Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#9572 Dec 29, 2012
derek4 wrote:
the message of the Bible when speaking of the star, was not intended to be a science lesson.
Obviously, Dim. It was intended to be a history lesson.

Science tells us that it couldn't have happened. That's a science lesson.

Hope that helps.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#9573 Dec 29, 2012
KJV wrote:
Dude it's just chemical reaction in one mutated brain vs another if evolution is correct. You have to agree with that if you believe in evolution.
Disagree. Fallacy of scale.
KJV wrote:
"Whence morality?... Two and a half millennia of debate have, however, failed to produce a satisfactory answer. So now it is time for someone else to have a go. Perhaps [biologists] can eventually do what philosophers have never managed, and explain moral behavior in an intellectually satisfying way."
Not correct. We know where morals come from. Basic urges, such as protecting our young, are instinctual. And many other behaviors conducive to survival in man and beast alike are also gifts of evolution.

From these roots, human culture takes over. Here's how we do it today, so called rational ethics :

People decide how they would like to live. Most want to be happy as they understand it, which means that they want what it takes to achieve that state. They want to feel safe, to have enough, to feel loved, to express themselves, and to have the opportunity to pursue those things that make them happy. That means having leisure time, good health, sufficient means, the wisdom to pursue worthy the goals, and the skills to achieve them.

We've learned from our own lives and from reading about the past that most of us want those things. And we understand that the best way to achieve this is cooperatively, with rules of living that maximize opportunities to achieve happiness.

How should we agree to proceed to achieve a society with the greatest opportunity to pursue happiness for the greatest number? How shall we agree to behave to create that world?

We decide which values embody those goals - kindness, tolerance, freedom, peace, integrity, etc. Once we have identified our goals, we must decide which rules facilitate them. Some of these rules will be laws, such as 'don't kill or steal' and some are customs and traditions, such as sharing and cheerfulness.

Over time, we apply a science of practical ethics, applying reason and compassion to tweak the goals and the rules to support them, and observing their effects on our world. Sometimes, we make a mistake, as with alcohol prohibition. Our rule,the Eighteenth Amendment, was paradoxically counterproductive, and inadvertently INCREASED total misery. So we tweaked the rule back into oblivion with the Twenty-First Amendment.

Where's the mystery? Moral behavior is conducive to survival and happiness. Why wouldn't it exist?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#9574 Dec 29, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>KK motto: I have to attack and say something even if it's something stupid

"exact same ignorance"

2000 years ago Planets were called wandering stars.(What the word planet meant when it was first used on the "planets".) The Star of Bethlehem was a figure 8 of two planets Venus "The Mother planet" and Jupiter "The King Planet" crowned Regulus the King Star 3 times in the constellation Leo "The King constellation"
Today's computers shows this exactly.

Yes the star of Bethlehem was real and it did exactly what the Bible said it did.
.
No it didn't.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#9576 Dec 29, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
I find it hard to believe a massive tit could type
Hunt and pec:
http://www.myspace.com/31137699/blog/14186424...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#9577 Dec 29, 2012
KJV wrote:
Stupid ness cannot offend intelligentsia.
That had to hurt to type. I'll bet you used your tit.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#9578 Dec 29, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Keep trying to convince yourself, but tomorrow won't be any better for you, and just wait until you find out what a BLAST you're going to have in eternity; lol.
Are you shaking your Scary Chicken On A Stick at us again, Dim?

"Arise, chicken! Arise!"

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#9579 Dec 29, 2012
Everything in the christian bible was taken from Ancient Pagan Texts that pre-dated it by thousands of years. This has been proven time and time again, and is becoming harder and harder for christians to deny. By examining various Ancient Pagan Texts and comparing the epics and stories within with the bible, it can be clearly seen how the bible has simply copied these texts, only changing a few minor details such as the names of people or places.One good example of this copying of Text is the story of "Noah's Ark". A very similar epic appeared some thousands of years before the bible in Ancient Sumeria. Only, in the Ancient Sumerian Epic, Enki (The God of Science and Engineering) appeared to Ziusudra and instructed him to build a boat that would be able to withstand a large wave of water, as some of the other Gods had been planning to let humanity suffer in the coming deluge. Enki also instructed Ziusudra to take onto the boat the "seeds of life", so that after the flood, life could be sustained on earth once again.
This epic appeared thousands of years before "Noah's Ark" of the bible.

