Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Press

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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#8411 Dec 13, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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I think its impossible to have a church that has no relevance except with its own, at least not a church as Christ would have it. Defending the institution of marriage is appropriate. If an individual finds significance in how a marriage is defined, I think that individual should have a say in how it is defined. I don't have a problem with anyone who is attracted to the same gender and neither does the church.(see http://www.mormonsandgays.org/ )
However, I don't condone homosexual activity.
Is it my place to say what is legally permitted? The government thinks so, since it gave me the right to vote on the issue. Was it right for me to vote yes on prop 8? Yes. Is that the right answer for everyone, probably not. I feel that marriage is between a man and a woman, and I think the law should reflect that and I have a right to express that.
The atheists are working on removing that right.

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#8412 Dec 13, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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The Wall Street Journal & New York Times are not your posts.
I posted nothing from The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times? Not one, but many. All my posts are still on the board.

I can re-post them for you if you like. Maybe if you ask me just right, I'll do that for you.

In fact, thank you for inviting me to re-post one for you right now – it's one I know you enjoyed previously, and you'd like seeing again:

From: The Wall Street Journal

“Mistakes in Scientific Studies Surge”

It was the kind of study that made doctors around the world sit up and take notice: Two popular high-blood-pressure drugs were found to be much better in combination than either alone.

"There was a 'wow' reaction," recalls Franz Messerli, a New York doctor who, like many others, changed his prescription habits after the 2003 report.

Unfortunately, it wasn't true. Six and a half years later, the prestigious medical journal the Lancet retracted the paper, citing "serious concerns" about the findings.

The damage was done. Doctors by then had given the drug combination to well over 100,000 patients. Instead of protecting them from kidney problems, as the study said the drug combo could do, it left them more vulnerable to potentially life-threatening side effects, later studies showed. Today, "tens of thousands" of patients are still on the dual therapy, according to research firm SDI.

When a study is retracted, "it can be hard to make its effects go away," says Sheldon Tobe, a kidney-disease specialist at the University of Toronto.

And that's more important today than ever because retractions of scientific studies are surging.

Since 2001, while the number of papers published in research journals has risen 44%, the number retracted has leapt more than 15-fold, data compiled for The Wall Street Journal by Thomson Reuters reveal.

more:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270...

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#8413 Dec 13, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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More nonsense from Dim to be knocked down.
When it comes to fear, Christianity is built on it. That's right, it positively thrives on terror.
There's a reason why Christians always refer to themselves as "god-fearing" - it's because they fear their invisible sky pixie more than they love him.
I've never met any Christians who referred to themselves as “god-fearing”.

And, like I've told other posters, thank you for re-posting my material each time you hit the reply button. You've often cooperated with me in that manner.

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#8414 Dec 13, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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Your posts are when you take quotes from a guy called Miles Mathis and shamelessly attribute them to Richard Dawkins.
Please share with us the reasons why you chose to do this.
Just a reminder to everyone, should you have a dispute with the contents of any web page, feel free to contact the publisher with your concerns. I have no interest in your opinions.

If you have a link from a credit-worthy source that disputes any web page, you are also free to post that detail with the link, otherwise your opinion or dispute is not considered valid.

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#8415 Dec 13, 2012
New Pew survey: 21% of atheists believe in God

“...you’ll find 12% professing a belief in heaven and 10% praying at least once a week.(Note: That doesn’t mean meditation. That was posed in a separate question.) I can’t believe I have to ask this, but … do we actually need separate sects within atheism for those who are, um, actual atheists and those who aren’t?
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/23/new-pew...

“If only George Carlin were around to ponder this oxymoron: Steven Waldman, the editor-in-chief of Beliefnet, digs into the U.S. Religious Landscape Survey, conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (and reported on by The Times yesterday), and finds an interesting nugget:“21 percent of atheists believe in god.”

“What this means is that Atheism has become a cultural designation, rather than a theological statement,” Waldman writes on his Beliefnet blog.“Some are likely declaring themselves atheists as a statement of hostility to organized religion, rather than to God. This might help explain polls showing rising numbers of Atheists.”
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/...

