Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11176 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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#10270 Jan 4, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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I had never thought of it quite that way. Is China powered by Christians?
I guess atheism isn't going to grow much in the United States since no atheist will be in power here - not for many years, at least.
Atheism is growing in the USA, you're a bit behind us in Europe but you will catch up.

If you know anything about China you'll know how superstitious they are and that nothing (not even religious structures) will be built without checking that the spirits are happy.

No church, mosque or temple is built without consulting the local feng shui man who checks the geomancy is right.

Any Christian movement in China will be inscrutably monitored by the government. We've already seen them come down hard on Christians who believed the world was ending. Christians in China will need to toe the party line.

In other words, Christianity in China will be on Chinese terms - you do know that bishops are appointed by the CCP and not by the Vatican.

Moreover, unlike us western countries which are nation states, China is a civilisation state with unbroken links and traditions going back thousands of years.

One of those traditions which Christianity can never hope to replace is the Chinese practice of ancestor worship. If Christianity hopes to survive in China then it will have to prostitute itself by making compromises that appeal to the Chinese and thus becoming a different Christianity to the one you're familiar with.

In any event, Christianity will always be viewed as a western movement and will never reach the level of acceptance that it achieved in Europe and America.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#10271 Jan 5, 2013
Anything in there about Joseph Smith's several wives maybe the 14 year old he threatened her parents with eternal damnation if they didn't give her to him?

Regardless the book of moron is laughed at even by most theists. Horses didn't exist in America at that time and no artifacts of these so called tribes of Israel have ever been found. Some funny hoaxes though :))
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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Read Alma Chapter 30 posted here: http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/30.44...
Let me know what you think. When I read this thread, I get the impression that its all summed up in this chapter.(Alma Chapter 30 records the conversation between an atheist and a theist in the Americas some time before the birth of Christ.)

Since: Mar 11

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#10272 Jan 5, 2013
Flat square and rests on top of pillars lol :)

I am still waiting for one of them to answer my question but up till now they are stumped.

Why should anyone believe that god is anything more than the product of someone's vivid imagination?

Watch them scatter or snarl and insult! But what they can't do is answer that question.
Khatru wrote:
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According to the "no science" of the Bible, the earth is flat.
Notice how similar the word "nonsense" is to "no science"

“I see quantum effects”

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#10273 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>Quantum Mechanics fails as a theory.

From Nova:

"For decades, every attempt to describe the force of gravity in the same language as the other forces—the language of quantum mechanics—has met with disaster

S. JAMES GATES, JR.: You try to put those two pieces of mathematics together, they do not coexist peacefully.

S. JAMES GATES, JR.: The laws of nature are supposed to apply everywhere. So if Einstein's laws are supposed to apply everywhere, and the laws of quantum mechanics are supposed to apply everywhere, well you can't have two separate everywheres.

RIGHT SIDE BRIAN GREENE: In the years since, physics split into two separate camps: one that uses general relativity to study big and heavy objects, things like stars, galaxies and the universe as a whole...

LEFT SIDE BRIAN GREENE:...and another that uses quantum mechanics to study the tiniest of objects, like atoms and particles. This has been kind of like having two families that just cannot get along and never talk to each other...

LEFT SIDE BRIAN GREENE: There just seemed to be no way to combine quantum mechanics...

RIGHT SIDE BRIAN GREENE:...and general relativity in a single theory that could describe the universe on all scales.

So here's the question: if you're trying to figure out what happens in the depths of a black hole, where an entire star is crushed to a tiny speck, do you use general relativity because the star is incredibly heavy or quantum mechanics because it's incredibly tiny?

Well, that's the problem. Since the center of a black hole is both tiny and heavy, you can't avoid using both theories at the same time. And when we try to put the two theories together in the realm of black holes, they conflict. It breaks down. They give nonsensical predictions. And the universe is not nonsensical; it's got to make sense.
Well, maybe YOU will be the one to finally unite quantum mechanics and gravity.

It must be somewhere in that perfect bible of yours, since the book is perfect.

Maybe the GUT is really GOD, right?

That would be such a useful explanation. And it's so simple.

Right?

“I see quantum effects”

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#10274 Jan 5, 2013
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>Right.

Post something good about science, and they'll love it without question. Post something negative, no matter what the source, and they do one of 2 things: no answer, or they dig and scratch to find fault. If they can't find fault, they manufacture something irrelevant to post. I think there's an atheist school they all go to that teaches them phony tactics like that

LOL
Still using that computer, I see.

“I see quantum effects”

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#10275 Jan 5, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>You've been told about the "Grand Unification Problem" about a half dozen different ways that I know of, probably a lot more.