Adam and Eve were stolen from the Egyptian Geb and Nut 5
The "Twelve Tribes of Israel" like the Twelve Disciples of Christ are based upon the twelve signs of the Zodiac.

Jewish Lot and his wife were stolen from the Greek Orpheus and Eurydice
Jewish Yaweh replaces the Greek God Hades
derek4 wrote:
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Reporting post to moderators.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#9580 Dec 29, 2012
Ruse.
KJV wrote:
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Yes
"derek4 wrote:
The below link is from Michael Ruse, atheist, authot, and philsopher of biology at Florida State University. In his conclusion, he makes the point of the damage atheists are doing in fighting to keep creationism out of public schools. He goes on to explain that the first ammendment doesn't ban teaching science in schools – but if atheists get it established that Creationism is SCIENCE rather than religion, then they are creating a problem for themselves which will work against them.
Also, he explains that if teaching that God exists is a religion, then it's also a religion to teach God does not exist.
He sees P.Z. Myers as a “disaster”, lol.
He also says that “The God Delusion”(book) made him “ashamed” to be an atheist.
Thank you, Mr. Ruse.
http://blog.beliefnet.com/scienceandthesacred...
Statements in this post were authored by the poster and are not copyrighted material."
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#9581 Dec 29, 2012
Another empty threat from another empty religitard.
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep trying to convince yourself, but tomorrow won't be any better for you, and just wait until you find out what a BLAST you're going to have in eternity; lol.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9582 Dec 29, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
I sit corrected.
KJV

United States

#9583 Dec 29, 2012
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>Did you notice it was the scientific community that discovered the flaws in the work? No! Of course you didn't.

That is the business of science, correcting itself when it is wrong. That's how and why it has advanced our society out of the Dark Ages that Christianity created.

When does religion correct itself?... Never! Christianity is as wrong as it was when Christians butchered Hypatia of Alexandria.
"Did you notice it was the scientific community that discovered the flaws in the work? No! Of course you didn't. "

Yes of they found some. Not all by any means
KJV

United States

#9584 Dec 29, 2012
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>Did you notice it was the scientific community that discovered the flaws in the work? No! Of course you didn't.

That is the business of science, correcting itself when it is wrong. That's how and why it has advanced our society out of the Dark Ages that Christianity created.

When does religion correct itself?... Never! Christianity is as wrong as it was when Christians butchered Hypatia of Alexandria.
"That is the business of science, correcting itself when it is wrong."

It's also the business of the law to stop fraud. Which they find way more of in science then science does.

"When does religion correct itself?... "

All the time!!! Every time older documents are found they make the appropriate changes to the Bible. It's usually pretty miner changes but they do keep the Bible updated with the oldest know writings. And no one goes to jail for fraud. LOL
KJV

United States

#9585 Dec 29, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>You both make far too many blind assumptions. Hint: Most of those complaining were not the ones reporting.
When someone on the team gets called for holding then the whole team gets penalized.
KJV

United States

#9586 Dec 29, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>So, stating a simple fact is abuse to you. Yeah, that works. You can linguine, but you can't cook, that is fact. You regurgitate everything, never thinking for yourself, never speaking for yourself. You lack the free will and capability of choosing your own words, a side effect of being brainwashed that is ignored far too often. When you do manage to muster up some actual thoughts of your own, they are nothing but on-liners, quips, and lame insults that miss their targets every time, demonstrating a bully mentality. You disregard for anything that opposes what you have been fed, combined with your bully mentality, demonstrates an inferiority complex, though that is only a likely possibility as the evidence is still not strong enough to make such a suggestion with any levity.

