Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11178 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Star Press.

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#8418 Dec 13, 2012
“Sam Harris Believes in God”

Oct 18, 2010

“The neuroscientist and rationalist has made his name attacking religious faith. Who knew he was so spiritual?”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/10...

[Surprising. Little Sam: spiritual]

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#8419 Dec 13, 2012
Did you know that Richard Dawkins is not an atheist? I'll post about that tomorrow.

In the meanwhile, atheists, take some of your new medication your doctor prescribed tonight. I mean, you KNOW it's all safe, SCIENCE PEER REVIEW teams check all the research on medications, right?

However, lots of attorneys are making big bucks out there on harmful medications. Let me know if you would like to see some posts about that - I can get them for you, and help you stay informed.

LMAO

Take care, sleep tight.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#8420 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>
When you've run out of ammunition and realize your points = zero, you resort to grammar – and you fail even at that, since you're dense enough to forget it's your OWN grammar you're criticizing.
“Plough vs. plow”
“In American and Canadian English, plow is the preferred spelling of the farm implement and its related verbs. Plough is the preferred spelling in all other varieties of English.
The spelling distinction applies to all senses of the word, including figurative ones. British and Australian writers always use plough, along with ploughed and ploughing; American and Canadian writers always use plow, plowed, and plowing. Both spellings are pronounced the same.”
Contact the publisher with any dispute:
http://grammarist.com/spelling/plough-plow/
You introduced the spelling,“plough”, to the forum, airhead - not me.
In the United States, we spell it plow, which is correct, and we normally don't spell over here to please limeys. But, to patronize and condescend to you, I spelled it your way because I didn't know if you had enough sense to know what plow meant. I still don't know if you do. Probably not.
You're a number one idiot, and idiot is spelled 2 ways:“idiot” and / or “Khatru”.
And God, the creator, is capitalized. And our currency says “IN GOD WE TRUST”. We don't disgrace any note here by defacing it with Darwin's picture
However, it's correct to spell atheism and atheists with lower case a, because they are indeed LOWER case or lower class, lol. And in that low class, you're the dregs that settled to the bottom.
LMAO
We can blame (or thank) Noah Webster for the differences between American spellings and those of the rest of the world. When compiling his first American dictionary, he arbitrarily decided to simplify some spellings. Since his dictionaries were the most widely distributed in the U.S., those spellings became standard here. Personally, I think he should have left well enough alone, but others may think otherwise with no argument from me.

Webster, as a devout Christian, also had strong feelings about atheists, which he also incorporated into his dictionaries, and since much of society agreed with him at the time, his departure from more modern standards of lexicography went unchallenged during his lifetime. But the definitions in Webster dictionaries remain biased to this day and should be discounted by all thinking lexicographers and fans of the English language in general. Just as Judaism is better defined by Jewish scholars than by Nazis or skinheads, Catholicism by the Vatican than by the KKK, and Islam by mujtahids than by rednecks, atheism is best defined by atheists themselves.

Webster was an amazing man who did much to encourage literacy and scholarship in the U.S. as it was developing as a distinct d culture, but, like most of us, he was far from perfect. He was very opinionated and did not hesitate to wield his considerable influence well past the point of wisdom. For better or worse, we're probably stuck with his spellings. But we don't have to carry his 19th century prejudices into the 21st.
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8421 Dec 13, 2012
The UK spelling is "plough", fucktard.
derek4 the bellend wrote:
<quoted text>
When you've run out of ammunition and realize your points = zero, you resort to grammar – and you fail even at that, since you're dense enough to forget it's your OWN grammar you're criticizing.
“Plough vs. plow”
“In American and Canadian English, plow is the preferred spelling of the farm implement and its related verbs. Plough is the preferred spelling in all other varieties of English.
The spelling distinction applies to all senses of the word, including figurative ones. British and Australian writers always use plough, along with ploughed and ploughing; American and Canadian writers always use plow, plowed, and plowing. Both spellings are pronounced the same.”
Contact the publisher with any dispute:
http://grammarist.com/spelling/plough-plow/
You introduced the spelling,“plough”, to the forum, airhead - not me.
In the United States, we spell it plow, which is correct, and we normally don't spell over here to please limeys. But, to patronize and condescend to you, I spelled it your way because I didn't know if you had enough sense to know what plow meant. I still don't know if you do. Probably not.
You're a number one idiot, and idiot is spelled 2 ways:“idiot” and / or “Khatru”.
And God, the creator, is capitalized. And our currency says “IN GOD WE TRUST”. We don't disgrace any note here by defacing it with Darwin's picture
However, it's correct to spell atheism and atheists with lower case a, because they are indeed LOWER case or lower class, lol. And in that low class, you're the dregs that settled to the bottom.
LMAO
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8422 Dec 13, 2012
You won't have anything he didn't publish himself in the "God Delusion"
derek4 the bellend wrote:
Did you know that Richard Dawkins is not an atheist? I'll post about that tomorrow.
In the meanwhile, atheists, take some of your new medication your doctor prescribed tonight. I mean, you KNOW it's all safe, SCIENCE PEER REVIEW teams check all the research on medications, right?
However, lots of attorneys are making big bucks out there on harmful medications. Let me know if you would like to see some posts about that - I can get them for you, and help you stay informed.
LMAO
Take care, sleep tight.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#8423 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“Sam Harris Believes in God”

