Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11176 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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KJV

United States

#10228 Jan 4, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Lol

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what KJV, Dim, et al think.

They probably pat each other on the back in mutual admiration; knowing that they possess such discerning minds so as not to be fooled by the fossil trail or the numerous other pieces of evidence that Jehovah has used to trick men of reason into accepting.
Adam wrote:
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I dont know how KJV can account for the fossil record. Maybe Yahweh put those fossils in the ground to deliberate mislead us :)

http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scien...

"Contrary to popular belief, the dating of fossils is very subjective and arbitrary. Sometimes fossil dating is really a circular reasoning:

The ages of rocks are used to date fossils
The ages of fossils are used to date rocks.
Here is a quote from a peer reviewed science journal saying just that:

“The procession of life was never witnessed, it is inferred. The vertical sequence of fossils is thought to represent a process because the enclosing rocks are interpreted as a process. The rocks do date the fossils, but the fossils date the rocks more accurately. Stratigraphy cannot avoid this kind of reasoning, if it insists on using only temporal concepts, because circularity is inherent in the derivation of time scales.”(O’Rourke, J.E.,“Pragmatism Versus Materialism in Stratigraphy,” American Journal of Science, vol. 276, 1976, p. 53)(emphasis mine)

When a date is assigned to a fossil, it is also very important to pick the “correct” date. There are dates that are already accepted by evolutionists, and the date of a new fossil has to fit so as to not disrupt what has already been decided."

http://x-evolutionist.com/the-fossil-record-e...

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#10229 Jan 4, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Yes, I do. Please point out where you think the logic is flawed.
It's flawed because you simply posted some observations which you believe prove there is no God.

While it is certainly your right to post your observations and opinions, and you know we always enjoy those – but they are not proof of anything. We don't even know who you are, so you're not important to us.

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#10230 Jan 4, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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There isn't time to wait 40 years?
ROFLMAO!!!!
How many untold millions of lives have been damaged waiting nearly 2000 years for Jesus No Show?
Even though I know you are eager to see Jesus, you're going to have to constrain your impatience.

From the Bible:

2 Peter, chapter 3, verse 8

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

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#10231 Jan 4, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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No, it really isn't. You're false statement is outdated.
I've posted resources on that; available for re-posting if you need to see them - let me know, lol.
Yes, it really is an established fact!! http://www.theclergyletterproject.org/Christi...
KJV

United States

#10232 Jan 4, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Uh-oh

Is that the sound of KJV sneaking out of here?
No, I don't need to run from these threads I simply corrected your atheist buddy where he went wrong in his figuring.

Of course you're still trying to figure out what a coulomb is and what the ^ symbol means in a math equation. LOL
KJV

United States

#10233 Jan 4, 2013
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>The post you linked to proves nothing about God, but it definitely proves that you need assistance in Bible study and reading the Bible with comprehension.
Kind of makes you wonder why he changed his name from "the serpent was right"

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

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#10234 Jan 4, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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It's flawed because you simply posted some observations which you believe prove there is no God.
While it is certainly your right to post your observations and opinions, and you know we always enjoy those – but they are not proof of anything. We don't even know who you are, so you're not important to us.
Observation is what our experience on this world is all about. I pointed out facts supportable by evidence from your own buy bull. Then I extrapolated inescapable conclusion from those facts.

Your God is a fraud!! Deal with it!!

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#10235 Jan 4, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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It takes scientists to expose fake scientists.
Such a shame your religion doesn't keep its own house in order so effectively.
Wait a moment, my mistake - it does.
No less a person than KJV says that they (he didn't say who "they" were) correct the Bible every time a new document is found.
Wait a moment...
KJV also said that the Bible was perfect.
Care to help your friend out here? How can something that's perfect be corrected whenever new documents are found?
I will say that "new" documents aren't found. However, we know that new findings have produced original old documents heretofore undiscovered which I can only speculate contributes to the changes KJV referred to.

Be accurate and honest when in your heart you know the intent of the post, even if it wasn't stated to your satisfaction, just as you have sometimes stated things about Noah that came out differently than you may have intended. We don't want to nit pick - it's not prodctive, is it? LOL

However, when you are commenting on another poster, I again need to remind you that you should address your concerns with that poster, not me.

