Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11180 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“Think&Care”

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#10369 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Question for you.
You obviously believe that all life on earth has been traced back to a single speck of life. The first life form that self started in a very hostile environment ( of course it was not hostile to the first life form in fact it was perfect ) now science claims the earth is 4.7 billion years old.
And given that amount of time through natural selection we have all the live we see today plus all the the life that has gone extinct through natural selection.
Yet in 4.7 billion years a second life form never spontaneous started like the first life form. All life can be traced back to this first life form. All life has this DNA all put together the same way.
Actually, that is NOT what the science says. It says that all life that exists *today* is descended from one line of the original organisms. There may well have been several different lines of life at the beginning, but all but one has died off.
No second alien type of life form in 4.7 billion years. Only once did this happen why not a second time. After all things on earth just got better and better for life (as we know it Jim) yet the Goo Pool never produced a second life form.
Why?
The other lines died off. What we see today is from one line (or, perhaps, more that merged--we don't know the genetics of early life).
Why is all life related on earth and not a second life form, so to say a second blood line from a second original life form?
Why is that?
Do the math either life is not that special
And we should have by now seen a second very alien type of life. Or life is very very special and to think all this came from one speck of life is ludicrous.
My *guess is that life is fairly common in the universe, but I don't know that. Multi-cellular life is probably much less common (given the time it took on earth to develop).

“Think&Care”

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#10370 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"probability is 1" if and only if it did happen. There is only evidence there is no proof so you cannot use 1. You failed. You were given your chance to prove your theory. Instead you jump to the conclusion that some guesses are fact. This is known as Bad science.
You appear to be a prominent member of that club.
The probability that the universe is expanding from a hot, dense state and that life has evolved are both well over 99.9999%. The details are less well established, but even those are being elucidated every day.

YOU are the one that claimed a probability calculation. What the assumptions are for that calculation, what the dependencies are, etc, are ALL not given. Instead, independence of variables *known* to be dependent is assumed and that alone disqualifies the calculation.

A *real* calculation of the probabilities is way beyond anything *anyone* can do simply because we do not know the parameter space relevant or what affects the location of our universe within that space.

“Think&Care”

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#10371 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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I have shown that you refuse to start at the beginning. Zero. You have no proof for you to jump to a 1:1. There is no proof of the Big Bang only supporting evidence hence your still at zero.
Absolute proof is unavailable in the real world. It is restricted to mathematics. Bu tthe evidence supporting the Big Bang is such that we *know* that the universe has expanded from a hot, dense state. So the Big Bang is true.
There is no proof and no evidence of spontaneous life, again you're still at zero.

[QUOTE]There is no proof of the theory of evolution. Again you're still at zero.
Life has changed over time. That alone shows evolution has happened. The particular mechanisms are still being discussed, but the fact is that species change over time.
Now what was it that gets you off the zero?
Actual evidence in the real world.
http://www.reasons.org/article s/articles/fulfilled-prophecy- evidence-for-the-reliability-o f-the-bible
"Hence, the probability of chance fulfillment for this prophecy is 1 in 5000 x 10 x 2, which is 1 in 100,000, or 1 in 105."
Except, of course, that there were no unambiguous prophesies made ahead of time.
KJV

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#10372 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Well, evidence is better than no evidence. We have evidence, you have none. We're still way ahead of you.
Lies again

We have evidence.
KJV

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#10373 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>The "odds?" Probability demonstrates no such thing.
Wrong.
KJV

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#10374 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>You like to skip steps in everything, this particular time it's actually another of your strawmen. I said the chemicals required for the formations of protocells, the ones that can become life according to our understanding of it, are consumed by modern life forms. Thus, the chemicals themselves are consumed before forming any protocells. No protocells, no life.
No you were just caught in another lie
KJV

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#10375 Jan 5, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>Here we are.
I say God made you zip your back to zero.

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#10376 Jan 5, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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How's that computer working?
Computers, just like other things made by man, are imperfect like man. They constantly have to be updated and maintained. Many, like the theory of evolution, are obsolete and useless today.
KJV

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#10377 Jan 5, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>I am undaunted, therefore, it was wholly ineffective.
Wrong

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#10378 Jan 5, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Why would I go and read the previous post of a massive tit like you that refuses to check his own posts?
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By all means, read whatever you choose, and act like an immature child anytime you feel like it.

