Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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#10043 Jan 3, 2013
Did sedimentation always occur at the same rate it does today?

How do we know?

If not, what does that do to dating methods?

What about polystrate fossils?

http://creation.com/how-old-is-the-earth

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#10044 Jan 3, 2013
How much faith does atheism require?

Even in science, don't we need a certain degree of faith in their findings?

Or do we just accept all science, knowing that much of it is fraudulent?

Haven't we found errors in science?

Yes – I've posted many of those.

Is damage to the spinal cord reversible?

Yes it is - but science told us no for many years.

http://theseekeroftruth.blogspot.com/2005/07/...

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#10045 Jan 3, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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I recognise that there will always be fraudsters who are dumb enough to use science ...
Yes; thank you.

You also recognize that science has failed to catch their own crimiinals. At the cost of the taxpayer, the government does what science should be doing.

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#10046 Jan 3, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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I love the way correct use of grammar winds you people up.
I'll just carry on referring to the god of the Bible in this way.
Since you are powerless to diminish God in any way, feel free to continue diminishing yourself with improper grammar and spelling. We're accustomed to it by now.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10047 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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But as we know, you just descended from a common rodent. Read about those too. And learn more about fraudulent evolution. Your support of the ignorance of your cohorts exhibits your own ignorance more than you have already done for us. Take a break because I think you're tired.
You keep claiming it's fraudulent yet you provide no better alternative .... well you provide no alternative actually. You also provide no evidence that there is fraud involved. If you think it's fraudulent you should have some evidence for your assertion.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10048 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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Yes; thank you.
You also recognize that science has failed to catch their own crimiinals. At the cost of the taxpayer, the government does what science should be doing.
Every single scientific fraud that you posted was exposed by the scientific method and disgraced by the scientific community. No one else has exposed the fraud. So your own evidence, your own links, your own sources, all of them, simply prove you wrong.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10049 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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You never were a Christian.
You were an unconvincing hypocrite.
Now you're an unconvincing atheist.
I drank from the kool aid and lived to tell the tale.

btw I am am agnostic and skeptic. I still remain open to the possibility of an impersonal deity. But on what evidence?
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10050 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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I some religious nut approached you and said "I am the son of God, believe in me and you will have eternal life. Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you will have no life in you." What would be your reaction?

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#10051 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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I was wondering where your link is that backs you up. It seems to be missing, lol.
How many Christians do you know personally that discuss their beliefs with you in detail so that you can decide what the “vast majority” of them believe? LOL
The majority of soldiers, policemen, firemen in America are Christians. Nothing will change that fact, so you are going to have to live with it, even though it's painful for you.
Basically, atheists don't have a voice. When they try to get one, they damage their cause because they emit hate and foul smelling gasses, lol.
The American public at large isn't interested in the atheist view – praise God.
I'm sharing a supposition based upon observation and personal experience. Given my weight in the community, I would think this would be far more convincing than a mere "link". I can certainly testify that during my entire period of religious indoctrination, I was miserable and inattentivie. Since I know that I am in no way "special" it should be safe to presume that many millions of my fellow indoctrinatees were likewise miserable and inattentive.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#10052 Jan 3, 2013
I may change my mind tomorrow... ;)
KittenKoder wrote:
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You say it's Thursday too? Wow, that explains why I'm an atheist.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#10053 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
How much faith does atheism require?
Even in science, don't we need a certain degree of faith in their findings?
Or do we just accept all science, knowing that much of it is fraudulent?
Haven't we found errors in science?
Yes – I've posted many of those.
Is damage to the spinal cord reversible?
Yes it is - but science told us no for many years.
http://theseekeroftruth.blogspot.com/2005/07/...
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Wise men have pointed out to me that TRUST is the "faith" analog in Science. Scientists trust their instruments, trust their co-workers and trust the Scientific Method to weed out error. Very occasionally, the trust is misplaced, to the apparent delight of you godbots. Of course, the analogy breaks down as scientists have very good reason to trust these things, whereas godbots have no basis for their "faith".

No matter what people say, knowledge and faith are mortal enemies and can not really exist in the same Universe together. When you "know" something, faith is unnecessary. You can only have "faith" in something that does not exist, proof or knowledge of that thing is impossible. That's why anti-knowledge or misinformation, such as your Creationism and anti-evolution, anti-science poses are brandished about ... you got nothing else.

If your god existed, you could all pray and "wish us into the corn field" but he don't and you can't. Yeah, I watched the Twilight Zone Marathon again ... what'd you do for New Year? Sacrifice a goat or something?

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#10054 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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Since you are powerless to diminish God in any way, feel free to continue diminishing yourself with improper grammar and spelling. We're accustomed to it by now.
Creationist liar with no morals lying about a god he has no proof of.

Using science to spread anti-science propoganda.

