Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11178 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Star Press.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#8452 Dec 14, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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YOUR material?
That's a laugh.
And dishonest, too.
Not surprising.
Lol

I know.

Not only does he lie but he also claims that it's his material.

He has no shame.

Since: Nov 11

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#8453 Dec 14, 2012
Thinking wrote:
The 2011 government Census for England and Wales reported over 6 million more non-believers in the UK alone in the last 10 years.
Have you got 1,800 new conversion posts, for England and Wales only, for each day, and every day for the last 10 years?
That's 12,600 new names every week, so get posting, christard!
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I find your input fascinating. But please allow me to enlarge on it for you:

“While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining. This may be because birth rates in religious societies are much higher.[10] This is similar to a 2002 survey by Adherents.com , which estimates the proportion of the world's people who are "secular, non-religious, agnostics and atheists" at about 14%. A 2004 survey by the BBC in 10 countries showed the proportion of the population "who don't believe in God" varying between 0%(Nigeria) and 39%(UK), with an average close to 17% in the countries surveyed. About 8% of the respondents stated specifically that they consider themselves to be atheists. 65% of those polled in a 2011 survey by the British Humanist Association answered no to the question "Are you religious?".[Poster's insert within brackets: Apparently the British are drifting away from God, unfortunately. However, answering “no” to the question,“Are you religious”- does not label the respondent atheist. Many other nations are not growing in atheist numbers – in fact in those countries, atheism is rapidly declining; i.e. China, Nigeria, Japan, and many others.]“A 2004 survey by the CIA in the World Factbook estimates about 12.5% of the world's population are non-religious, and about 2.4% are atheists.[14] A 2004 survey by the Pew Research Center showed that in the United States, 12% of people under 30 and 6% of people over 30 could be characterized as non-religious.[15] A 2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic), while France had the most skeptics (19% atheist, 16% agnostic). On the religion question, South Korea had the greatest percentage without a religion (41%) while Italy had the smallest (5%).”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_...

Since: Nov 11

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#8454 Dec 14, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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Four posts from you to me.
I must really be getting under your skin now.
Or is it that the troll is being trolled?
Four? Wow. Well, that just shows what a joy you are to me. I always owe you a debt of gratitude for the many times you're brought Noah's wisdom to our attention. And hold your head way up high and be proud of yourself - don't ever call yourself a troll. Let me do that for you. It's a pleasure, lol.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#8455 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
..[Japan] 75 percent considered themselves Buddhists, 19 percent Shintoists, while 12 percent considered themselves to be Christians.
Do you think Buddhists, Shintoists, Muslims etc are saved? Even without believing in Jesus?

Since: Nov 11

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#8456 Dec 14, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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Lol
I know.
Not only does he lie but he also claims that it's his material.
He has no shame.
Oh, no, I don't claim authorship of the material I post. It is "my material" only in the sense the posts were mine where the material appeared. But - tell you what I'll do, and just because you're special to me, and you liked the material so much that I posted, I'll allow you to claim it as YOUR material. That will be my Christmas gift to you. I know that will make you happy. LOL
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#8457 Dec 14, 2012
Derek, do you really believe in a literal hell, as a place of eternal punishment, or that it is a state of mind? I find it hard to believe anyone could believe in such a place.

Since: Nov 11

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#8458 Dec 14, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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No doubt when he's singing "Rock-a-bye baby" he sings about "when the bow breaks".
Maybe today I'll reply to more than just 4 of your posts. After all, I don't want you to feel neglected. I appreciate you in a way that's hard to describe.

Now when that bow breaks, you just be sure you don't fall too hard and hurt yourself - unless your old rump is nice and fat like your mouth to cushion you.

LMAO

Since: Nov 11

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#8459 Dec 14, 2012
Adam wrote:
Derek, do you really believe in a literal hell, as a place of eternal punishment, or that it is a state of mind? I find it hard to believe anyone could believe in such a place.
Adam, if you don't believe in God, obviously you would "find it hard to believe anyone could believe in such a place" (hell)- it goes without saying.

It is almost like asking me if I accept some fine point within the theory of evolution when I have already stated I reject the theory of evolution as a whole.

Is MY personal perception of hell relevant to your rejection or acceptance of Christianity?

Does your belief or disbelief in hell, or my conception of hell change hell or it's reality or lack thereof in any way?

The answer to both questions is obviously "no", so it's a pointless discussion for us to have.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#8460 Dec 14, 2012
You were dumb enough to post it here so it falls on you.

