Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Star Press.

Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8439 Dec 14, 2012
Dawkins said this years before the Daily Mail BS.

I knew you had nothing new, bellend.
derek4 wrote:
[“... when Archbishop Dr Rowan Williams suggested that Professor Darwin is often described as the world's most famous atheist, the geneticist responded:'Not by me'.”]
'I can't be sure God DOES NOT exist': World's most notorious atheist Richard Dawkins admits he is in fact agnostic
Professor Richard Dawkins today dismissed his hard-earned reputation as a militant atheist - admitting that he is actually agnostic as he can't prove God doesn't exist.
The country's foremost champion of the Darwinist evolution, who wrote The God Delusion, stunned audience members when he made the confession during a lively debate on the origins of the universe with the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Professor Dawkins, the former Oxford Professor for the Public Understanding of Science, is a dedicated admirer of Charles Darwin, regarding the Victorian pioneer of evolution as the man who explained ‘everything we know about life’.
But when Archbishop Dr Rowan Williams suggested that Professor Darwin is often described as the world's most famous atheist, the geneticist responded:'Not by me'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21058...
[The Dawkins Delusion]
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8440 Dec 14, 2012
The 2011 government Census for England and Wales reported over 6 million more non-believers in the UK alone in the last 10 years.

Have you got 1,800 new conversion posts, for England and Wales only, for each day, and every day for the last 10 years?

That's 12,600 new names every week, so get posting, christard!
derek4 wrote:
“Former Atheist and Dawkins Follower Becomes Christian”
“Former atheist Richard Morgan describes his journey to Christianity in a fascinating article at The Christian Post.”
http://www.toughquestionsanswered.org/2011/12...
[Wow - all these atheists being converted. What will happen to our atheist population? Their numbers are dropping. Sad, isn't it?]

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#8441 Dec 14, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Dawkins said this years before the Daily Mail BS.
I knew you had nothing new, bellend.
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Thank you for enligtening us. Glad to know Mr. Dawkins isn't an atheist. It's hard to express my gratitude to you for your valued post.

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#8442 Dec 14, 2012
Thinking wrote:
The 2011 government Census for England and Wales reported over 6 million more non-believers in the UK alone in the last 10 years.
Have you got 1,800 new conversion posts, for England and Wales only, for each day, and every day for the last 10 years?
That's 12,600 new names every week, so get posting, christard!
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Thanks for your help with those impressive statistics.

Study: Rising Religious Tide in China Overwhelms Atheist Doctrine

“One of the last great efforts at state-sponsored atheism is a failure.

And not just any kind of failure. China has enforced its anti-religion policy through decades of repression, coercion and persecution, but the lack of success is spectacular, according to a major new study.

No more than 15 percent of adults in the world's most populous country are "real atheists." 85 percent of the Chinese either hold some religious beliefs or practice some kind of religion, according to the Chinese Spiritual Life Survey.

Members of the Chinese Communist Party and Youth League are required to be atheists, yet 17 percent of them self-identified with a religion and 65 percent indicated they had engaged in religious practices in the last year, reported sociologist Fenggang Yang of Purdue University, a lead researcher in the project.

The notion of China as a secular nation with little or no religion is "silly," said sociologist Rodney Stark of Baylor University, another principal investigator.

"It's a pretty religious bunch of folks if you follow what they're doing," he said.

Continued to conclusion:

“... officials, he said, are not sure what to do. After the end of the Cultural Revolution, following 13 years of brutal measures taken to eliminate religion, some officials came to a realization "religion can't be stopped," Yang said.

Also mediating against further restrictions on religion is a lack of public support. There are few social pressures against faith, Yang said. In the spiritual life survey, less than a quarter of respondents agreed with the statement that "Christianity is a Western religion, hence it is not suitable for Chinese people."

In addition, political and economic changes allowing greater freedom also have created "sufficient social space" for the practice of religion, Yang said.

The Chinese government appears to have few options left to halt the growth of religion.

"This is a trend that is hard to stop," Yang said. "In fact, it is almost impossible to stop."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-briggs/st...

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#8443 Dec 14, 2012
Christianity taking over planet?

What is the fastest-growing religion on Earth?

“Most news reports suggest it is Islam.

But a new book makes a compelling case it is a new, or, perhaps, old form of biblically inspired evangelical Christianity that is sweeping through places like China, Africa, India and Southeast Asia.

