Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#9718 Dec 30, 2012
Khatru wrote:
ROFLMAO!! You have been warned. That not only explains why you now post a rider but also your weak attempts at retaliation by reporting other people for nothing at all. Don't be dim, Dim.
Good call! I didn't recognize what Dim was up to.
KJV

United States

#9719 Dec 30, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>The human eye - Already debunked, irreducible complexity is a canard.
Human morals - Easily explained by the theory of evolution.
The arts - Other animals exhibit art as well, fail canard.
Music - Other animals sing, another fail canard.
Writing - Hmm ... I think you may have one ... wait ...

Writing is a result of the combination of logic centers in our minds, it is simply an expression of communication. Our communication methods are more elaborate than other animals, but other animals do communicate as well. The logic traits that resulted in things like writing and structured linguistics are easily explained through the theory of evolution as species with the most complex communications systems could coordinate attacks and defenses much more easily, being capable of transmitting more complex concepts offers a tactical advantage over either prey or predator.
Not communication writing but story telling writing. Take for instance the book "evolution by means of natural selection" I think these kind of far fetched Sci-Fi writings so we are just too complex to have spawned from the Goo pool.

"The human eye - Already debunked"
No some one tried to explain how it happened. But did not satisfy very many Scientists. Again this shows where you and many like you are jumping at the first herring thrown their way. And that's what make for bad science.
The eye cannot be totally explained.
What one day an animal was just born with an eye? I know this is not how you religion tends to explain it. They love to throw in the billions and billions of years thing.

"Human morals - Easily explained by the theory of evolution."
Please do explain.

"The arts - Other animals exhibit art as well, fail canard."
But God created them too so where in evolution does art fall into? Why is it needed for survival?

"Music - Other animals sing, another fail canard."

See above!

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#9720 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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THE BIBLE WON'T FIT INTO ONE POST.
HEE SAAAAIIIIDDD, "TRYYYY POOOOSSSSTTTIIIINNNNGGG SOOOOMMMMEEETTTTHHHHIIIINNNGGG NNNOOOOONNNN BBBBIIIIAAAASSSSSEEEDDD.

There.

That was loud AND slow.

Maybe that will work.

<snork>

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#9721 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Just you? LOL.
So you're the loser I was describing. I thought as much.
But that's fine - it didn't really accomplish anything By the time they are removed, they've usually already been read anyway, so it doesn't make much difference. I reported your post 9433, and commented about it to the forum. It's been removed whether it accompllished anything or not - except that "turn about is fair play".
So you do whatever you need to do, and I'll do the same, lol.
No matter what, you won't succeed in your efforts to dictate your failed beliefs on me.
What failed beliefs?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#9722 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
the message of the Bible when speaking of the star, was not intended to be a science lesson.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Obviously, Dim. It was intended to be a history lesson. Science tells us that it couldn't have happened. That's a science lesson. Hope that helps.
KJV wrote:
"Obviously, Dim. It was intended to be a history lesson."

Wikipedia : the Star of Bethlehem, also called the Christmas Star,[1] revealed the birth of Jesus to the Biblical Magi, and later led them to Bethlehem.

Wikipedia : The star of Bethlehem (the word star being used in its astrological connotation, a portent associated with a heavenly configuration, as in the phrase "his star is rising")
Is there an argument here? I'm guessing that you presented it in semaphore or pantomime, and forgot that I couldn't see you.

Reason is a specific pathway for thought, and you just skidded off the road. Whatever your point was there, you seem to be trying to tie an obvious myth about a star and a journey to truth, history and science. You can't, except with yourself.

But you really should recognize that you can't make that story sound like it has any basis in historical fact to somebody that doesn't already need it to be.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#9723 Dec 30, 2012
KJV wrote:
"Science tells us that it couldn't have happened. That's a science lesson."

Actually this is wrong. Science tells us that this in fact did happen.
Oh. OK. Your word will be good enough.
KJV

United States

#9724 Dec 30, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>I don't find hypocrisy humorous.
You're one sick puppy.
So now you're claiming that we can't use a computer and software to prove things in the bible are indeed accurate.

You don't get to make the rules in here.
I'll continue to use science as I feel like it. And I will stand against bad science. Bad science is what you will try and protect with every cell in your body.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#9725 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>
So when you can rid the planet of the dominant religion, you'll go to work on the others?
LOL – good luck with that.
It's more that I deal with the superstitions that affect those close to me. Like I said, I am quite happy to point out the flaws and immorality of Islam, just like I am happy to point out the flaws and immorality of Christianity.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#9726 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Are science journals indistinguishable from fiction?
Pretty much so, yes. Science journals publish 20,000 fraudulent papers every year, which takes away their credibility.
What percentage is this of the *total* number of articles published?

