Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11178 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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KJV

United States

#10329 Jan 5, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Puppet boy can't remember anything as his Pi argument about the bible and Pi is nothing it's been debunked yet it's all he has so he keeps swing away with it. Kind of sad.

"The Bible and the Value of "PI"

Does the Bible contain a mathematical error? Not at all!

Biblical Value of Pi

1.0471698, which multiplied by 3 is pi. "1047" in the Old Testament lexicon can be transliterated as "pi." Hence, "house of pi." Indeed, truth is stranger than fiction.
Solomon and the Molten Sea

In describing the temple that King Solomon built for the King of Kings, several articles of furniture are described. One of these pieces is “a molten sea.” II Chronicles 4:2 reads thus,“Also he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.” A supposed discrepancy has arisen from this passage concerning the mathematical accuracy of the Bible. The value of π(pi) is known to be equal to the circumference of a circle divided by its diameter,

The a fore mentioned scripture states that the molten sea was “ten cubits from brim to brim” and “a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about;” thus, its diameter was 10 cubits, and its circumference 30 cubits. Dividing this circumference of 30 by a diameter of 10 gives a value of exactly 3. This is where the questions arise. It is commonly known that the value of π is approximately 3.14159265358979. In fact, this value has been proven so exactly, that its value is known to hundreds of thousands of digits.

Why then does the Bible appear to give the value of π to be 3? A diameter of 10 cubits should yield a circle having a circumference of more that 31.4 cubits--not 30 cubits. Is the Bible just rounding things off? Are the Biblical values just approximate and not really exact? If we see here that the scripture is not exact, what otherpassages also contain words that cannot be received with complete accuracy?

1 Kings 7:26 It [the above mentioned metal pool] was a handbreadth in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup,like a lily blossom. It held two thousand baths.

If the diameter of this bowl was 10 cubits, then the circumference should have been 31.415926 cubits, and not just 30 cubits! Any math student will tell you that the circumference of a circle is found by taking the diameter times Pi (3.14159265358979...), is commonly approximated by 22/7 if great accuracy is not needed. Is this an error? Think again. The answer is so simple!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10331 Jan 5, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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If it were possible, I'm sure she and I would chip in to charter a bus to take you back to the Dark Ages where religion ruled supreme.
I'd pitch in for sending them all back there, including the conspiracy nuts that think this era is somehow worse than the past eras. They can all die of gangrene and foot rot while the rest of us enjoy the comforts of modern science.
KJV

United States

#10332 Jan 5, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Come back when you know what Pi is and that a circle is not a sphere.
Wishing I would leave?
Why is that? Because I keep debunking your third grade arguments against the Bible?

Go back to your comic books, hear you're almost done with Scooby doobie doo! NN
KJV

United States

#10333 Jan 5, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Here's one of those ways...

"Traces of ancient viruses which infected our ancestors millions of years ago are more widespread in us than previously thought."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment...

"One of the viruses was found to have invaded the genome of a common ancestor around 100 million years ago with its remnants discovered in almost every mammal in the study.

Another infected an early primate with the result that it was found in apes, humans and other primates as well."
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
endogenous retroviruses do not rely on the fossil record and they also prove evolution is a fact. There are 29 different ways to prove evolution is a fact.
Your God ... not so much."

FACT evolutions is not a fact!
Idiots and liars listed above!

Dolts!
KJV

United States

#10334 Jan 5, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Atheism is growing in the USA, you're a bit behind us in Europe but you will catch up.

If you know anything about China you'll know how superstitious they are and that nothing (not even religious structures) will be built without checking that the spirits are happy.

No church, mosque or temple is built without consulting the local feng shui man who checks the geomancy is right.

Any Christian movement in China will be inscrutably monitored by the government. We've already seen them come down hard on Christians who believed the world was ending. Christians in China will need to toe the party line.

In other words, Christianity in China will be on Chinese terms - you do know that bishops are appointed by the CCP and not by the Vatican.

Moreover, unlike us western countries which are nation states, China is a civilisation state with unbroken links and traditions going back thousands of years.

One of those traditions which Christianity can never hope to replace is the Chinese practice of ancestor worship. If Christianity hopes to survive in China then it will have to prostitute itself by making compromises that appeal to the Chinese and thus becoming a different Christianity to the one you're familiar with.

In any event, Christianity will always be viewed as a western movement and will never reach the level of acceptance that it achieved in Europe and America.
2.3% what a joke your religion is!