Lie down on the floor and scream.
KJV

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#10379 Jan 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Each and every one of those things *does* change.
Duh!

And what happens on earth when it happens?

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#10380 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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You apparently had trouble in school.
You see the question was not "is there a universe and is there life".
The question was how did the universes get here. You have NO proof of the Big Bang only evidence so you cannot start with 1 you must start with zero here.
Spontaneous life, no proof no evidence you must use zero here also
By his own admission, Hedonist was a theology school dropout (or reject, I forget which) from 40 years ago, lol.

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#10381 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"never changing is always a bad thing"
You better hope the the Sun doesn't change or the orbit of the Earth doesn't change. Or the angle of the axis of the earth would not change. Or the Ocean Waters Salinity. I could go on but I believe I have made my Point that KK's statement was ludicrous.
No KK somethings are much better left unchanged.
Amen brother!

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#10382 Jan 5, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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You've really been suckered into believing this ju-ju, haven't you?
It amazes me that you're so informed about Noah, yet you didn't read the rest of the Old Testament.

No wonder you don't believe in God, you don't know anything about the Bible or God.

Psalms 90:4

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#10383 Jan 5, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I merely asked a simple question and it has sent you theists into a rage. You up till now have failed miserably to even muster a basic answer.
Your temper tantrum about demanding is a projection. Plus you Christholes always want to storm the atheism forum with your off topic spam about abiogenesis, evolution and the Big Bang not to mention really bizarre spam ( goth chick costume jewelry!) lol yet when we ask a simple question you go ballistic? Sorry that's not how it works.
You can either answer the question or not. And this question actually deals with atheism/theism.
Why should anyone accept god as anything more than a product of someone's vivid imagination?
Inability to answer this should make any theist honestly question their faith for the bible says always be prepared to answer any question asked of you. This is a biblical command.
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Are you going ballistic?

It sounds like it to me.

Well, bless your heart. Some days are like that, I guess.

I sometimes skip your posts, sometimes skim them, but they never have any gems of wisdom, so I don't even remember what question you're writing about, lol.

I notice your worried about people obeying Biblical commands, so when are you going to start obeying them?

And what verse in the Bible tells me I have to answer every post on topix, lol?

I could simply post Bible verses and never answer any post. That would be interesting.

Do you realize that I have a life outside of this forum? I don't have the time nor inclination to read every single post.

I don't ask everyone to read all my posts, nor do I care if they do or they don't. They can read them or skip them, it's no skin off my rump, lol.

In fact, I am completely skipping pages 498 - 499 tonight, and however many posts are on page 500 so far, simply because I don't care to cover that much material just because it's there.

Got that?

Good.

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#10384 Jan 5, 2013
Stalin imprisoned church leaders; churches closed down.

Neighbors reported violators and they were sent to the gulag.

When Stalin was in power, only party members were safe.

That's what atheists do.....

http://www.johndclare.net/Basics_Russia.htm

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#10385 Jan 5, 2013
Why did Josef Stalin close the churches in Russia?

Because he was an atheist dictator who saw believers as a threat to his power.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_Stalin_clos... .

Stalin is probably the greatest example of dictating beliefs EVER.

He closed over 48,000 churches in Russia.

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#10386 Jan 5, 2013
Richard Dawkins is much like Stalin.

Note the similarities in the included link.

Dawkins tried to have the Pope arrested when he went to Britain.

[This is dictating beliefs.]

Dawkins isn't a seeker of truth, he seeks to dictate and destroy all who would oppose him.

Atheists don't like my posts against science, but they should read how Dawkins blasts and raves against Einstein, one of our most famous scientists of all time.

Dawkins is the Messiah for atheists.

There is much more to know about Dawkins here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rory-fitzgerald...

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“There is no Truth in Faith”

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#10387 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Lies again
We have evidence.
You have made up evidence. This is not the same as real evidence.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

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#10388 Jan 5, 2013
derek4 wrote:
Why did Josef Stalin close the churches in Russia?
Because he was an atheist dictator who saw believers as a threat to his power.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_Stalin_clos... .
Stalin is probably the greatest example of dictating beliefs EVER.
He closed over 48,000 churches in Russia.
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This is a Christian lie. Stalin closed churches because he saw them as a threat to his communist rule. It had nothing to do with atheism.

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