What you are doing is known as the "God of the Gaps". If Science can not currently explain it, then "God dunnit!!"

This was stupid in the Dark Ages when we didn't understand what caused the Black Plague. Now we do, and it was not "God's wrath".

The "God of the Gaps" gets smaller with every scientific discovery.

You are worshiping a shrinking god that you cannot even prove exists.
God now fits into a singularity.

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#10276 Jan 5, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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You have yet to point out anything in my proof that was not correct.
Try to improve your self confidence. You shouldn't beg for constant confirmation from other posters. When you do that, you demean yourself.

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#10277 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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never changing is always a bad thing.
Yes, thanks for demonstrating that to us. Thanks for staying the same - predictably wrong, lol.

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#10278 Jan 5, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I was just pointing out the flaw in your bandwagon logical fallacy argument. Point goes to me seeing as how you had no response. Easy enough.
Ok now all the theists are running scared from this question let's see if you can do any better.
Why should anyone accept god as anything other than the product of someone's vivid imagination?
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Oh, you wanted a response? Why?

Then you got real demanding, as though you are dictating to other posters to answer you; dictating your beliefs, lol.

Most of us don't have to get input from other people in order to state our own beliefs.

You're as insecure as oogah boogah, lol.

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#10279 Jan 5, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Added by later writers to try and explain away the failed prophecies of Jesus.
Anyway, nice to know that you don't believe it took your god six days to create the world.
What year was it added? 1954?

Where did I say God created the world in 6 literal days?

Who knows if it was 6 (24 hour) days or 6000 years? It doesn't matter to me.

LOL

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#10280 Jan 5, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Given KJV's failure to address his own contradictions, I thought I'd see if you were prepared to help him out.
You're not.
Some buddy you are.
Why do atheists always have to hold each other up – fight battles for each other?

KJV doesn't need me to “go to bat” for him.

BUT: I did explain to you that there are not new documents which change the Bible. In the past century, there have been new findings of old documents from the Bible period. I guess you failed to catch that, but since I'm used to you missing things, I'll forgive you, lol - just don't do it again.

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#10281 Jan 5, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Atheism is growing in the USA, you're a bit behind us in Europe but you will catch up.
If you know anything about China you'll know how superstitious they are and that nothing (not even religious structures) will be built without checking that the spirits are happy.
No church, mosque or temple is built without consulting the local feng shui man who checks the geomancy is right.
Any Christian movement in China will be inscrutably monitored by the government. We've already seen them come down hard on Christians who believed the world was ending. Christians in China will need to toe the party line.
In other words, Christianity in China will be on Chinese terms - you do know that bishops are appointed by the CCP and not by the Vatican.
Moreover, unlike us western countries which are nation states, China is a civilisation state with unbroken links and traditions going back thousands of years.
One of those traditions which Christianity can never hope to replace is the Chinese practice of ancestor worship. If Christianity hopes to survive in China then it will have to prostitute itself by making compromises that appeal to the Chinese and thus becoming a different Christianity to the one you're familiar with.
In any event, Christianity will always be viewed as a western movement and will never reach the level of acceptance that it achieved in Europe and America.
We need a link supporting your concluding statement, since it's already been proven false.

Your whole post is a great big mess; LMAO

As we have seen, Christianity is growing in China.

So you admit that your original statement was wrong where you indicated the growth of Christianity depended on who was in power in the government?

Thanks, Khatru. At least you kind of admit it when you're wrong.

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#10282 Jan 5, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Still using that computer, I see.
And you're still using your computer. At least we agree on one thing - we are both using a computer.

What good would your computer do you if God hadn't given you a brain?

the computer is a wonderful machine. It took years to develop by trained engineers, analysts, talent, and training from all walks of life, and all kinds of occupations to produce.

I'm thankful for it.

However, I'm so much more thankful that God created the human brain, which no computer could ever match.

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#10283 Jan 5, 2013
One of the most prominent evangelists in the world today says charges God deniers know they are wrong.

Ray Comfort explains that the reason atheists hate God so much is because they know he exists. There would be no reason to hate something imaginary.

Of course, many atheists will deny their hatred of God, but the hate that comes through in their comments proves otherwise.

http://www.wnd.com/2009/02/87777/

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#10284 Jan 5, 2013
This writer tells why he left atheism.

He came to recognize he was indoctrinated as a child.

That's probably why most atheist children leave the atheist faith when they become adults.

But the atheists and agnostics in this forum exemplify people who have never grown up.

http://www.doesgodexist.org/AboutClayton/Past...

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#10285 Jan 5, 2013
Just some thoughts.........Why are atheists in this forum wasting their valuable time supporting one anothers' meaningless posts? Do they think this will further their cause? The public at large doesn't even know about those wasted efforts.