In “Megashift,” author Jim Rutz coins a new phrase to define this fast-growing segment of the population. He calls them “core apostolics”– or “the new saints who are at the heart of the mushrooming kingdom of God.”

Rutz makes the point that Christianity is overlooked as the fastest-growing faith in the world because most surveys look at the traditional Protestant denominations and the Roman Catholic Church while ignoring Christian believers who have no part of either.

He says there are 707 million “switched-on disciples” who fit into this new category and that this “church” is exploding in growth.

“The growing core of Christianity crosses theological lines and includes 707 million born-again people who are increasing by 8 percent a year,” he says.

So fast is this group growing that, under current trends, according to Rutz, the entire world will be composed of such believers by the year 2032.

“There will be pockets of resistance and unforeseen breakthroughs,” writes Rutz.“Still, at the rate we’re growing now, to be comically precise, there would be more Christians than people by the autumn of 2032, about 8.2 billion.”

According to the author, until 1960, Western evangelicals outnumbered non-Western evangelicals – mostly Latinos, blacks and Asians – by two to one. As of 2000, non-Western evangelicals outnumbered Westerners by four to one. He says by 2010, the ratio will be seven to one.
http://www.wnd.com/2005/04/30077/

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#8444 Dec 14, 2012
re-posting:

Christianity on upswing in Japan

“A poll conducted by the Gallup Organization has yielded some surprising statistics on Japanese attitudes toward religion, morality and spirituality.

According to a media advisory obtained by ANS, among the findings from one of the most extensive surveys of the country ever taken was a Christian population of 6 percent, a number much higher than reported in previous surveys.

Researchers were also surprised by high numbers of teens who claimed the Christian faith, while the traditionally dominant religions, Buddhism and Shintoism, though still claimed by many adults, suffered declines among teenagers. Some respondents answered that they belonged to more than one religion.

Of the 30 percent of adults surveyed who claimed to have a religion, 75 percent considered themselves Buddhists, 19 percent Shintoists, while 12 percent considered themselves to be Christians.

Researchers were especially surprised at the large number of Japanese youth who claimed the Christian faith. Of the 20 percent who professed to have a religion, 60 percent called themselves Buddhists, 36 percent Christians and followers of the traditionally dominant Japanese religion, Shinto.

Calling the numbers “stunning,” George Gallup Jr. who assisted with the poll, noted of teenagers:“These projections mean that seven percent of the total teenage population say they are Christians.”
http://www.wnd.com/2006/03/35319/

[Growing in Japan too, huh?]
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8445 Dec 14, 2012
Now your prejudice is sated, you should read Dawkins' books on Evolution.

They're excellent.
derek4 wrote:
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Thank you for enligtening us. Glad to know Mr. Dawkins isn't an atheist. It's hard to express my gratitude to you for your valued post.

Since: Nov 11

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#8446 Dec 14, 2012
Thinking wrote:
The 2011 government Census for England and Wales reported over 6 million more non-believers in the UK alone in the last 10 years.
Have you got 1,800 new conversion posts, for England and Wales only, for each day, and every day for the last 10 years?
That's 12,600 new names every week, so get posting, christard!
<quoted text>
“No more than 15 percent of adults in the world's most populous country are "real atheists." 85 percent of the Chinese either hold some religious beliefs or practice some kind of religion, according to the Chinese Spiritual Life Survey.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-briggs/st...
[Go back to the drawing board, lol. Don't forget to give us links.]

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#8447 Dec 14, 2012
Thinking wrote:
you should read Dawkins' books on Evolution.
They're excellent.
<quoted text>
Sounds wonderful, but right now I'm into reading more meaningful material. Thanks for the suggestion.

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#8448 Dec 14, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Now your prejudice is sated, you should read Dawkins' books on Evolution.
They're excellent.
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Let me know when I can provide you with more information on the global expansion of Christianity. Always glad to help. Thanks. And have a good day.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#8449 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Just a reminder to everyone, should you have a dispute with the contents of any web page, feel free to contact the publisher with your concerns. I have no interest in your opinions.
If you have a link from a credit-worthy source that disputes any web page, you are also free to post that detail with the link, otherwise your opinion or dispute is not considered valid.
Four posts from you to me.

