Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10000 Jan 2, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Of course you and everyone here knows this is just another lie by an atheist. Christians are in many line of defense against crime. Like police officers, detectives, Christians have caught much fraudulent science as they (science) keeps trying to attack Christianity.
You're an award winning None for atheist.
Why did you move the goal posts?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10001 Jan 2, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"Yet ... it's always scientists who find the frauds and fallacies, not you. Why haven't you found any before the scientists themselves?"
This is another lie LOL. You believe science finds all the fraud and crime going on in science?
"Why haven't you found any before the scientists themselves?"
I have! I have posted it many times "none" that evolution and the Big Bang and spontaneous life are all frauds.
So, you have actually found fraud that exists which the scientific community did not first point out? Present it.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#10002 Jan 2, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"Yet ... it's always scientists who find the frauds and fallacies, not you. Why haven't you found any before the scientists themselves?"
This is another lie LOL. You believe science finds all the fraud and crime going on in science?
"Why haven't you found any before the scientists themselves?"
I have! I have posted it many times "none" that evolution and the Big Bang and spontaneous life are all frauds.
No, you have made *CLAIMS* that they are fraudulent and wrong, but you have NOT shown these claims to be true. In fact, the evidence shows *your* claims are wrong. Since you didn't actually claim to do any research (or any thinking), what you posted isn't fraudulent, only wrong. But any *scientist* that made truth claims (as opposed to simple speculation) like yours with so little actual evidence would be laughed out of the profession.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#10003 Jan 2, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"7) Rape of female captives (Deut 21. 10-14): This was cited earlier in order to show that there wasn't rape, see the process at the end of #1. The process showed that they must be married in order to have sexual relations. None of this was forced, including the marriage. There's not rape, once again EB inserts a very disturbing misinterpretation.
8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5. 30): Again there is rape inserted by EB's author. None actually in the verse. A girl for each man means as a slave, not a sex slave. Furthermore, this was actually a lyrical poem sang by Deborah, not meant to be interpreted literally like has been by EB.
9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21. 7-11): I have already dealt with this in my slavery post: www.debunkedevil.blogspot.com/2009/10/slavery... . A quick refresher, this never says sex anywhere, nor implies it. These were laws handling the treatment of female slaves, nothing more. It even states that a man may marry her to one of his sons. This must occur for any sex; otherwise it would be fornication, which the Bible is patently against. Women were sold into slavery by their families or willingly went in order to pay off debts that they owed, which was more like indentured slavery, a term that didn't exist at the time. Apparently EB sees "woman" and "slave" and immediately thinks "sex slave".
10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 12:1-2): Again EB takes a verse out of context, and those who use biblegateway.com or another such site in reference to this (Good idea, by the way), pull up just one more verse after this. It reads: "Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against these nations". Another translation of verse one "Behold, the day of the Lord cometh." This verse has Israel being defeated for turning away from God, and then God will come to redeem them. The rape described here is the disgusting acts of other nations, and God punishes them for it when he redeems Israel. Hardly condoning rape.
Conclusion: Thus ends Evilbible.com 's unfounded rant about the Bible condoning rape. It should be known by now that it clearly doesn't, in fact just the opposite. There is a clear difference between it being in the Bible, and the Bible condoning it. Also, massive assumptions aren't acceptable as evidence. It doesn't explicitly say rape in 90% of these verses, that part is inserted. It helps to understand the slavery side of this as well, so check it out. My link was posted in above. Thanks!"
You still ignored me completely.... my post was about morals with a brief answer to your previous comment ignoring what i was saying.... and to top it off... your lengthy post never references the verse i posted.

I badly want to debate the rape thing but that would only mean you successfully changed the subject......

I was talking.. about... morals...

I was pointing out some common ground....

Get off the defensive and process the information you read.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#10004 Jan 2, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
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You still ignored me completely.... my post was about morals with a brief answer to your previous comment ignoring what i was saying.... and to top it off... your lengthy post never references the verse i posted.
I badly want to debate the rape thing but that would only mean you successfully changed the subject......
I was talking.. about... morals...
I was pointing out some common ground....
Get off the defensive and process the information you read.
Error correction. You did include the verse i mentioned. I Apologize. Just poor apologetics.

You probably have no idea what i said anymore since you ignored it... so lets try something different.

Where do you get your morals?
Where do atheist get theirs?
Why are both atheists and christians not crazy murderous lunatics setting everything on fire and killing everything in sight?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#10005 Jan 2, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>No. I don't think that he believed it either. Much like L.Ron Hubbard didn't believe the trash that he put out.
I see that you haven't developed a sense of humor yet.
It's not relevant that he believe, but only that his followers do.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10006 Jan 2, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
The basis of the scientific method is to first gather the facts, then look at the available conjectures and hypothesis to determine which one fits the data the best. On that basis, I can say you are lying and this is verified by the very nature of the scientific method.

The basis of religion is to first gather the conclusions then discard all facts that do not support the conclusions. This is what you are doing and it never leads to the truth.
Here that is flow-charted.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10007 Jan 2, 2013
2nd try, with the link this time:
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
The basis of the scientific method is to first gather the facts, then look at the available conjectures and hypothesis to determine which one fits the data the best. On that basis, I can say you are lying and this is verified by the very nature of the scientific method.

