Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9677 Dec 30, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Okay, so the religion you choose to believe isn't mumbo jumbo, but all the others are? How do you explain that hypocrisy?
I doubt that he chose it. It was probably passed down to him, his parents most likely didn't choose it either, nor his grandparents, nor his great grandparents. It has probably been handed down for many generations, with not a single person actually knowing it's contents or actually choosing it. Had his forefathers been born in other regions of the planet, he might very well be arguing that being Islamic or Hindu, is the only correct religious affiliation, and all the rest are false.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#9678 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>LOL - They were all my own words except the link which explains that Dr. Dipak Das allegedly falsified scientific data more than 100 times.

It's interesting that you don't find that disturbing. Why would you support something you know to be false? Don't you want the truth to be known?

How can we know what science we can believe when there are so many like Dr. Das who are publishing false information, and there are people like you who support his work?
Never heard of Das.

How's your computer working?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#9679 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>I agree that there are certain religions that contain mumbo jumbo (I love that description).

That's why I believe in Christianity, which is the truth.

What about the mumbo jumbo we get from fraudulent science?

You're okay with that?
So Christianity contains no Mumbai jumbo?

Okely dokely.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#9680 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible won't fit into one post.
He said, "Try posting something that's not biased and people may actually read it."

Should I post that in all caps for you?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#9681 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>I will be happy to address your observation, Khatru.

Since there are atheist posters to the forum who do not want to see material about fraudulent science (because the truth about it makes them uncomfortable) and they have the idea they can be winners if they eliminate any dissenting view (which doesn't make them winners) they chose to announce to the forum that my posts should be reported.

I believe you are already aware of this, since you have been reading the forum on a regular basis, so you haven't made some new and brilliant discovery.

As I commented previously, anyone has the right to report posts, so whatever they want to do - that's fine. I do not need to copy and paste material directly from any link. However, their efforts to suppress the truth will not succeed. I will describe the content in my own words, and provide the link, rather than copying the content directly. This won't please atheists who want to hide scientific fraud, but it isn't my goal to please atheists, lol.

In the meanwhile, I will make a practice of reporting all posts that contain inappropriate language and all posts considered abusive, which is only reasonable. However, I may not notify the forum when and / or which posts I report.

And, In reference to your post 9609, unlike you, I don't consider abusive posts with inappropriate language as “nothing at all”(your words). I do realize, however, that you consider any post from one of your fellow atheists as okay, while you would support them in “reporting” the opposing view. This is quite typical of your kind of justice and morality, and confirms that you, like the others, feel that winning is by dictating your beliefs through suppressing the voice of your opponent. You, like them, want the truth hidden; erased from public view, just like the fraudulent scientists I've posted about. That, my friend, is not winning. It's losing.
My objection-yes, dipshit. I reported you-was that you were loading page after page with cut and paste articles that you could have just linked to with a brief description.

They made navigating the threads cumbersome and time consuming.

You were being inconsiderate to every other poster, but your religion allows that as long as you're lying for Jesus.

You don't understand skepticism at all, do you.

It means skepticism of science.

I don't need to be skeptical of religion. I KNOW it's all BS.

All I have to do is look at you for proof.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#9682 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
The included link describes “Atheism” as the “No God” religion. Even though atheism isn't ordinarily thought of as a religion, it actually is.

Atheism is a faith of it's own.

Atheists have certain “Tenets of Faith.”

And don't forget “The Atheists' Creed”...

Atheism is an ideology that is bleak and hopeless.

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/153...

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Your opinion doesn't count.

Atheism has no tenets.

No matter how hard you keep trying to bring us down to your level, it won't work.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#9683 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree that there are certain religions that contain mumbo jumbo (I love that description).
That's why I believe in Christianity, which is the truth.
What about the mumbo jumbo we get from fraudulent science?
You're okay with that?
Your religion is no more the truth than Islam is to a Muslim.

Whatever fraudulent acts are perpetrated by less-than-credible individuals, the scientific community will invariably falsify them for the lies they are and leave those individuals discredited.

It's a shame that religion doesn't adhere to the same high standards of policing its ranks.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#9684 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Have you ever noticed how atheists focus in on Christians, and try to dictate their beliefs to Christians?

Funny how atheists don't seem too concerned about other religions.