You claim all humans are born atheist.
Ok that means at one time you had 100% of the human population. The current percentage of the world population is at 2.3%.

That means that 97.7% of your congregation has left your faith!!

WTF is wrong with you guys?
97.7%!!!!!!!
Do you realize how many people that is?

Man you're not just losing them at that rate there running from you! LMFAO
KJV

United States

#10335 Jan 5, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Atheism is growing in the USA, you're a bit behind us in Europe but you will catch up.

If you know anything about China you'll know how superstitious they are and that nothing (not even religious structures) will be built without checking that the spirits are happy.

No church, mosque or temple is built without consulting the local feng shui man who checks the geomancy is right.

Any Christian movement in China will be inscrutably monitored by the government. We've already seen them come down hard on Christians who believed the world was ending. Christians in China will need to toe the party line.

In other words, Christianity in China will be on Chinese terms - you do know that bishops are appointed by the CCP and not by the Vatican.

Moreover, unlike us western countries which are nation states, China is a civilisation state with unbroken links and traditions going back thousands of years.

One of those traditions which Christianity can never hope to replace is the Chinese practice of ancestor worship. If Christianity hopes to survive in China then it will have to prostitute itself by making compromises that appeal to the Chinese and thus becoming a different Christianity to the one you're familiar with.

In any event, Christianity will always be viewed as a western movement and will never reach the level of acceptance that it achieved in Europe and America.
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The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, non-religious 9.42%, atheists 2.04%."

Wow. A whole 2.04% you guys are kicking some ass. LOL
KJV

United States

#10337 Jan 5, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Atheism is growing in the USA, you're a bit behind us in Europe but you will catch up.

If you know anything about China you'll know how superstitious they are and that nothing (not even religious structures) will be built without checking that the spirits are happy.

No church, mosque or temple is built without consulting the local feng shui man who checks the geomancy is right.

Any Christian movement in China will be inscrutably monitored by the government. We've already seen them come down hard on Christians who believed the world was ending. Christians in China will need to toe the party line.

In other words, Christianity in China will be on Chinese terms - you do know that bishops are appointed by the CCP and not by the Vatican.

Moreover, unlike us western countries which are nation states, China is a civilisation state with unbroken links and traditions going back thousands of years.

One of those traditions which Christianity can never hope to replace is the Chinese practice of ancestor worship. If Christianity hopes to survive in China then it will have to prostitute itself by making compromises that appeal to the Chinese and thus becoming a different Christianity to the one you're familiar with.

In any event, Christianity will always be viewed as a western movement and will never reach the level of acceptance that it achieved in Europe and America.
"A survey published in the 2010 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2010 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."

Wikipedia:

"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"

Wikipedia :

"2011 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"

Wikipedia :

"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"

"In 2011, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."

"Global atheism is shrinking and demographic changes in the United States and the world are expected to shrink the influence of American secularism.
In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.
In 2011, the American Spectator declared concerning research published in the International Bulletin of

Missionary Research:
The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding."
KJV

United States

#10338 Jan 5, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>Well, maybe YOU will be the one to finally unite quantum mechanics and gravity.

It must be somewhere in that perfect bible of yours, since the book is perfect.

Maybe the GUT is really GOD, right?

That would be such a useful explanation. And it's so simple.

Right?
Batty are you having a bad day?
Not much of a post was it?

FYI, I'm not working on those failed science theory's. you keep up the good work with your science that is wrong more then it's right.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10339 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
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The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, non-religious 9.42%, atheists 2.04%."
Wow. A whole 2.04% you guys are kicking some ass. LOL
Non-religious counts as well, because god is a religious belief. Not to mention many Buddhists are also atheists, as are many "other" religions. But meh, appeal to popularity only shows desperation. The majority of the population is wrong more often than correct, this has been demonstrated many times in history and has yet to be shown to be incorrect.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#10340 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
endogenous retroviruses do not rely on the fossil record and they also prove evolution is a fact. There are 29 different ways to prove evolution is a fact.
Your God ... not so much."
FACT evolutions is not a fact!
Idiots and liars listed above!
Dolts!
REALLY1?! THAT is the very BEST you can do?

Not very impressive.
KJV

United States

#10341 Jan 5, 2013
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, you wanted a response? Why?

Then you got real demanding, as though you are dictating to other posters to answer you; dictating your beliefs, lol.