Oct 18, 2010

“The neuroscientist and rationalist has made his name attacking religious faith. Who knew he was so spiritual?”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/10...

[Surprising. Little Sam: spiritual]
He doesn't believe in god.

Spirituality does not necessitate belief.

Just watched a great presentation he made a few years ago at TED talks.

It's no wonder believers hate him.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#8424 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Did you know that Richard Dawkins is not an atheist? I'll post about that tomorrow.

In the meanwhile, atheists, take some of your new medication your doctor prescribed tonight. I mean, you KNOW it's all safe, SCIENCE PEER REVIEW teams check all the research on medications, right?

However, lots of attorneys are making big bucks out there on harmful medications. Let me know if you would like to see some posts about that - I can get them for you, and help you stay informed.

LMAO

Take care, sleep tight.
You don't understand the word "probably", do you.
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8425 Dec 14, 2012
Even though it's by necessity only US centric, I bought his "Letter to a christian Nation". He's a great writer too.
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
He doesn't believe in god.
Spirituality does not necessitate belief.
Just watched a great presentation he made a few years ago at TED talks.
It's no wonder believers hate him.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#8426 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>I've never met any Christians who referred to themselves as “god-fearing”.

And, like I've told other posters, thank you for re-posting my material each time you hit the reply button. You've often cooperated with me in that manner.
YOUR material?

That's a laugh.

And dishonest, too.

Not surprising.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#8427 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
New Pew survey: 21% of atheists believe in God

“...you’ll find 12% professing a belief in heaven and 10% praying at least once a week.(Note: That doesn’t mean meditation. That was posed in a separate question.) I can’t believe I have to ask this, but … do we actually need separate sects within atheism for those who are, um, actual atheists and those who aren’t?
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/23/new-pew...

“If only George Carlin were around to ponder this oxymoron: Steven Waldman, the editor-in-chief of Beliefnet, digs into the U.S. Religious Landscape Survey, conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (and reported on by The Times yesterday), and finds an interesting nugget:“21 percent of atheists believe in god.”

“What this means is that Atheism has become a cultural designation, rather than a theological statement,” Waldman writes on his Beliefnet blog.“Some are likely declaring themselves atheists as a statement of hostility to organized religion, rather than to God. This might help explain polls showing rising numbers of Atheists.”
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/...
Some people, apparently, don't know the meaning of "atheist".

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#8428 Dec 14, 2012
Would that show proof if deities? If not as usual it would be useless spam. See atheists do not believe in deities so unless you have proof for deities nothing you are spamming has anything to do with Atheism.
derek4 wrote:
Did you know that Richard Dawkins is not an atheist? I'll post about that tomorrow.
In the meanwhile, atheists, take some of your new medication your doctor prescribed tonight. I mean, you KNOW it's all safe, SCIENCE PEER REVIEW teams check all the research on medications, right?
However, lots of attorneys are making big bucks out there on harmful medications. Let me know if you would like to see some posts about that - I can get them for you, and help you stay informed.
LMAO
Take care, sleep tight.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#8429 Dec 14, 2012
Correct. And honestly I don't think Dim understands what an atheist is.
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Some people, apparently, don't know the meaning of "atheist".

