Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10310 Jan 5, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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So you don't know when it was "added" ?
It wasn't added by “later writers”- just confirmed by "later writers".
From the Old Testament, Psalms 90:4
You've really been suckered into believing this ju-ju, haven't you?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10311 Jan 5, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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Actually, you were right about the brotherly love among Christians, and I appreciate you recognizing it.
That's something atheists don't have. Be sure to read my other post about S.E. Cupp which confirms it, lol.
Really?

I don't believe you, Dim.

I didn't see any helping hands extended to KJV to get him out of that hole he dug for himself.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10312 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Read the bible. I know you claim you have but you must have missed like all of it.
Note: you cannot read type print with your eyes closed.
What's the point?

After all, you say that "they" amend the Bible whenever a new document is found.
KJV

United States

#10313 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Again, show these "prophecies" that occurred after the fact, with actual evidence of them and not just assertions, also not including the forced one that people made happen simply because they wanted to justify it. You keep claiming these exist, yet you never provide more than "it says here" ... which is nothing more than an assertion.

As to your first point, no, we're here, life had to come from non-life somehow. Science looks for a way it could have happened, you ignore the entire situation with a non-answer. Most of us would rather have an answer than ignore it using a non-answer as a shield from the facts.
I'm no longer playing that game KK.
I am supposable talking with intelligent well read atheist that all claim to know the Bible better then the Christians on theses threads. So I don't need to show you stuff on the Bible, you already know what I'm talking about or you're a lier and you are not knowledgable at all about the Bible and haven't a clue how to use Google.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#10314 Jan 5, 2013
I merely asked a simple question and it has sent you theists into a rage. You up till now have failed miserably to even muster a basic answer.

Your temper tantrum about demanding is a projection. Plus you Christholes always want to storm the atheism forum with your off topic spam about abiogenesis, evolution and the Big Bang not to mention really bizarre spam ( goth chick costume jewelry!) lol yet when we ask a simple question you go ballistic? Sorry that's not how it works.

You can either answer the question or not. And this question actually deals with atheism/theism.

Why should anyone accept god as anything more than a product of someone's vivid imagination?

Inability to answer this should make any theist honestly question their faith for the bible says always be prepared to answer any question asked of you. This is a biblical command.
derek4 wrote:
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Oh, you wanted a response? Why?
Then you got real demanding, as though you are dictating to other posters to answer you; dictating your beliefs, lol.
Most of us don't have to get input from other people in order to state our own beliefs.
You're as insecure as oogah boogah, lol.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10315 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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You apparently had trouble in school.
You see the question was not "is there a universe and is there life".
The question was how did the universes get here. You have NO proof of the Big Bang only evidence so you cannot start with 1 you must start with zero here.
Spontaneous life, no proof no evidence you must use zero here also
No, I don't have to start with zero here, that's just you lack of understanding.

But you said to use mathematical probability. Based on probability theory there is a 100% chance that life will exist in every universe and on every planet where it is possible for life to exist.

Moving the goal post doesn't change the fact that you are wrong and you do not understand probability theory.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#10316 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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I'm no longer playing that game KK.
I am supposable talking with intelligent well read atheist that all claim to know the Bible better then the Christians on theses threads. So I don't need to show you stuff on the Bible, you already know what I'm talking about or you're a lier and you are not knowledgable at all about the Bible and haven't a clue how to use Google.
Most Christians don't even know there was a First Council of Nicaea. I suppose most assume the bible was delivered directly from God via angels or some such a thing.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10317 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"probability is 1" if and only if it did happen. There is only evidence there is no proof so you cannot use 1. You failed. You were given your chance to prove your theory. Instead you jump to the conclusion that some guesses are fact. This is known as Bad science.
You appear to be a prominent member of that club.
And you still don't have a clue about probability calculations.

Please explain your understanding of how probability theory supports your position in any way, I could use a good laugh.

The truth is, probability theory is NOT applicable. It makes absolutely no sense to try and use probability, combination, permutation, standard deviation, sigma, not any other aspect of probability theory. But you brought it up. We're all just laughing at you about it.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10318 Jan 5, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Most Christians don't even know there was a First Council of Nicaea. I suppose most assume the bible was delivered directly from God via angels or some such a thing.
Yep. It's a shame the "son of god" never learned how to write.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10319 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Read the bible. I know you claim you have but you must have missed like all of it.
Note: you cannot read type print with your eyes closed.
I studied it when I was young, everything in there was stated after the fact. End of story.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10320 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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I'm no longer playing that game KK.
I am supposable talking with intelligent well read atheist that all claim to know the Bible better then the Christians on theses threads. So I don't need to show you stuff on the Bible, you already know what I'm talking about or you're a lier and you are not knowledgable at all about the Bible and haven't a clue how to use Google.
Yet we can find references to support everything we say. Just because you deny the stuff you don't like, doesn't make us wrong.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#10321 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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You apparently had trouble in school.
You see the question was not "is there a universe and is there life".
The question was how did the universes get here. You have NO proof of the Big Bang only evidence so you cannot start with 1 you must start with zero here.
Spontaneous life, no proof no evidence you must use zero here also
Translation:-

"I am too f.cking stupid to understand anything about science or math therefor anything based on those subjects is wrong.

