Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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#9778 Dec 31, 2012
To all my atheist friends out there, happy new year and all the best for the year ahead.

Hope you have a good 4,550,000,000.
KittenKoder wrote:
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You misspelled "my" in that post. So I corrected it for you.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

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#9779 Dec 31, 2012
swerty wrote:
To all my atheist friends out there, happy new year and all the best for the year ahead.
Hope you have a good 4,550,000,000. <quoted text>
LOL
Have a good one.

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#9780 Dec 31, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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I have no interest in explaining my thoughts to the publishers of the web page. I will present the comments here, where the thoughts have been presented by you.
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How about how many lives have been saved from the advancements of science? But I would agree: get the harmful medications off the shelves. If actual fraud was involved, punish it.
You don't want the publishers to benefit from your vast wisdom?

Maybe that's because you realize that you don't have anything credible to present to them.

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#9781 Dec 31, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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Oh, it is only a mild happiness to be obtained by this. Deeper happiness comes from understanding, teaching, loving, helping, and experiencing the joys of life.
So you settle for a “mild happiness”- lol.

Maybe one day you will give up the hopelessness of atheism and discover that deeper happiness which could bring meaning to your life.

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#9782 Dec 31, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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Agreed. And the scientific community eventually works out the truth of the matter. Again, that is why we require testability and reproducibility of results.
Fraud is a serious concern because it does distort the scientific process and makes it more difficult to get to truth. But, if the fraud is in an interesting and important area of study, the results will be tested by many independent scientists and the fraud made clear fairly quickly. Fraud in less significant areas can last longer, but again, the truth will be found by subsequent investigators when they attempt to reproduce the results.
How often the scientific community fails us.

That's why we need government agencies, the media, and other sources, to help protect us against corrupt science.

I wonder if you've informed yourself about the staggering costs of scientific misconduct?

Your nonchalant attitude about fraud indicates that you haven't.

The cost to investigate a single case may be $525,000.00 or more.

With 20,000 fraudulent scientific papers published every year, as previously posted and documented, have you considered how astronomical these costs are?

Who bears these costs? What portion of these costs are paid out by the government?

The Office of Research Integrity states the costs may even be higher.

This link has more elaboration on the subject:

http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Ado...

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#9783 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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So ... instead of honoring the dead, remembering their lives, giving them meaning and a reason .... you smear their names, minimalise the loss, all for your own personal, hate filled, agenda. How very .... christian of you.
Still, if you want to play, almost all other such cases are christian, and most do so in the name of your pretend god. If one in one hundred murderers is not christian, that's a pretty good track record, no?
So you want me to honor the dead atheist gunman?

No, I'll let you take care of that. You are probably good at it.

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#9784 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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"He had irregularly taken SSRI-antidepressants one year prior to his death. These antidepressants are said to cause suicidal tendencies as a side-effect in early ages between 18 and 24.[18]"
You love to ignore the details, don't you?
No, let's not ignore anything.

Actually, you make a good point by reminding us that his problems were brought on by those marvelous drugs science developed.

Thank you.

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#9785 Dec 31, 2012
Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam fired Don Poldermans, scientific researcher, for misconduct, due to his alleged carelessness in collecting data. He reportedly used data from patient records without proper consent, and fake data. He is reported to have submitted knowingly unreliable data to scientific conferences.

This link from Forbes gives details about Mr. Poldermans' fraud:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhusten/2011/...

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#9786 Dec 31, 2012
re-posting a famous quote:

“Belief in evolution makes atheists of people. One can have a religious view that is compatible with evolution only if that religious view is indistinguishable from atheism."

William Provine, Professor at Cornell University

Thank you Mr. Provine for expressing your thoughts, and we agree with them.

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#9787 Dec 31, 2012
Was it worth it?

John Darsee lost his NIH fellowship and he lost his Harvard postion when he allegedly created fraudulent “scientific” data while he was a student at University of Notre Dame.

Fortunately, his corruptness was discovered. MORE corrupt scientists are the LAST thing we need.

There is way too much fraud in science.

More information on Darsee is found at this link:

http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/rio/research_misco...

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#9788 Dec 31, 2012
In 2005, Newsweek contained an article by Jerry Adler concerning an exhibit at the history museum in New York. Mr. Adler was writing about Darwin's life and Darwin's influence; praising Darwin as one of the “greats”.

Adler published false and misleading statements which were only his opinions.

Quite the contrary to Mr. Adler's beliefs, Darwinism is headed for the waste bin, like other outmoded theories.

The fact is, our universe is “bursting with design”.

The included link explains.

http://www.darwinism-watch.com/index.php...