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#8430 Dec 14, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Some people, apparently, don't know the meaning of "atheist".
How unfortunate that you didn't share your vast wisdom with the web page publishers of the link I posted so they can learn the meaning of “atheist”, as you define it. I expect it has a very profound meaning to you, doesn't it? But without your input, how will the publishers know? How will they be able to carry on? Who knows - once you've enlightened them, taught them, educated them, they may be able to find you a position on their staff! You could have a great future, lmao.

Since: Nov 11

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#8431 Dec 14, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
We can blame (or thank) Noah Webster for the differences between American spellings and those of the rest of the world. When compiling his first American dictionary, he arbitrarily decided to simplify some spellings. Since his dictionaries were the most widely distributed in the U.S., those spellings became standard here. Personally, I think he should have left well enough alone, but others may think otherwise with no argument from me.
Webster, as a devout Christian, also had strong feelings about atheists, which he also incorporated into his dictionaries, and since much of society agreed with him at the time, his departure from more modern standards of lexicography went unchallenged during his lifetime. But the definitions in Webster dictionaries remain biased to this day and should be discounted by all thinking lexicographers and fans of the English language in general. Just as Judaism is better defined by Jewish scholars than by Nazis or skinheads, Catholicism by the Vatican than by the KKK, and Islam by mujtahids than by rednecks, atheism is best defined by atheists themselves.
Webster was an amazing man who did much to encourage literacy and scholarship in the U.S. as it was developing as a distinct d culture, but, like most of us, he was far from perfect. He was very opinionated and did not hesitate to wield his considerable influence well past the point of wisdom. For better or worse, we're probably stuck with his spellings. But we don't have to carry his 19th century prejudices into the 21st.
Thanks for your mini essay. You know, you're always free to share your wisdom with the publishers of dictionaries, but posting your special gift of insight in the forum won't really do anything. Be sure to advise the publishers of your credentials so they can give sufficient consideration to your valuable input.

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#8432 Dec 14, 2012
Thinking wrote:
The UK spelling is "plough", fucktard.
<quoted text>
You're always informative and pleasant. It's hard to find the words to express the value we place on your contributions to the forum.

Since: Nov 11

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#8433 Dec 14, 2012
[“... when Archbishop Dr Rowan Williams suggested that Professor Darwin is often described as the world's most famous atheist, the geneticist responded:'Not by me'.”]

'I can't be sure God DOES NOT exist': World's most notorious atheist Richard Dawkins admits he is in fact agnostic

Professor Richard Dawkins today dismissed his hard-earned reputation as a militant atheist - admitting that he is actually agnostic as he can't prove God doesn't exist.

The country's foremost champion of the Darwinist evolution, who wrote The God Delusion, stunned audience members when he made the confession during a lively debate on the origins of the universe with the Archbishop of Canterbury.

Professor Dawkins, the former Oxford Professor for the Public Understanding of Science, is a dedicated admirer of Charles Darwin, regarding the Victorian pioneer of evolution as the man who explained ‘everything we know about life’.

But when Archbishop Dr Rowan Williams suggested that Professor Darwin is often described as the world's most famous atheist, the geneticist responded:'Not by me'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21058...

[The Dawkins Delusion]

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#8434 Dec 14, 2012
Popular Atheist Blogger Announces Conversion to Catholicism

“A well-known atheist blogger made a shocking announcement on Monday: after careful consideration, she has concluded that God exists and she has converted to Catholicism.