Seriously are you this stupid?
derek4 wrote:
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How unfortunate that you didn't share your vast wisdom with the web page publishers of the link I posted so they can learn the meaning of “atheist”, as you define it. I expect it has a very profound meaning to you, doesn't it? But without your input, how will the publishers know? How will they be able to carry on? Who knows - once you've enlightened them, taught them, educated them, they may be able to find you a position on their staff! You could have a great future, lmao.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#8461 Dec 14, 2012
Child killer Andrea Yates needs to hear more words from the lord it seems.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/28/10...

It has been 10 years since Andrea Yates was first convicted of drowning each of her five children in the bathtub in a Houston suburb. Since then, her murder conviction has been overturned, she has been found not guilty by reason of insanity on retrial, and she was placed in a state psychiatric hospital. Now her lawyer says that she will ask for a pass to leave the hospital two hours a week to attend church, the Houston Chronicle reported.

Her defense attorney, George Parnham, told the Chronicle that her doctors would write a judge asking Yates, 47, for a therapeutic pass. It was unclear what church she would attend or whether she would be escorted during these visits.

Parnham said he believes she is ready to leave the San Antonio hospital, get a job and live on her own.

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"I think she’s ready for outpatient care," Parnham told the Chronicle.

Yates became religious when she was dating her husband, Rusty Yates, and he introduced her to Michael Peter Woroniecki, a nondenominational preacher who influenced them to shed their possessions and move into a bus.

Parnham told ABC News that the church she requested is "180 degrees different from the ramblings of that hell, fire and brimstone preacher. She would just like to get back into a stable church whereby God and Christianity become a role in her life. There's nothing nefarious about that."

Initially, Yates was convicted of capital murder for the 2002 deaths of her children – Noah, 7, John, 5, Paul, 3, Luke, 2, and Mary, 6 months. Prosecutors at the time said she chased her eldest around the house after he watched Yates kill the other four. Yates, who had struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts, had been released from a psychiatric hospital weeks before.

Jury: Yates not guilty by reason of insanity

Rusty Yates, Yates' husband at the time, said in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning, America" that they exchange e-mails about once a week and speak by phone every month. He has since remarried and has a son, Mark, with his new wife. He has shown Yates pictures of him.

"She's like,'He's so cute,'" Rusty Yates said. "She was pretty excited."

He said he didn't blame her for murdering his five children.
"Even though it was horribly wrong, it was horribly hurtful to me, my family, everybody, it's really the illness, you know, that caused this, not her," Rusty Yates said on ABC. "So I can't blame her."

That's Christians for you!
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#8462 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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The answer to both questions is obviously "no", so it's a pointless discussion for us to have.
I am just asking the question out of interest, not to score points.

Do you believe in a literal hell?

And btw you can believe in evolution, or disbelieve in literal hell, and still believe in God. One thing does not depend on another.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#8463 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Four? Wow. Well, that just shows what a joy you are to me. I always owe you a debt of gratitude for the many times you're brought Noah's wisdom to our attention. And hold your head way up high and be proud of yourself - don't ever call yourself a troll. Let me do that for you. It's a pleasure, lol.
You missed the rest of my post.

Allow me....
Khatru wrote:
Whatever way you look at it, I gave you the opportunity to explain your lies and you flopped.

Can't say I'm surprised.
There. No doubt you feel all the better for that.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#8464 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Thank you for enligtening us. Glad to know Mr. Dawkins isn't an atheist. It's hard to express my gratitude to you for your valued post.
Agnostic atheist is still an atheist. Idiot.

Since: Sep 12

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#8465 Dec 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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"Prove There's No God"
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TCVAJUD...
"Prove There is No God"
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TEMDEBM...
"prove there is no god"
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
"Atheists can't prove there is no God"
http://www.topix.com/forum/chicago/TOKM54204J...
"All you ATHEIST nuts out there, PROVE there is NO God!"
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T5MRGSE...
Good point

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#8466 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Thanks for your mini essay. You know, you're always free to share your wisdom with the publishers of dictionaries, but posting your special gift of insight in the forum won't really do anything. Be sure to advise the publishers of your credentials so they can give sufficient consideration to your valuable input.
Most dictionaries have relatively balanced entries on atheists and atheism. That's true of Webster's more compendious print dictionaries as well. The entry in my copy of Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, published in 1987, defines 'atheism' as:

1 a: disbelief in the existence of deity
b: the doctrine that there is no deity

2: UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS

and 'atheist' as: one who denies the existence of God.