Just like I've told you before, if you have concerns about the content of posted links, you need to address them with the publishers, not me.

If you and I are going to remain the great friends we always have been, I will ask you to cooperate with me on this, and I will thank you for your usual fine cooperation.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#10236 Jan 4, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Adam wrote:
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I dont know how KJV can account for the fossil record. Maybe Yahweh put those fossils in the ground to deliberate mislead us :)
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scien...
"Contrary to popular belief, the dating of fossils is very subjective and arbitrary. Sometimes fossil dating is really a circular reasoning:
The ages of rocks are used to date fossils
The ages of fossils are used to date rocks.
Here is a quote from a peer reviewed science journal saying just that:
“The procession of life was never witnessed, it is inferred. The vertical sequence of fossils is thought to represent a process because the enclosing rocks are interpreted as a process. The rocks do date the fossils, but the fossils date the rocks more accurately. Stratigraphy cannot avoid this kind of reasoning, if it insists on using only temporal concepts, because circularity is inherent in the derivation of time scales.”(O’Rourke, J.E.,“Pragmatism Versus Materialism in Stratigraphy,” American Journal of Science, vol. 276, 1976, p. 53)(emphasis mine)
When a date is assigned to a fossil, it is also very important to pick the “correct” date. There are dates that are already accepted by evolutionists, and the date of a new fossil has to fit so as to not disrupt what has already been decided."
http://x-evolutionist.com/the-fossil-record-e...
endogenous retroviruses do not rely on the fossil record and they also prove evolution is a fact. There are 29 different ways to prove evolution is a fact.

Your God ... not so much.

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#10237 Jan 4, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Yes, it really is an established fact!! http://www.theclergyletterproject.org/Christi...
I've already addressed your post and moved on. This will not be addressed again. There are many inaccuracies stated on various links. Thank you for attempting to clarify.

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#10238 Jan 4, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Observation is what our experience on this world is all about. I pointed out facts supportable by evidence from your own buy bull. Then I extrapolated inescapable conclusion from those facts.
Your God is a fraud!! Deal with it!!
I'm so sorry that you're angry over your misinterpretation of the Bible.

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#10239 Jan 4, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Christianity has a habit of getting into bed with whoever is in power.
I had never thought of it quite that way. Is China powered by Christians?

I guess atheism isn't going to grow much in the United States since no atheist will be in power here - not for many years, at least.

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#10240 Jan 4, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
The majority of people used to think the earth was flat. The best rise to the top and usually they are few and sadly there are many naive people fearing a delusion called god.
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Thank you for letting us know what was on your mind today.
KJV

United States

#10241 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Quantum physics goes way beyond what can be seen.
Quantum Mechanics fails as a theory.

From Nova:

"For decades, every attempt to describe the force of gravity in the same language as the other forces—the language of quantum mechanics—has met with disaster

S. JAMES GATES, JR.: You try to put those two pieces of mathematics together, they do not coexist peacefully.

S. JAMES GATES, JR.: The laws of nature are supposed to apply everywhere. So if Einstein's laws are supposed to apply everywhere, and the laws of quantum mechanics are supposed to apply everywhere, well you can't have two separate everywheres.

RIGHT SIDE BRIAN GREENE: In the years since, physics split into two separate camps: one that uses general relativity to study big and heavy objects, things like stars, galaxies and the universe as a whole...

LEFT SIDE BRIAN GREENE:...and another that uses quantum mechanics to study the tiniest of objects, like atoms and particles. This has been kind of like having two families that just cannot get along and never talk to each other...

LEFT SIDE BRIAN GREENE: There just seemed to be no way to combine quantum mechanics...

RIGHT SIDE BRIAN GREENE:...and general relativity in a single theory that could describe the universe on all scales.

So here's the question: if you're trying to figure out what happens in the depths of a black hole, where an entire star is crushed to a tiny speck, do you use general relativity because the star is incredibly heavy or quantum mechanics because it's incredibly tiny?

Well, that's the problem. Since the center of a black hole is both tiny and heavy, you can't avoid using both theories at the same time. And when we try to put the two theories together in the realm of black holes, they conflict. It breaks down. They give nonsensical predictions. And the universe is not nonsensical; it's got to make sense.