That's because they recognize Christianity as the one true religion.

Thank you, atheists, for your failure to dictate your beliefs to Christians, and for confirming to us that you recognize the one true God of the Bible.
Christians are all we've got, or hadn't you noticed.

Your persecution complex is showing.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#9685 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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The Bible won't fit into one post.
The Bible's not biased?

Care to share its views on equality for women, gays, people of other religions, etc?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#9686 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>
I will be happy to address your observation, Khatru.
Since there are atheist posters to the forum who do not want to see material about fraudulent science (because the truth about it makes them uncomfortable) and they have the idea they can be winners if they eliminate any dissenting view (which doesn't make them winners) they chose to announce to the forum that my posts should be reported.
I believe you are already aware of this, since you have been reading the forum on a regular basis, so you haven't made some new and brilliant discovery.
As I commented previously, anyone has the right to report posts, so whatever they want to do - that's fine. I do not need to copy and paste material directly from any link. However, their efforts to suppress the truth will not succeed. I will describe the content in my own words, and provide the link, rather than copying the content directly. This won't please atheists who want to hide scientific fraud, but it isn't my goal to please atheists, lol.
In the meanwhile, I will make a practice of reporting all posts that contain inappropriate language and all posts considered abusive, which is only reasonable. However, I may not notify the forum when and / or which posts I report.
And, In reference to your post 9609, unlike you, I don't consider abusive posts with inappropriate language as “nothing at all”(your words). I do realize, however, that you consider any post from one of your fellow atheists as okay, while you would support them in “reporting” the opposing view. This is quite typical of your kind of justice and morality, and confirms that you, like the others, feel that winning is by dictating your beliefs through suppressing the voice of your opponent. You, like them, want the truth hidden; erased from public view, just like the fraudulent scientists I've posted about. That, my friend, is not winning. It's losing.
You're being somewhat presumptuous and quite disingenuous.

I have no problem with your posts as they continually show the strength and reliability of science and the scientific community.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#9687 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Atheists attack community landmarks.

Why?

In order to dictate their beliefs.

http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-attacks-communi...

Atheists keep trying, but they keep failing.

The majority rules and will not allow atheists to dictate their beliefs.

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And here's a good response:
They're just doing their duty to help enforce the U.S. Constitution. They're tired of people sidestepping the law and want to do something about it. If it requires the element of shock, then so be it. The religious bullies started this crap years ago and now you're scared the non-religious victims are going to finish it. Do the right thing and help them fix it. Don't be scared... join the fight and get right. They don't want to destroy the sites, they just want them removed from government land. You can always put them on private land. Perhaps the local church groups could rally together, buy some land, and turn it into a memorial park for these historical items.... just a thought. You could include the reason why they were moved, but make sure you tell the truth and not some deragatory bullcrap.
the1observant, Fayetteville,North Carolina,United States,US Saturday, May 5, 2012

You guys don't like it when the tables get turned on you, do you?

Pretty soon you'll know what it's like to be marginalized and excluded.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#9688 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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So you're a Bible believer except for one chapter in Leviticus?
You know, I think all of us have some passages we have questions about, but when we study the Bible, we can find the answers to most legitimate concerns.
I would suggest that you read a Bible commentary on that passage to help you understand it and that should help you clear up any misconceptions you may have about it.
What are you then?

Do you believe everything the Bible says?

Or do you just believe your particular interpretation of what the Bible says?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#9689 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
The included link describes “Atheism” as the “No God” religion. Even though atheism isn't ordinarily thought of as a religion, it actually is.
Atheism is a faith of it's own.
Atheists have certain “Tenets of Faith.”
And don't forget “The Atheists' Creed”...
Atheism is an ideology that is bleak and hopeless.
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/153...
No copyrighted material was reproduced in this post.
The Christian Courier?

I've never heard of it.

This is what passes for your source of impartial and unbiased information?

No doubt they have equally unbiased views on evolution, women, gays and other religions.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#9690 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Have you ever noticed how atheists focus in on Christians, and try to dictate their beliefs to Christians?
Funny how atheists don't seem too concerned about other religions.
That's because they recognize Christianity as the one true religion.
Thank you, atheists, for your failure to dictate your beliefs to Christians, and for confirming to us that you recognize the one true God of the Bible.
More disingenuous nonsense.