I found a figure of 1,350,000 science articles published in 2006. Your figure of 20,000 fraudulent articles puts the fraud rate at about 1.5%. If you add to that the fact that the fraud is *detected* and *corrected* by the scientific community, you find that the overall credibility is quite high.
It's amazing how can atheists expect the public to believe in science when we find that much fraud.
Yet, it's amazing how atheists pathetically try to promote science as irrefutable. LOL
Who said it was irrefutable? In addition to the fraud, there are a LOT of honest mistakes made in the search for knowledge. We go down blind alleys and stumble a lot in our quest.

But the point is that we recover and correct our errors. Over time the mistakes are found and corrected; the fraud is detected, corrected, and the perpetrator punished.

This is a record *far* better than any other source of information you can find. But, as I pointed out before, on the cutting edge of research it is good to be cautious simply because science *is* a human endeavor and humans make mistakes.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#9727 Dec 30, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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The Bible's not biased?
Care to share its views on equality for women, gays, people of other religions, etc?
No, I didn't think he would.

I'm not surprised.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#9728 Dec 30, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Thanks. I was getting tired of having to quote Just Results. I lost the link to Langoliers making similar comments
<quoted text>
Yes, I am.
There's another one who's full of rage and seething hatred.

I can't quite recall his name.

Doctor Who?

Or something like that.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#9729 Dec 30, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Good call! I didn't recognize what Dim was up to.
Thanks

It certainly looks like the mods have fired a shot across his bows.
KJV

United States

#9730 Dec 30, 2012
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>Nor do I. But the use of "computer simulations" aka "computer programs that produce any result you want" as "proof" of anything .... how is that not hysterical??
How is it?
What? only atheist can use computers and AKA software?

"produce any result you want" as "proof" of anything"

What is wrong with you? This is no computer simulation that can be adjust to get predetermined results.

So how many socks does this make for you septic?
KJV

United States

#9731 Dec 30, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>Put up a link or STFU.

Moron.
Hey moron there are at least 4 post with links. Do you own home work. Like I'm here to be your little house mouse.

Read or STFU
KJV

United States

#9732 Dec 30, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Granted.^_^ That is kind of funny.
What's funny his ignorance or his lies?
KJV

United States

#9733 Dec 30, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Lol

What a fine ambassador for love and tolerance KJV actually is!
Stay away from matches.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9734 Dec 30, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
KittenKoder: said
"No, "moral" behavior is not conducive to survival because morality is a social construct and is often used to justify murder, rape, torture, and a slew of other actions which weaken our species."
I'm not following you here. Morality is used to justify murder? Not the lack of morality?
"ethical and equal treatment are,"(part of survival)
As your great leader once said "by means of natural selection"
How can equal treatment be a means of survival of the species and work with "natural selection" ( survival of the fittest ). Equal treatment does not allow for the strongest to survive to pass along the best genes. All genes are passed along if everyone was treated equal, weakening the species.
Morals are subjective, they are not any specific set of rules and laws. You have yours fed to you, which means they are not your morals, and therefore they can be made to say anything.

Yes, morals are what people use to justify any action, even murder, rape, etc. You cannot lack something that is subjective, you merely have a different version of it.

You moral on killing: Murder is wrong unless commanded by some god. The god typically speaks through the preachers, therefore what the preachers say is god's word, therefore when they say to kill it's a command from god.

My moral on killing: Murder is wrong, end of story.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9735 Dec 30, 2012
KJV wrote:
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What's funny [my] ignorance or his lies?
You misspelled "my" in that post. So I corrected it for you.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9736 Dec 30, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
How is it?
What? only atheist can use computers and AKA software?
"produce any result you want" as "proof" of anything"
What is wrong with you? This is no computer simulation that can be adjust to get predetermined results.
So how many socks does this make for you septic?
Only those who do not spread lies about scientific research can use a computer without being a hypocrite.

It's not rocket science.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9737 Dec 30, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
You're one sick puppy.
So now you're claiming that we can't use a computer and software to prove things in the bible are indeed accurate.
You don't get to make the rules in here.
I'll continue to use science as I feel like it. And I will stand against bad science. Bad science is what you will try and protect with every cell in your body.
Saying that when idiots like you use computers is hypocrisy is "sick" to you? Explains why preachers, straight parents, and a slew of religious people get away with molestations so much.

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