The basis of religion is to first gather the conclusions then discard all facts that do not support the conclusions. This is what you are doing and it never leads to the truth.
Here that is flow-charted:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YPojM4XO3dE/UE3_UXE...

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10008 Jan 2, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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Sorry, Khatru, I posted a reply to you without putting your email on top first. Perhaps it's because your a "none", lol.
Here ya go:
"So you do recognize science has failed us since I found and posted many of the failures.
Thank you for that admission.
Maybe you're making some slow progress."
I recognise that there will always be fraudsters who are dumb enough to use science, where they will eventually be exposed by the scientific community, peer groups and scepticism.

The clever ones use religion where they have millions of gullible and ignorant minds to control and where they get unquestioning obedience. This of course, means they're rarely exposed.

Science succeeds religion fails.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10009 Jan 2, 2013
KJV wrote:
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That logic works well with the Gang Bangers killing each other off.
"See how effective Gangs are as they weed out the fraudulent behavior of others"
Dolt!
We all know your cult glorifies in blood, sacrifice, pain, suffering and death; so I can understand your ease at bringing up killing.

However, this is science we're talking about, wetpants.

You know, the source of real and tangible truths about our reality.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10010 Jan 2, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Gods gives each and every person the chance to save their soul. So if you wind up in hell you can only blame yourselves.
Can we believe anything you say?

Your propensity towards lying destroys what little crediblity you have.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10011 Jan 2, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"Darwin's great theory goes from strength-to-strength."
Please list the proof of evolution being something other them the myth it is.
No fossil record.
No proof of one kind giving birth to another kind.
All we have seen in nature is one species after another becoming extinct.
Why are you asking me? Ask a scientist.

You're dumb.

No doubt you'd ask a plumber to rewire your house. I'll stick with an electrician.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10012 Jan 2, 2013
KJV wrote:
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The fact is there is no proof for evolution
"Evolutionary belief is a remarkable and largely unexplained phenomenon. It is a belief held by most intellectuals all over the world, despite the fact that there is no real scientific evidence for it at all. Evolutionists allege that evolution is a proved scientific fact, based on a multitude of scientific proofs, but they are unable to document even one of these supposed proofs! "
http://www.icr.org/article/260/
Oh no what have i done I quoted a Christian web site.
I don't really care, it's the view point I have and billions of others also have.
Other than mathematical proofs, there's no proof for anything.

If proof is an issue then you wouldn't accept the theory of gravity.

Your problem is you're not consistent and you flip-flop to suit your beliefs. You don't ask for proof for theories that don't challenge your superstitions but when they do, you need proof.

Get real, wetpants.

Now, why don't you believe the Bible is perfect?

Tell me that.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10013 Jan 2, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"The United States of America was founded by Christians as a Christian nation.
No, it was not and is not a theocracy. We do not have an official state church or an official state religion. In fact, the same Constitutional amendment which guarantees our freedom of religious expression also forbids an official state religion or church:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
But our country was undoubtedly founded by Christians. A few of the founders such as Benjamin Franklin and possibly Thomas Jefferson were not Christians, but even they were well grounded in the Bible and generally adhered to the moral and philosophical wisdom of Christianity.
From the colonial charters which almost universally cited the glory of God and the advancement of Christianity as their motivation, to the Declaration of Independence which cites “the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God” and our Creator as the source of our rights and appeals “to the Supreme Judge of the world” and declares “a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence,” to the U.S. Constitution which acknowledges the Christian worldview and even the Christian day of worship, our nation was founded on Christian principles so clearly that it cannot be rationally denied."
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/07/20583/
You said the American Revolution was caused by atheists, not christians.

Make your mind up, wetpants.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10014 Jan 2, 2013
KJV wrote:
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What god are you talking about here?
Just trying to stay abreast with you on the conversation. You see if it was the God of the bible it would be capitalized
You used a small g so therefore it must be a pagan god by definition.
I love the way correct use of grammar winds you people up.

I'll just carry on referring to the god of the Bible in this way.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10015 Jan 3, 2013
KJV wrote:
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No I don't thinks so puppet boy!
Because we post articles that point out how absurd you are does not make us liars.
You also lie when you say the Bible is perfect.

That makes you a liar.

You're going to burn, wetpants.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#10016 Jan 3, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>It's not relevant that he believe, but only that his followers do.
Exactly. He would have made a great politician.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10017 Jan 3, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Hmmm I didn't realize that the atheist church had Nones! Do they have the flying None? How about none convents?
LOL
Christianity and superstition are interchangeable:

Definition of superstition
noun
excessively credulous belief in and reverence for supernatural beings:
he dismissed the ghost stories as mere superstition
a widely held but unjustified belief in supernatural causation leading to certain consequences of an action or event, or a practice based on such a belief:

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/engl...

Definition of SUPERSTITION

1
a : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b : an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
2
: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sup...

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10018 Jan 3, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Here that is flow-charted.
Scientists use flow-charts

Christians use flaw-charts
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10019 Jan 3, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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you have a lot of catching up to do on your Bible studies.
What an embarrassment you are to yourself.
As an ex-C I know the bible well, too well. Without Jesus glasses, the OT is a cataloge of horrors, and mythology. The NT starts out well. But strip away the myths, and you a less palatable story.

A brief synopsis. A man rises from the dead and ascends into heaven on a cloud (acts 1). You are saved by eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6). That my friend is insane.

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