The same dictionary defines 'deny' as

1: to declare untrue

2: to disclaim connection with or responsibility for : DISAVOW

3: a: to give a negative answer to
b: to refuse to grant
c: to restrain (oneself) from gratification or desires

4 archaic DECLINE

5: to refuse to accept the existence, truth, or validity of

In the context of the definition of atheism, I think entries 1 and 5 are the best fits. I don't know of any other dictionary, though, that lists 'wickedness' as a synonym for atheism. It is a departure from the basic principles of lexicography to incorporate personal bias into definitions. Merriam-Webster's editors should have known better and probably would not have listed it as such if not for their hero worship for Webster himself.

Since: Sep 12

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#8467 Dec 14, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
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As an individual, you have every right to express your views as long as you are not inciting a riot, creating a dangerous panic in a crowd, or preaching sedition or treason. The problem comes when a religious organization like the LDS exceeds the limitations imposed on it as a 501(c)(3) organization. In order to enjoy the tax exemptions enjoyed by such organizations, they must also abide by rules that limit its political activities. The LDS brazenly flouts IRS regulations and still expects to benefit from its provisions. That makes LDS's leaders scofflaws and hypocrites, unworthy of any respect from anyone outside of its cadre of zombies.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not make any cash contributions to the "Yes on 8" campaign.

"COMMENTARY — 2 FEBRUARY 2009
Church Clarifies Proposition 8 Filing, Corrects Erroneous News Reports
Today The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints clarified erroneous news reports following the filing of its final report on donations to the ProtectMarriage.com coalition.

On Friday, 30 January, the Church filed the final report of its contributions (all of which were non-monetary) to the ProtectMarriage.com coalition. The report, submitted in advance of the 31 January deadline, details in-kind donations totaling $189,903.58.

The value of the Church’s in-kind (non-monetary) contribution is less than one half of one percent of the total funds (approximately $40 million) raised for the “Yes on 8” campaign. The Church did not make any cash contribution."

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-...

The church did not violate tax regulations with kinds of donations offered, though there was a small fine for a late disclosure of in-kind contributions.

see: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700038678/...

News clips are misleading. When forming opinions it can be helpful to look at source material rather than hearsay.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#8468 Dec 14, 2012
It should be noted that even the word 'atheist' is context sensitive--I think that all words are. Demography, for instance, demands a consistency that does not allow for change in meanings over time. Thus, in the context of Pew and ARIS polls,'atheist' and 'agnostic' reflect the popular definitions of the early-to-mid twentieth century and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. In the mean time, atheists themselves have refined the definitions to make for more precise categories.

In order to see how a study fits those definitions, new analyses have to be undertaken based on the batteries of questions in each poll. Fortunately, Pew and ARIS, truly professional demographers and statisticians, provide that information along with the rest of the pertinent metadata. Thus, we can analyze the data based on statement of belief as well as self-identification. The two don't always coincide as neatly as one would like, and we see that some self-identified atheists respond more like believers and vice versa. But in the final analysis, the continuing decline of religion and rise of nonbelief is clear. It is also clear that the rate of that change is slowing, indicating that it is approaching a peak. Where it will go after reaching that peak is anyone's guess.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#8469 Dec 14, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not make any cash contributions to the "Yes on 8" campaign.
"COMMENTARY — 2 FEBRUARY 2009
Church Clarifies Proposition 8 Filing, Corrects Erroneous News Reports
Today The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints clarified erroneous news reports following the filing of its final report on donations to the ProtectMarriage.com coalition.
On Friday, 30 January, the Church filed the final report of its contributions (all of which were non-monetary) to the ProtectMarriage.com coalition. The report, submitted in advance of the 31 January deadline, details in-kind donations totaling $189,903.58.
The value of the Church’s in-kind (non-monetary) contribution is less than one half of one percent of the total funds (approximately $40 million) raised for the “Yes on 8” campaign. The Church did not make any cash contribution."
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-...
The church did not violate tax regulations with kinds of donations offered, though there was a small fine for a late disclosure of in-kind contributions.
see: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700038678/...
News clips are misleading. When forming opinions it can be helpful to look at source material rather than hearsay.
The provisions of 501(c)(3) are not about contributions. They are about advocacy and efforts to affect election outcomes, and the Church's actions in this regard are quite clear. Its status should be revised and it should be required to pay corporate income taxes.
KJV

United States

#8470 Dec 14, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
This is a great link to some free Mormon Tabernacle Choir Christmas music: http://mormon.org/christmas...

(scroll up to see music)

My favorites are "For Unto Us A Child is Born"
and "Hallelujah"
Thank you. I will enjoy it.
KJV

United States

#8471 Dec 14, 2012
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong.
No it was correct you are wrong

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