This is the epitome of creationist troll failure.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10055 Jan 3, 2013
RHill wrote:
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No matter what people say, knowledge and faith are mortal enemies and can not really exist in the same Universe together. When you "know" something, faith is unnecessary. You can only have "faith" in something that does not exist, proof or knowledge of that thing is impossible. That's why anti-knowledge or misinformation, such as your Creationism and anti-evolution, anti-science poses are brandished about ... you got nothing else.
+1 nicely said
KJV

United States

#10056 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>First, science is a method, not an entity, so it can't want anything.

Secondly, if scientists wanted to be fraudulent, they would publicly announce the frauds they discover.

You project too much, you just inserted your entire leg.
Oh I see so if I want to be an astronomer I would have major in Method? LOL

Your second point is pure BS.
" if scientists wanted to be fraudulent, they would publicly announce the frauds they discover."
Like are you nuts?
If a bank robber held up a bank they would need publicly announce what they have done if they wanted to a criminal?
KJV

United States

#10057 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>So you are twisting what we told you to mean something completely different. Not a surprise.
No. You just Babble something new each day that makes no sense.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#10060 Jan 3, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>Or this one:

"BRIAN GREENE: It's a little known secret but for more than half a century a dark cloud has been looming over modern science. Here's the problem: our understanding of the universe is based on two separate theories. One is Einstein's general theory of relativity—that's a way of understanding the biggest things in the universe, things like stars and galaxies. But the littlest things in the universe, atoms and subatomic particles, play by an entirely different set of rules called, "quantum Mechanics"

These two sets of rules are each incredibly accurate in their own domain but whenever we try to combine them, to solve some of the deepest mysteries in the universe, disaster strikes.

Take the beginning of the universe, the "big bang." At that instant a tiny nugget erupted violently. Over the next 14 billion years the universe expanded and cooled into the stars, galaxies and planets we see today. But if we run the cosmic film in reverse, everything that's now rushing apart comes back together, so the universe gets smaller, hotter and denser as we head back to the beginning of time.

As we reach the big bang, when the universe was both enormously heavy and incredibly tiny, our projector jams. Our two laws of physics, when combined, break down."
Little known secret?

Are you kidding?

That's been known for ages, and is what the search for the Grand Unified Theory (GUT) is all about.

Tell you what.

Lets do things your way.

Fuck science.

Lets just throw it out.

It's up to you.

What do you suggest?

Pray?

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

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#10061 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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You got one thing right – you're stupid, lol.
If you're going to support evolution, you need to familiarize yourself on what evolution teaches.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq...
Your link agrees with everything I said, stupid.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

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#10062 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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I find it fascinating that you agree with (and support) the pope.
So why are you an atheist?
Where did I say I am an atheist? I said I can prove the Bible God does not exist.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

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#10063 Jan 3, 2013
KJV wrote:
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What you want me to rub your nose in failed scientific theory? You really think that there were no failed scientific theory?
Try just this one on for size.
"From Nova:
"For decades, every attempt to describe the force of gravity in the same language as the other forces—the language of quantum mechanics—has met with disaster
S. JAMES GATES, JR.: You try to put those two pieces of mathematics together, they do not coexist peacefully.
S. JAMES GATES, JR.: The laws of nature are supposed to apply everywhere. So if Einstein's laws are supposed to apply everywhere, and the laws of quantum mechanics are supposed to apply everywhere, well you can't have two separate everywheres.
RIGHT SIDE BRIAN GREENE: In the years since, physics split into two separate camps: one that uses general relativity to study big and heavy objects, things like stars, galaxies and the universe as a whole...
LEFT SIDE BRIAN GREENE:...and another that uses quantum mechanics to study the tiniest of objects, like atoms and particles. This has been kind of like having two families that just cannot get along and never talk to each other...
LEFT SIDE BRIAN GREENE: There just seemed to be no way to combine quantum mechanics...
RIGHT SIDE BRIAN GREENE:...and general relativity in a single theory that could describe the universe on all scales.
So here's the question: if you're trying to figure out what happens in the depths of a black hole, where an entire star is crushed to a tiny speck, do you use general relativity because the star is incredibly heavy or quantum mechanics because it's incredibly tiny?
Well, that's the problem. Since the center of a black hole is both tiny and heavy, you can't avoid using both theories at the same time. And when we try to put the two theories together in the realm of black holes, they conflict. It breaks down. They give nonsensical predictions. And the universe is not nonsensical; it's got to make sense."
Yah so? You've described the "Grand unification problem". There are many theories, all of them better supported by the evidence than th "Gawd doneit!!" conjecture. You've still got nothing.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10064 Jan 3, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Oh I see so if I want to be an astronomer I would have major in Method? LOL
Your second point is pure BS.
" if scientists wanted to be fraudulent, they would publicly announce the frauds they discover."
Like are you nuts?
If a bank robber held up a bank they would need publicly announce what they have done if they wanted to a criminal?
There was a typo there, if scientists wanted to be fraudulent, they wouldn't publicly announce the frauds they discover.

If a bank robber didn't want to rob a bank, would they turn in others that do? Human nature says yes.

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