Your mind is akin to Swiss cheese, and you crammed the holes with other people's ideas instead of forming your own or learning anything. To sum up the above which you will not read anyway.
"So, stating a simple fact is abuse to you. "

Seriously? This kind of statement is all BS and you know it.
F-bombs and other profanity does not need to be tolerated.

Now KK you know that when a Theist post some thing they get the full scale on slot from the atheist. They ask for degrees or link ( or it's BS ). Why even when the link or professor is quote they are written off as writing about something out of their field of expertise.
Or an unreliable sources Like scientific journal or the New York Times.

You need to do better.
KJV

United States

#9587 Dec 29, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Somebody on another thread was asking why I thought Christians would still want to burn heretics. He thinks that you've been cured of your sadism. I hope you don't mind that I quoted you:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
Don't mind at all. I hope you're capable of differentiating between sarcasm and real intent.
If not you could have a pretty rough go of it.
KJV

United States

#9588 Dec 29, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>And Shakespeare is nothing more than letters, spaces and punctuation.

Fallacy of scale. It is from the community of specific chemicals working in tandem and considered collectively that humanity emerges.

You don't find humanity focusing on this chemical or that one - this amino acid or that chloride ion. You can't see humanity at that scale. You're too close, just as you can't see rain or even wetness looking at one water molecule.

You can also miss humanity if you step too far away and look at too big a piece - the other pole of the fallacy of scale. That happens when you make comments such as, "in the grand scheme of things, man doesn't matter."

That's correct, but we don't live at the scale of all time and space any more than we do at the scale of molecules.

Incidentally, the brain's chemistry is hardly random.
Well again I believe in creation so that would mean I believe man has a brain that is not just randomness. Great writings, art, poetry, music.

If evolution really did happen and brought forth all this life on earth then everything we see is the product of randomness and mutations. Then also the thoughts in our mind would have to follow this same line of randomness.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#9589 Dec 29, 2012
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you notice it was the scientific community that discovered the flaws in the work? No! Of course you didn't.
That is the business of science, correcting itself when it is wrong. That's how and why it has advanced our society out of the Dark Ages that Christianity created.
When does religion correct itself?... Never! Christianity is as wrong as it was when Christians butchered Hypatia of Alexandria.
Have you noticed how long it takes the scientific community to discover their flaws, and the damage that occurs before fraudulent scientific papers eventually get retracted? Some are never corrected. The peer review system has failed us.

http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/846/94/h...

Some fraud is never retracted even after it's found. When will science retract errors in textbooks?

http://amasci.com/miscon/miscon.html

My faith is in the Bible.

Your faith is in fraudulent science.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#9590 Dec 29, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
So, stating a simple fact is abuse to you. Yeah, that works. You can linguine, but you can't cook, that is fact. You regurgitate everything, never thinking for yourself, never speaking for yourself. You lack the free will and capability of choosing your own words, a side effect of being brainwashed that is ignored far too often. When you do manage to muster up some actual thoughts of your own, they are nothing but on-liners, quips, and lame insults that miss their targets every time, demonstrating a bully mentality. You disregard for anything that opposes what you have been fed, combined with your bully mentality, demonstrates an inferiority complex, though that is only a likely possibility as the evidence is still not strong enough to make such a suggestion with any levity.
Your mind is akin to Swiss cheese, and you crammed the holes with other people's ideas instead of forming your own or learning anything. To sum up the above which you will not read anyway.
Atheists do not state facts, lol.

I always read your posts, Kitten. They are what I call “light reading”, since they never say anything. But as long as you feel better after your breakdown rant, that's all that matters, lmao.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#9591 Dec 29, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
When someone on the team gets called for holding then the whole team gets penalized.
So it's ok for us to hold all christians responsible for abortion clinic bombings and the Westboro Baptist church?

Ok.

I'm good with that.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#9592 Dec 29, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems he knows where the larger market is.
Did you actually read the book? Or is it your intent to link us to where we can buy it.
I think that's what's called spam and is reportable.
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