Most of us don't have to get input from other people in order to state our own beliefs.

You're as insecure as oogah boogah, lol.
oogah boogah / the serpent was right / Septic / bobby

And more.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10342 Jan 5, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
REALLY1?! THAT is the very BEST you can do?
Not very impressive.
You see, they cannot provide evidence to support their religious insanity, so they must project this lack of evidence onto anything that opposes their mythology. Notice how they never once even tried to show any solid evidence but whenever asked for it they always turn it back to "evolution is a lie?" When the position is indefensible, the common tactic of the believer is to deflect.
KJV

United States

#10343 Jan 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<,
I have shown that you refuse to start at the beginning. Zero. You have no proof for you to jump to a 1:1. There is no proof of the Big Bang only supporting evidence hence your still at zero.
There is no proof and no evidence of spontaneous life, again you're still at zero.
There is no proof of the theory of evolution. Again you're still at zero.

Now what was it that gets you off the zero?

http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulf...

"Hence, the probability of chance fulfillment for this prophecy is 1 in 5000 x 10 x 2, which is 1 in 100,000, or 1 in 105."
KJV

United States

#10344 Jan 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Your book can't even get right the 'prophesy' at the heart of its myth: that Jesus was born of a virgin. The *original*'prophesy' did not mention a virgin, but only a 'young woman'. Furthermore, taken in context, that 'prophesy' was predicting the birth of the prophet's own son.

Show *any* actual prophesy that is unambiguous, precise and was made before the events it prophesied. You can't show one. All are vague 'feet of clay' prophesies that can be twisted for any events you wish or were made after the fact and written as if they happened before.
Thank you but I must inform you I did not write the Bible.
I sense frustration on your part. What you don't like being held to the facts?
You would love to jump science to change their theory's to facts so you can prove me wrong. To bad they are stuck at theory's because they are not facts.
KJV

United States

#10345 Jan 5, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Here's that post of mine you're referring to. It was a good one - thanks for giving me an opportunity to share it with you again.

Khatru wrote, "
Christianity has a habit of getting into bed with whoever is in power. Witness it's migration over the centuries from Rome through Europe and then on to America.

Now the world's centre of gravity has moved to Beijing and Christianity will soon be abandoning America and trying to muscle in on China. That will be its undoing as the vast majority of Chinese view Christianity as a tool of the west. The Chinese ancestor religion is deeply established and the Chinese love their culture and history in ways that we in the west struggle to grasp.

The future belongs to the Chinese and the world they will shape will be decidedly different from the one that's been shaped by western influences and that includes Christianity.
"

By the way, in the unlikely event of me being wrong, I'm the first to admit it. See my previous post for an example of that.
"in the unlikely event of me being wrong, I'm the first to admit it. "

Then your post should all be posted with a retraction. Oh well another atheist lie.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#10346 Jan 5, 2013
Still unable to answer the question? Yet your own bible demands you always be prepared to answer this.

So yet again cowardly half wit.

Why should anyone accept god as anything more than the product of someone's vivid imagination?
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
oogah boogah / the serpent was right / Septic / bobby
And more.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#10347 Jan 5, 2013
I love how that simple question makes the godbots cringe in fear and scamper away refusing to answer it even though their own bible demands they answer this.

Lol!
KJV

United States

#10348 Jan 5, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>Right, it is so improbable that nature did it over billions of years with natural processes and natural laws, that it must be that "Gawd dunnit with MAGIC" ... yah uh huh! that's logical <NOT!>
Mathematically you're correct.
It could not have happened the way science claims. The odds pretty much proving the bible is the correct answer.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10349 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
I have shown that you refuse to start at the beginning. Zero. You have no proof for you to jump to a 1:1. There is no proof of the Big Bang only supporting evidence hence your still at zero.
There is no proof and no evidence of spontaneous life, again you're still at zero.
There is no proof of the theory of evolution. Again you're still at zero.
Now what was it that gets you off the zero?
http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulf...
"Hence, the probability of chance fulfillment for this prophecy is 1 in 5000 x 10 x 2, which is 1 in 100,000, or 1 in 105."
Well, evidence is better than no evidence. We have evidence, you have none. We're still way ahead of you.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10350 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Mathematically you're correct.
It could not have happened the way science claims. The odds pretty much proving the bible is the correct answer.
The "odds?" Probability demonstrates no such thing.

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