Previously, Leah Libresco maintained a blog on the Patheos blogging network's Atheist Portal. But on the day of her announcement her blog, which is now titled "Unequally Yoked: A geeky convert picks fights in good faith," moved to the network's Catholic Channel.
According to her blog post from Monday, as an atheist she couldn't fully explain where human's obtained their understanding of moral law, despite the many non-theistic theories that are out there. The day before Palm Sunday, she says, she got into a discussion with a Christian friend, who asked her what she believed was the source of moral law.
After some thought, she realized that morality comes from neither evolution nor philosophy, but from God.
"I believed that the Moral Law wasn't just a Platonic truth, abstract and distant," she wrote. "It turns out I actually believed it was some kind of Person, as well as Truth. And there was one religion that seemed like the most promising way to reach back to that living Truth. I asked my friend what he suggest we do now, and we prayed the night office of the Liturgy of the Hours together (I've kept up with that since)."
Libresco, who is currently enrolled in Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA) classes at a parish in Washington D.C., also says she has been writing in a "crypto-Catholic style" on her blog for the last month and a half.
But believing in God is just the beginning for her, because she still questions the Church's view on certain issues, including its stance on homosexuality.
"This post isn't the final word on my conversion," she wrote. "I'm sure there's a lot more explaining and arguing to do, so be a little charitable in your read of this post and try to give me a little time to expand my ideas over the next few weeks."
A fellow Patheos Catholic Channel blogger, Thomas L. McDonald, says his journey to the faith was similar to Libresco's, and he also had some reservations about certain Christian teachings when he first became a believer.
"My advice to Leah would be: push and work through and reason, argue every point, but accept that there will always be limits to what you will be able to resolve...And some things will never be resolved, not this side of heaven. I have accepted that a few things will remain unknown and unknowable, and in doing so rendered everything else comprehensible. It was the best deal I ever made," wrote McDonald on his "God and the Machine" blog.
Since her announcement, Libresco has thanked those who have offered her support and says she is working to respond to the questions and comments of those who don't understand or are angry over her conversion. She appreciates "argumentative comments," she says, and is welcoming the opportunity to answer her critics.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/popular-ath...

[Great news, Leah – keep up the good work.]

[oops - the atheist percentage just dropped a bit, lol.]

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#8435 Dec 14, 2012
Nietzsche's passionate atheism was the making of me

“Nietzsche's pious lack of faith led to my own conversion to Christianity”

“Nietzsche's case against Christianity was that it kept people down; that it smothered them with morality and self-loathing. His ideal human is one who is free to express himself (yes, he's sexist), like a great artist or a Viking warrior. Morality is for the little people. It's the way the weak manipulate the strong. The people Nietzsche most admired and aspired to be like were those who were able to reinvent themselves through some tremendous act of will.

I have never seen anything to admire in Nietzsche's view of morality or immorality. He was badly interpreted by the Nazis. But his ethics, if one can call them that, are founded on the admiration of power as the ultimate form of abundant creativity. His hatred of Christianity comes mostly from his hatred of renunciation and the promotion of selflessness. Jesus was a genius for having the imaginative power to reinvent Judaism but a dangerous idiot for basing this reinvention on the idea that there is virtue to be had in weakness. The weak, Nietzsche insists, are nasty and cruel. They take out their frustration on those who have the power of genuine self-expression.

It may seem perverse but it was Nietzsche who was partly responsible for my own conversion to Christianity. As a philosophy student in the 1980s, I had served my time with the analytic tradition and its logic-chopping ways. Like many students, I was expecting something more from philosophy than an ability to break down "the cat sat on the mat" into its semantic parts or wading through dreary and unconvincing proofs about the existence of God. I wanted the excitement of big ideas. Marx did it for a while. But my own public school version of revolutionary communism was inevitably a brittle thing, despite its evangelical fervour.

As radical socialism collapsed around my ears, Nietzsche invaded my consciousness with a whole range of new and exciting questions. I took the anti-God line entirely for granted. As a good communist, atheism had always been my unexamined default position. And because Nietzsche was so passionate an atheist, I had my defences down to his unusually intense religiosity and elliptical desire for salvation. Which, I suppose, is how the question of God crept under my intellectual radar.

Nietzsche hated Christianity with all the intensity of someone who had once been caught up in its workings, but he would have equally loathed the high priests of new atheism and their overwhelming sense of intellectual superiority.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/...

[“he would have equally loathed the high priests of new atheism”] LMAO

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#8436 Dec 14, 2012
“Former Atheist and Dawkins Follower Becomes Christian”

“Former atheist Richard Morgan describes his journey to Christianity in a fascinating article at The Christian Post.”
http://www.toughquestionsanswered.org/2011/12...

[Wow - all these atheists being converted. What will happen to our atheist population? Their numbers are dropping. Sad, isn't it?]

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#8437 Dec 14, 2012
Born-Again Atheist Makes Gradual Return to Belief

“Former atheist A. N. Wilson has slowly emerged from the closet as a believer - again. The renowned journalist and biographer, who was raised in the church of England and who had once considered himself a believer, had a "conversion" to atheism 20 years ago at age 38...”

[But he has LEFT atheism now....found it had nothing to offer.]
http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/...

[Better late than never. Great news.]

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