Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#10065 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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There was a typo there, if scientists wanted to be fraudulent, they wouldn't publicly announce the frauds they discover.
If a bank robber didn't want to rob a bank, would they turn in others that do? Human nature says yes.
"...If a bank robber didn't want to rob a bank..."

Wait!! What?!?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10066 Jan 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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"...If a bank robber didn't want to rob a bank..."
Wait!! What?!?
lol He came up with it, I just showed how it doesn't make sense. I probably should have just called him an idiot for using it instead of trying to show how much it fails.
KJV

United States

#10067 Jan 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>You've obviously read none of the material I provided via link.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/scipr...

Here is an excerpt for you;

Endogenous retroviruses provide yet another example of molecular sequence evidence for universal common descent. Endogenous retroviruses are molecular remnants of a past parasitic viral infection. Occasionally, copies of a retrovirus genome are found in its host's genome, and these retroviral gene copies are called endogenous retroviral sequences. Retroviruses (like the AIDS virus or HTLV1, which causes a form of leukemia) make a DNA copy of their own viral genome and insert it into their host's genome. If this happens to a germ line cell (i.e. the sperm or egg cells) the retroviral DNA will be inherited by descendants of the host. Again, this process is rare and fairly random, so finding retrogenes in identical chromosomal positions of two different species indicates common ancestry.
"Endogenous retroviruses provide yet another example of molecular sequence evidence for universal common descent"

Yup there names are Noah and His Wife. You can go further back if you wish to Adam and Eve.

An expert of Satan's clan I don't need. Thank you not.
KJV

United States

#10068 Jan 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>In humans, endogenous retroviruses occupy about 1% of the genome, in total constituting ~30,000 different retroviruses embedded in each person's genomic DNA (Sverdlov 2000). There are at least seven different known instances of common retrogene insertions between chimps and humans, and this number is sure to grow as both these organism's genomes are sequenced
That's what a world wide flood will do for you.
KJV

United States

#10069 Jan 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>Then there is no reason to buy into Christianity just because a large number of nimrods like yourself do.

The basis of the scientific method is to first gather the facts, then look at the available conjectures and hypothesis to determine which one fits the data the best. On that basis,
.I can say you are lying and this is verified by the very nature of the scientific method

The basis of religion is to first gather the conclusions then discard all facts that do not support the conclusions. This is what you are doing and it never leads to the truth.
"Then there is no reason to buy into Christianity just because a large number of nimrods like yourself do."

That's correct. You don't have to do anything.

"I can say you are lying and this is verified by the very nature of the scientific method"

Yes you can. hollow words mean nothing though.

"The basis of religion is to first gather the conclusions then discard all facts that do not support the conclusions."

The Religion of evolution does seem to follow this statement so this I agree with you on, only for certain religions such as Evolution.
KJV

United States

#10070 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Why did you move the goal posts?
What? Is this the first time you've seen the Goal post?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10071 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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Yes; thank you.
You also recognize that science has failed to catch their own crimiinals. At the cost of the taxpayer, the government does what science should be doing.
You really don't grasp the worldwide nature of the scientific community, do you?

If scientists in Europe demonstrate fraud in the US, how can they "catch them"?

It's up to the US government to do that.

You, know, that body of people that are predominantly Christian.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10072 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
Did sedimentation always occur at the same rate it does today?
How do we know?
If not, what does that do to dating methods?
What about polystrate fossils?
http://creation.com/how-old-is-the-earth
No copyrighted material was reproduced in this post.
You get your science from a religious website?

How dumb is that?

It's like reading a book on baking to learn up on how to install a radiator.

No wonder you're in a mess.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10073 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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Since you are powerless to diminish God in any way, feel free to continue diminishing yourself with improper grammar and spelling. We're accustomed to it by now.
I can't diminish something that doesn't actually exist.

It's the same as trying to lessen your integrity.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10074 Jan 3, 2013
KJV wrote:
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What? Is this the first time you've seen the Goal post?
Oh, there you are.

Are you going to tell us why you admit that the Bible isn't perfect?

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#10075 Jan 3, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"Endogenous retroviruses provide yet another example of molecular sequence evidence for universal common descent"
Yup there names are Noah and His Wife. You can go further back if you wish to Adam and Eve.
An expert of Satan's clan I don't need. Thank you not.
"Universal Common Descent" as in all life on Earth came from the same microscopic parents if you go back far enough in time. Monkeys and Apes are our cousins.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#10076 Jan 3, 2013
KJV wrote:
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That's what a world wide flood will do for you.
Floods alter genetic structure?