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“I Am No One Else”

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#9789 Dec 31, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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So you want me to honor the dead atheist gunman?
No, I'll let you take care of that. You are probably good at it.
I was talking about the kids, you sick demented sadist. The fact that you even forgot kids were killed betrays your vile attitude.

“I Am No One Else”

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#9790 Dec 31, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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No, let's not ignore anything.
Actually, you make a good point by reminding us that his problems were brought on by those marvelous drugs science developed.
Thank you.
Yes, improperly diagnosed medications does tend to cause problems. sychiatry is based on the same principles as religion, and that's who diagnosis those ailments. Psychiatry is not based on the scientific method, but on stereotypes and assumptions, it's not medicine, it's quackery.

So thank you for demonstrating that religious "logic" is always a failure.

“I Am No One Else”

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#9791 Dec 31, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam fired Don Poldermans, scientific researcher, for misconduct, due to his alleged carelessness in collecting data. He reportedly used data from patient records without proper consent, and fake data. He is reported to have submitted knowingly unreliable data to scientific conferences.
This link from Forbes gives details about Mr. Poldermans' fraud:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhusten/2011/...
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Still showing how well science finds the frauds and phonies.

So why doesn't your religion ever find frauds or phonies?

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#9792 Dec 31, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I think that you have confused materialism and reductionism.
[1] "Materialism - The doctrine that nothing exists except matter and its movements and modifications."
That seems to sum things up nicely. Why are we not all Materialists?

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

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#9793 Dec 31, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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No.
Once religion is out of our lives, most of us will likely almost never think of it again - as with monarchs. The colonials thought about monarchy a lot until they deposed the only monarch affecting their lives, and then more or less stopped thinking about the subject rather than going after the others.
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." –Diderot
Monarchy and the church are both headed to Irrelevanceville in the West.
That's one of my favorite quotes. I usually sub politician for "king" to keep it current. Is that fair?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#9794 Dec 31, 2012
KJV wrote:
Strawman? Me?
Yes, strawman. You.
KJV wrote:
You think Cannibalism is ok if the majority of the tribe says it's ok.
Just like that. That's a Christian idea. That's your idea, and you're a Christian. No humanist posted has anything like that, and many have contradicted it. The Affirmations of Humanism contradict you.

That's what's meant by a strawman: you come up with an idea, claim it was your oppositions, and then argue against it. Have a ball: http://www.kellscraft.com/Scarecrowofoz/crowo...

Besides, cannibalism is as Christian as vampirism and zombiism:

"Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." - John 6:54

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#9795 Dec 31, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Atheist contributors to this forum give scientists far too much credit for catching fraud and correcting it.
You're just sore because science exposed your creation myth and your bible as frauds:

"Fraud - A person or thing intended to deceive others." That's your bible. That's also your church.

And you have a lot of nerve calling anybody else fraudulent, because that definition also describes you, too. Your entire presence on this thread presenting canned fetch-and-paste sophistry has been to promote a fraud against science. You are here to deceive.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#9796 Dec 31, 2012
derek4 wrote:
In the Colorado Springs Gazette, there is a story of what the police had to do to stop one atheist extremist when he went on a rampage trying to dictate his godless belief.
http://www.discovery.org/a/15271
Discovery Institute. LOL. Check out how clueless this is:

"Darwin didn’t waste time trying to disprove creation theory, just as smart religious leaders don’t waste time trying to disprove scientific discoveries that reveal how God’s creation evolves."

Darwin's ideas have decimated your church and laid bare its fraud for the world to see without even referring to it.

And it is colossally hysterical for the Discovery Institute to pretend that they're not creationists trying to overturn science. Have you seen their Wedge Document? It's a leaked internal bulletin announcing its intentions to broadside the very foundation of all science. From Wiki:

"The wedge strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Institute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Institute manifesto known as the Wedge Document, which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to defeat materialism, naturalism, evolution, and "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions."

That's as hostile to science as it is possible to be.

So here we unearth another Christian deception. Dim, and that's called fraud.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#9797 Dec 31, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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Agreed. And the scientific community eventually works out the truth of the matter. Again, that is why we require testability and reproducibility of results.
Fraud is a serious concern because it does distort the scientific process and makes it more difficult to get to truth. But, if the fraud is in an interesting and important area of study, the results will be tested by many independent scientists and the fraud made clear fairly quickly. Fraud in less significant areas can last longer, but again, the truth will be found by subsequent investigators when they attempt to reproduce the results.
Dimwit4 doesn't understand that we are really just as skeptical of science as we are of religion.

Only, more often than not, scientific mistakes and frauds are exposed and their findings rejected.

He also doesn't get that he has absolutely NO skepticism of religion, making it possible for him to believe wild, unfounded, fantastical and impossible claims.

He fights his way through truth to see only what he wants to see. What he's been indoctrinated to see.

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