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#10242 Jan 4, 2013
KJV wrote:
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LOL.
Post a comment of your own and they will condemn you for not having enough credentials. Quote an expert and you're a spammer.
Oh and then they will post that the article is false. Like they're the expert. LOL.
Right.

Post something good about science, and they'll love it without question. Post something negative, no matter what the source, and they do one of 2 things: no answer, or they dig and scratch to find fault. If they can't find fault, they manufacture something irrelevant to post. I think there's an atheist school they all go to that teaches them phony tactics like that

LOL
KJV

United States

#10243 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Quantum physics goes way beyond what can be seen.
BRIAN GREENE: It's a little known secret but for more than half a century a dark cloud has been looming over modern science. Here's the problem: our understanding of the universe is based on two separate theories. One is Einstein's general theory of relativity—that's a way of understanding the biggest things in the universe, things like stars and galaxies. But the littlest things in the universe, atoms and subatomic particles, play by an entirely different set of rules called, "quantum Mechanics"

These two sets of rules are each incredibly accurate in their own domain but whenever we try to combine them, to solve some of the deepest mysteries in the universe, disaster strikes.

Take the beginning of the universe, the "big bang." At that instant a tiny nugget erupted violently. Over the next 14 billion years the universe expanded and cooled into the stars, galaxies and planets we see today. But if we run the cosmic film in reverse, everything that's now rushing apart comes back together, so the universe gets smaller, hotter and denser as we head back to the beginning of time.

As we reach the big bang, when the universe was both enormously heavy and incredibly tiny, our projector jams. Our two laws of physics, when combined, break down.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

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#10244 Jan 4, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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I'm so sorry that you're angry over your misinterpretation of the Bible.
You have yet to point out anything in my proof that was not correct.
KJV

United States

#10245 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting, they must all be great at masking their IPs then.
Why is that?

Why I'm all of these :

Derek4
Lanolairs
3 more but I can't remember
Right know who they are.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#10246 Jan 4, 2013
KJV wrote:
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BRIAN GREENE: It's a little known secret but for more than half a century a dark cloud has been looming over modern science. Here's the problem: our understanding of the universe is based on two separate theories. One is Einstein's general theory of relativity—that's a way of understanding the biggest things in the universe, things like stars and galaxies. But the littlest things in the universe, atoms and subatomic particles, play by an entirely different set of rules called, "quantum Mechanics"
These two sets of rules are each incredibly accurate in their own domain but whenever we try to combine them, to solve some of the deepest mysteries in the universe, disaster strikes.
Take the beginning of the universe, the "big bang." At that instant a tiny nugget erupted violently. Over the next 14 billion years the universe expanded and cooled into the stars, galaxies and planets we see today. But if we run the cosmic film in reverse, everything that's now rushing apart comes back together, so the universe gets smaller, hotter and denser as we head back to the beginning of time.
As we reach the big bang, when the universe was both enormously heavy and incredibly tiny, our projector jams. Our two laws of physics, when combined, break down.
You've been told about the "Grand Unification Problem" about a half dozen different ways that I know of, probably a lot more.

What you are doing is known as the "God of the Gaps". If Science can not currently explain it, then "God dunnit!!"

This was stupid in the Dark Ages when we didn't understand what caused the Black Plague. Now we do, and it was not "God's wrath".

The "God of the Gaps" gets smaller with every scientific discovery.

You are worshiping a shrinking god that you cannot even prove exists.
KJV

United States

#10247 Jan 4, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>You've been told about the "Grand Unification Problem" about a half dozen different ways that I know of, probably a lot more.

What you are doing is known as the "God of the Gaps". If Science can not currently explain it, then "God dunnit!!"

This was stupid in the Dark Ages when we didn't understand what caused the Black Plague. Now we do, and it was not "God's wrath".

The "God of the Gaps" gets smaller with every scientific discovery.

You are worshiping a shrinking god that you cannot even prove exists.
No not at all. You see I understand your believe against all odds in spontaneous life, where nothing exploded and created everything. Gaps and falsified science to fill in the gaps and failed test.
I choose to believe in the Bible where 2000 prophecy have been fulfilled and the History of the Bible keeps getting proven right with each new city unearthed.

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