BTW That is called the arrogance of ignorance.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10322 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"never changing is always a bad thing"
You better hope the the Sun doesn't change or the orbit of the Earth doesn't change. Or the angle of the axis of the earth would not change. Or the Ocean Waters Salinity. I could go on but I believe I have made my Point that KK's statement was ludicrous.
No KK somethings are much better left unchanged.
It was a dying sun that made our planet possible. Our sun, Sol, is constantly changing, it's cooking elements, creating heavier ones. Oceanic salinity changes quite a bit. The axis of the Earth is always changing. Our weather changes, our climate changes, the stars' positions change. Our moon is receding from the Earth, tides are changing, tides are change. We survive in spite of these changes, that's why our species didn't die off before learning to refine our skills.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10323 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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It was a dying sun that made our planet possible. Our sun, Sol, is constantly changing, it's cooking elements, creating heavier ones. Oceanic salinity changes quite a bit. The axis of the Earth is always changing. Our weather changes, our climate changes, the stars' positions change. Our moon is receding from the Earth, tides are changing, tides are change. We survive in spite of these changes, that's why our species didn't die off before learning to refine our skills.
The idea that the Earth wobbles is beyond the ability of the religulous to grasp.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10324 Jan 5, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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The idea that the Earth wobbles is beyond the ability of the religulous to grasp.
I'm sorry, I'll get the mop.
KJV

United States

#10325 Jan 5, 2013
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
<quoted text>So you are saying youtube contains the valuable scientific findings of credible scientists while Foreign Policy Magazine's list top global thinkers are brainwashed? Brilliant.
LOL
It does get better with her!
That's pretty much how they handle
Any proof of their science failures.
No matter what it is Theist are nuts and atheist rule supreme. LOL
Well heck they don't even know what there religion is. What exactly atheism means. Now why they want the definition of Agnostic to be used for the word atheist you got me. I guess they just don't like the true definition of their faith (must look bad).

Well enjoy their come backs it's more like comedy night then a real discussion.
KJV

United States

#10326 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, I am, let's compare:

Foreign Policy is about foreign affairs ... it's a rag about gossip and policies.

YouTube contains lectures from the greates universities, Berkeley is my personal favorite, and vlogs from many scientists, yes, actual scientists, they have some interesting user names too. Documentaries from some of the best sources, not just cable TV crab either. As well as sponsored scientific events, music by geeks about science, footage of actual experiments, and some wonderful, well studied, people.

I think YouTube wins hands down, if you don't agree then you are insane. Pretty simple, no?
"if you don't agree then you are insane."
Typical atheist response.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#10327 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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LOL
It does get better with her!
That's pretty much how they handle
Any proof of their science failures.
No matter what it is Theist are nuts and atheist rule supreme. LOL
Well heck they don't even know what there religion is. What exactly atheism means. Now why they want the definition of Agnostic to be used for the word atheist you got me. I guess they just don't like the true definition of their faith (must look bad).
Well enjoy their come backs it's more like comedy night then a real discussion.
If it were possible, I'm sure she and I would chip in to charter a bus to take you back to the Dark Ages where religion ruled supreme.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10328 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"if you don't agree then you are insane."
Typical atheist response.
Funny, your bible says the same thing about itself.
KJV

United States

#10329 Jan 5, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Puppet boy can't remember anything as his Pi argument about the bible and Pi is nothing it's been debunked yet it's all he has so he keeps swing away with it. Kind of sad.

"The Bible and the Value of "PI"

Does the Bible contain a mathematical error? Not at all!

Biblical Value of Pi

1.0471698, which multiplied by 3 is pi. "1047" in the Old Testament lexicon can be transliterated as "pi." Hence, "house of pi." Indeed, truth is stranger than fiction.
Solomon and the Molten Sea

In describing the temple that King Solomon built for the King of Kings, several articles of furniture are described. One of these pieces is “a molten sea.” II Chronicles 4:2 reads thus,“Also he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.” A supposed discrepancy has arisen from this passage concerning the mathematical accuracy of the Bible. The value of π(pi) is known to be equal to the circumference of a circle divided by its diameter,

The a fore mentioned scripture states that the molten sea was “ten cubits from brim to brim” and “a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about;” thus, its diameter was 10 cubits, and its circumference 30 cubits. Dividing this circumference of 30 by a diameter of 10 gives a value of exactly 3. This is where the questions arise. It is commonly known that the value of π is approximately 3.14159265358979. In fact, this value has been proven so exactly, that its value is known to hundreds of thousands of digits.

Why then does the Bible appear to give the value of π to be 3? A diameter of 10 cubits should yield a circle having a circumference of more that 31.4 cubits--not 30 cubits. Is the Bible just rounding things off? Are the Biblical values just approximate and not really exact? If we see here that the scripture is not exact, what otherpassages also contain words that cannot be received with complete accuracy?

1 Kings 7:26 It [the above mentioned metal pool] was a handbreadth in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup,like a lily blossom. It held two thousand baths.

If the diameter of this bowl was 10 cubits, then the circumference should have been 31.415926 cubits, and not just 30 cubits! Any math student will tell you that the circumference of a circle is found by taking the diameter times Pi (3.14159265358979...), is commonly approximated by 22/7 if great accuracy is not needed. Is this an error? Think again. The answer is so simple!

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