I must really be getting under your skin now.

Or is it that the troll is being trolled?

Whatever way you look at it, I gave you the opportunity to explain your lies and you flopped.

Can't say I'm surprised.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#8450 Dec 14, 2012
Thinking wrote:
The UK spelling is "plough", fucktard.
<quoted text>
No doubt when he's singing "Rock-a-bye baby" he sings about "when the bow breaks".

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#8451 Dec 14, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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He doesn't believe in god.
Spirituality does not necessitate belief.
Just watched a great presentation he made a few years ago at TED talks.
It's no wonder believers hate him.
Sam Harris has devastating logic which he employs to great effect as he mops the floor with believers.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#8452 Dec 14, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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YOUR material?
That's a laugh.
And dishonest, too.
Not surprising.
Lol

I know.

Not only does he lie but he also claims that it's his material.

He has no shame.

Since: Nov 11

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#8453 Dec 14, 2012
Thinking wrote:
The 2011 government Census for England and Wales reported over 6 million more non-believers in the UK alone in the last 10 years.
Have you got 1,800 new conversion posts, for England and Wales only, for each day, and every day for the last 10 years?
That's 12,600 new names every week, so get posting, christard!
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I find your input fascinating. But please allow me to enlarge on it for you:

“While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining. This may be because birth rates in religious societies are much higher.[10] This is similar to a 2002 survey by Adherents.com , which estimates the proportion of the world's people who are "secular, non-religious, agnostics and atheists" at about 14%. A 2004 survey by the BBC in 10 countries showed the proportion of the population "who don't believe in God" varying between 0%(Nigeria) and 39%(UK), with an average close to 17% in the countries surveyed. About 8% of the respondents stated specifically that they consider themselves to be atheists. 65% of those polled in a 2011 survey by the British Humanist Association answered no to the question "Are you religious?".[Poster's insert within brackets: Apparently the British are drifting away from God, unfortunately. However, answering “no” to the question,“Are you religious”- does not label the respondent atheist. Many other nations are not growing in atheist numbers – in fact in those countries, atheism is rapidly declining; i.e. China, Nigeria, Japan, and many others.]“A 2004 survey by the CIA in the World Factbook estimates about 12.5% of the world's population are non-religious, and about 2.4% are atheists.[14] A 2004 survey by the Pew Research Center showed that in the United States, 12% of people under 30 and 6% of people over 30 could be characterized as non-religious.[15] A 2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic), while France had the most skeptics (19% atheist, 16% agnostic). On the religion question, South Korea had the greatest percentage without a religion (41%) while Italy had the smallest (5%).”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_...

Since: Nov 11

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#8454 Dec 14, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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Four posts from you to me.
I must really be getting under your skin now.
Or is it that the troll is being trolled?
Four? Wow. Well, that just shows what a joy you are to me. I always owe you a debt of gratitude for the many times you're brought Noah's wisdom to our attention. And hold your head way up high and be proud of yourself - don't ever call yourself a troll. Let me do that for you. It's a pleasure, lol.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#8455 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
..[Japan] 75 percent considered themselves Buddhists, 19 percent Shintoists, while 12 percent considered themselves to be Christians.
Do you think Buddhists, Shintoists, Muslims etc are saved? Even without believing in Jesus?

Since: Nov 11

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#8456 Dec 14, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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Lol
I know.
Not only does he lie but he also claims that it's his material.
He has no shame.
Oh, no, I don't claim authorship of the material I post. It is "my material" only in the sense the posts were mine where the material appeared. But - tell you what I'll do, and just because you're special to me, and you liked the material so much that I posted, I'll allow you to claim it as YOUR material. That will be my Christmas gift to you. I know that will make you happy. LOL
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#8457 Dec 14, 2012
Derek, do you really believe in a literal hell, as a place of eternal punishment, or that it is a state of mind? I find it hard to believe anyone could believe in such a place.

Since: Nov 11

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#8458 Dec 14, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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No doubt when he's singing "Rock-a-bye baby" he sings about "when the bow breaks".
Maybe today I'll reply to more than just 4 of your posts. After all, I don't want you to feel neglected. I appreciate you in a way that's hard to describe.

Now when that bow breaks, you just be sure you don't fall too hard and hurt yourself - unless your old rump is nice and fat like your mouth to cushion you.

LMAO

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