Also, why do atheists have to “go to bat” for each other? They can't see how that makes it appear their individual posts are inferior and have to “backed up” by each other?

Then, at other times, atheists just rip each other to shreds, lol - fighting amongst themselves like angry little chickens.

Shouldn't they be helping each other out more in public, instead of tearing each other apart for the news to publish?

No – instead, they do what many other any self-destructive groups do – they fight among themselves, breaking down their own “movement” into little segments – many of them publicly renouncing their own - not supporting each other.

Take S.E. Cupp, for example. She's a self-loathing atheist that wouldn't even vote for an atheist, lol.

Why? One reason is because she recognizes that atheists don't belong in public office since they represent such an insignificant segment of society. In other words, they aren't representative of what the public wants or believes in.

The included link tells more about her views.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/atheist-s-e-c...

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“Think&Care”

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#10287 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Not going thru that every time someone wants to dispute the numbers. I have posted the numbers many times and no doubt I will again. But you really have no interest in the honest truth about these odds you're simply looking for a battle trying to shoot hole in the calculations.
You have presented numbers and I have shown how the calculations are wrong. You have not replied to my critiques.
Sense there is No proof of the Big Bang or spontaneous life or macro evolution.
On the contrary, there is plenty of proof of the Big Bang: a universe expanding from a very hot dense state. For example, here is an analysis of the WMAP data:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.5226

Feel free to criticize the details.

There is also plenty of proof that species change over time due to natural selection (the Theory of evolution). From fossils to genetic data, to biochemistry, the evidence ALL supports evolution.
Start with the odds of nothing exploding and creating everything we see today and billions of things we have not see or may never see.
Your lack of understanding of what the science says is not a criticism of that science. The vacuum state in theories of what happens prior to a Big Bang are NOT nothing.
Ok nothing is what we are all starting with. Take your ZERO and turn it into a for sure thing. You can't, I can't, math can't. Only God can. It really is that simple. But if you like, search the earlier postings by me or just google it and you'll see the odd of your way of creation.
Although you might now realize this, you are essentially arguing for a conservation law (or matter or energy), but the theory of the Big Bang is quite consistent with such conservation laws. In fact, the energy from gravitational curvature is negative and exactly balances that for ordinary matter and energy, so we actually have zero even today if you calculate correctly.
Now take a book that has 2500 Prophesies in it an start with prophesies number 1 coming true then take that and the odds of prophesies number 2 coming true. Now what are the odds that the same book predicted 2 prophesies and both came true to a tee.
Then keep adding the odds up until you have completed about 2000 prophesies calculations compounded. All from one book.
Only science books make clear, precise, testable predictions. Your Bible only makes vague and trivial prophesies dependent on interpretation. You lose.
What you wind up with is basically Zero chance if the Big Bang etc. creating what we have now to day.
And a very high probability of the Bible being accurate.
But that's just mathematics not science.
Have a nice day.
Again, no actual calculations here or even any discussion of assumptions to base such calculations upon.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10288 Jan 5, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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What year was it added? 1954?
Where did I say God created the world in 6 literal days?
Who knows if it was 6 (24 hour) days or 6000 years? It doesn't matter to me.
LOL
Who knows when it was added.

The Catholics put the Bible together to suit their purpose - your entire belief system is based on their agenda.

So you're not a Bible literalist. Neither is KJV.

“Think&Care”

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#10289 Jan 5, 2013
KJV wrote:
Now take a book that has 2500 Prophesies in it an start with prophesies number 1 coming true then take that and the odds of prophesies number 2 coming true. Now what are the odds that the same book predicted 2 prophesies and both came true to a tee.
Your book can't even get right the 'prophesy' at the heart of its myth: that Jesus was born of a virgin. The *original*'prophesy' did not mention a virgin, but only a 'young woman'. Furthermore, taken in context, that 'prophesy' was predicting the birth of the prophet's own son.

Show *any* actual prophesy that is unambiguous, precise and was made before the events it prophesied. You can't show one. All are vague 'feet of clay' prophesies that can be twisted for any events you wish or were made after the fact and written as if they happened before.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10290 Jan 5, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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Why do atheists always have to hold each other up – fight battles for each other?
KJV doesn't need me to “go to bat” for him.
BUT: I did explain to you that there are not new documents which change the Bible. In the past century, there have been new findings of old documents from the Bible period. I guess you failed to catch that, but since I'm used to you missing things, I'll forgive you, lol - just don't do it again.
And there was me thinking that you believers were full of brotherly love. I guess I was wrong.

Looks like you can learn a thing or two from Atheists.

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