Come on, Dim - you can do better than that.

Topix is based in America and the majority of Americans are Christians. What do you expect?

You know what your post does prove, though?

It proves that you don't believe your own statistics:

Many times on this thread, you and others have gone to some length to point out what you believe to be the low levels of atheism. Yet despite those perceived low levels, you're still in here spouting your nonsense.

Why is that?

Why aren't you in the Islamic or Buddhist forums?

I'll tell you why.

It's because you don't believe your own propaganda. Your claims that atheism is at exceedingly low levels are belied by your actions. Clearly, you see atheism as the greatest threat to your myth or you wouldn't be in here.

Are you concerned about Islam supplanting Christianity as the main religion? Obviously not.

Are you worried about atheism and its rise to prominence?

Absolutely!

Thank you Christians for showing that you don't believe your own propaganda and for confirming to us that you're more ill at ease over the rise of atheism than you are over the rise of Islam.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#9691 Dec 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Atheists attack community landmarks.
Why?
In order to dictate their beliefs.
http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-attacks-communi...
Atheists keep trying, but they keep failing.
The majority rules and will not allow atheists to dictate their beliefs.
No copyrighted material was reproduced in this post.
So you have no problems with the open display of religious symbols?

No doubt you're supportive of satanists displaying their pentagrams?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#9692 Dec 30, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it is simply that Christianity is the dominant religion where most of us live. I am more than happy to point out the many flaws in Islam or Judaism also, but most of the fundamentalists I have to deal with are Christian, not Islamic or Jewish.
This is borne out by the fact that relatively few Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc frequent these boards.

However, on the rare occasions when they do, they're treated no differently to the many Christians that come here to be mocked.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#9693 Dec 30, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
At the cutting edge of research, it is a good idea to take any pronouncement with a grain of salt. For those topics that have been settled in the scientific community for more than, say, 10-20 years, you don't have to wait any longer.
"Science is a very human form of knowledge. We are always at the brink of the known, we always feel forward for what is to be hoped. Every judgement in science stands on the edge of error, and is personal. Science is a tribute to what we can know although we are fallible."

Dr Jacob Bronowski

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#9694 Dec 30, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
So Christianity contains no Mumbai jumbo?
Okely dokely.
Mumbai jumbo?

I'm so going to use that if we ever get a Hindu on here!
KJV

United States

#9695 Dec 30, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>No, "moral" behavior is not conducive to survival because morality is a social construct and is often used to justify murder, rape, torture, and a slew of other actions which weaken our species.

However ethical and equal treatment are, and they are the result of natural pressures combined with genetic mutations, resulting in a stronger social construct and thus a more adaptable species.
KittenKoder: said

"No, "moral" behavior is not conducive to survival because morality is a social construct and is often used to justify murder, rape, torture, and a slew of other actions which weaken our species."

I'm not following you here. Morality is used to justify murder? Not the lack of morality?

"ethical and equal treatment are,"(part of survival)

As your great leader once said "by means of natural selection"

How can equal treatment be a means of survival of the species and work with "natural selection" ( survival of the fittest ). Equal treatment does not allow for the strongest to survive to pass along the best genes. All genes are passed along if everyone was treated equal, weakening the species.
KJV

United States

#9696 Dec 30, 2012
EmpAtheist wrote:
Morality isn't always as black and white either. Like if you lied that you weren't hiding any Jews during the Holocaust... That is a violation of the big 10.

I don't know... we all know not to rape and murder even though the people with the book with god commanding rape and murder are telling atheists that without god there is nothing holding them back from rape and murder.... wtf.

Regardless of where morality comes from... atheists are moral....many atheists seem to be humanists fighting for equal human rights. Also Christians tend to be more moral than what their bible tells them...

I will be worried when the bible literalists loose their moral filters
Please point out where God says go rape and murder.

"Like if you lied that you weren't hiding any Jews during the Holocaust... That is a violation of the big 10."

You do not know the book you're attacking. The Bible in whole is used for the Christian faith. Picking out one line or another is not how the Christian faith works. The over all meaning of the Bible honors someone risking their life to save another.( as in this case a totally innocent person who would be killed if revealed simply because of their faith )

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