You really are an idjit, aren't you?
KJV

United States

#10077 Jan 3, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>Hell is ignorance, and you're already in it.
Wrong again.

" A place of weeping and gnashing of teeth - And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30).

A place of outer darkness - "Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 22:13).

A place of torments - "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom" (Luke 16:23).

A place of Sorrows - "The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;" (2 Samuel 22:6).

A place of everlasting destruction - "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" (II Thessalonians 1:9).

A place where men are tormented with fire and brimstone - "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).

A place where fire is not quenched - "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:44).

A bottomless pit - "And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit" (Revelation 9:2).

A place of no rest - "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name" (Revelation 14:11).

It is ultimately a lake of fire - "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" (Revelation 20:14).

A place of hopeless of unsatisfied desires - "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame " (Luke 16:24). The rich man wanted water but could not get any."
KJV

United States

#10078 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>There is nothing wrong in using a Christian website. You're a Christian. Atheists don't dictate resources to us, lol. What good are atheist websites? They are good for spreading hate, lies, and supporting fraudulent science – that's about it!
Absolutely! I just thought I would let them know ahead of time that I am quite aware of where my data comes from but still you'll be sure to see a rash of crap about it being a Christian web site. Like that some how voids it.

In other words I put a wet blanket on their main response.

Thanks Derek
KJV

United States

#10079 Jan 3, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>Wise men have pointed out to me that TRUST is the "faith" analog in Science. Scientists trust their instruments, trust their co-workers and trust the Scientific Method to weed out error. Very occasionally, the trust is misplaced, to the apparent delight of you godbots. Of course, the analogy breaks down as scientists have very good reason to trust these things, whereas godbots have no basis for their "faith".

No matter what people say, knowledge and faith are mortal enemies and can not really exist in the same Universe together. When you "know" something, faith is unnecessary. You can only have "faith" in something that does not exist, proof or knowledge of that thing is impossible. That's why anti-knowledge or misinformation, such as your Creationism and anti-evolution, anti-science poses are brandished about ... you got nothing else.

If your god existed, you could all pray and "wish us into the corn field" but he don't and you can't. Yeah, I watched the Twilight Zone Marathon again ... what'd you do for New Year? Sacrifice a goat or something?
Faith:
Synonyms: devotion, piety, RELIGION

Thanks for confirming your religion
KJV

United States

#10080 Jan 3, 2013
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>+1 nicely said
"No matter what people say, knowledge and faith are mortal enemies and can not really exist in the same Universe together"

At first look your statement looks correct

Faith:
(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof.

However having proof is not the same as knowledge of something. You may know someone who did something (that's knowledge) but have no proof of it to show others.

Upon closer examination your statement fails.
KJV

United States

#10081 Jan 3, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>Little known secret?

Are you kidding?

That's been known for ages, and is what the search for the Grand Unified Theory (GUT) is all about.

Tell you what.

Lets do things your way.

Fuck science.

Lets just throw it out.

It's up to you.

What do you suggest?

Pray?
No need to go batty on me. I was presenting what the previous poster asked for.

Take a chill pill.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#10082 Jan 3, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"No matter what people say, knowledge and faith are mortal enemies and can not really exist in the same Universe together"
At first look your statement looks correct
Faith:
(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof.
However having proof is not the same as knowledge of something. You may know someone who did something (that's knowledge) but have no proof of it to show others.
Upon closer examination your statement fails.
There is no truth in faith. You can "know" something with no proof and be completely wrong.

Harold Camping for example.
KJV

United States

#10083 Jan 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>Where did I say I am an atheist? I said I can prove the Bible God does not exist.
Oh WOW major statement there!!!!!

Please unveil you break through.
Show us the "PROOF" that the God of the Bible does not exist.

You know this is really proof that you're an idiot.
KJV

United States

#10084 Jan 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>Yah so? You've described the "Grand unification problem". There are many theories, all of them better supported by the evidence than th "Gawd doneit!!" conjecture. You've still got nothing.
Nope what I have is the item that was requested. So I posted it.
Oh

D O Y O U K N O W W H A T
M A T H I S?

Because math blows evolution and the Big Bang and spontaneous life generation right out of the water.

Mathematically none of those could have happened.

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