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#8416 Dec 13, 2012
Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining

“I can't stand atheists -- but it's not because they don't believe in God. It's because they're crashing bores.”

continued:

“My problem with atheists is their tiresome -- and way old -- insistence that they are being oppressed and their fixation with the fine points of Christianity. What -- did their Sunday school teachers flog their behinds with a Bible when they were kids?

Read Dawkins, or Hitchens, or the works of fellow atheists Sam Harris ("The End of Faith") and Daniel Dennett ("Breaking the Spell"), or visit an atheist website or blog (there are zillions of them, bearing such titles as "God Is for Suckers," "God Is Imaginary" and "God Is Pretend"), and your eyes will glaze over as you peruse -- again and again -- the obsessively tiny range of topics around which atheists circle like water in a drain.

continued:
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/17/opini...

[poor atheist whiners, lol]

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#8417 Dec 13, 2012
“How an Atheist Found God”

“Atheist vs. God: What moved me from my atheist experience to believing in God...”
http://www.everystudent.com/wires/atheist.htm...

[from within:
“I was challenging my friend with every question that came to mind about God. I would find myself writing out questions late in the evening. This went on for well over a year. One day she handed me a book that briefly answered questions like, is there a God; is Jesus God; what about the Bible. It presented facts. No comments like, "you have to believe."

I saw some evidence for God that was solidly logical. I'm not normally drawn toward science. However, the parts particularly convincing to me were the chemical properties of water and the earth's position to the sun. It was all too perfectly designed, too perfectly put together. My faith in "nothing behind it all" seemed weaker than the possibility of God. I had fewer reasons to be certain of nothing, and more reasons to conclude that God might be there.

I then encountered a situation that fully challenged my current philosophy on life. What I had been putting my faith in proved to be completely insufficient. It shocked me to see that I was at a loss for an approach to life that was fully reliable. However, the situation resolved itself and I moved ahead. I have a pretty steady personality. Throughout my life, I never really felt "needy." No on-going crisis. No big gaps or struggles. And certainly nothing I felt guilty about.

But the concept of God was something I couldn't get off my mind....was he there? does he exist? maybe there's a God.....

One night I was talking to my friend again, and she knew I had all the information I needed. She knew that I had run out of questions to ask. Yet I was still trying to debate. In one clear, abrupt moment, my friend turned to me and said, "You know, I can't make this decision for you, and God's not going to wait forever."

And I immediately knew she was right. I was playing around with a very important decision. So I went home and decided that I was going to decide. I was going to either ask God to come into my life, or I was going to end the subject forever and never allow myself to consider the possibility of God again. I was tired of dealing with this decision. I was tired of thinking about it.

So, for the next three or four hours, I reviewed everything I had read and observed. I evaluated it all.

I concluded that the evidence for God was so strong that it made more sense to believe in God than to believe he wasn't there. Then I had to act on that conclusion.”

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#8418 Dec 13, 2012
“Sam Harris Believes in God”

Oct 18, 2010

“The neuroscientist and rationalist has made his name attacking religious faith. Who knew he was so spiritual?”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/10...

[Surprising. Little Sam: spiritual]

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#8419 Dec 13, 2012
Did you know that Richard Dawkins is not an atheist? I'll post about that tomorrow.

In the meanwhile, atheists, take some of your new medication your doctor prescribed tonight. I mean, you KNOW it's all safe, SCIENCE PEER REVIEW teams check all the research on medications, right?

However, lots of attorneys are making big bucks out there on harmful medications. Let me know if you would like to see some posts about that - I can get them for you, and help you stay informed.

LMAO

Take care, sleep tight.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

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#8420 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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When you've run out of ammunition and realize your points = zero, you resort to grammar – and you fail even at that, since you're dense enough to forget it's your OWN grammar you're criticizing.
“Plough vs. plow”
“In American and Canadian English, plow is the preferred spelling of the farm implement and its related verbs. Plough is the preferred spelling in all other varieties of English.
The spelling distinction applies to all senses of the word, including figurative ones. British and Australian writers always use plough, along with ploughed and ploughing; American and Canadian writers always use plow, plowed, and plowing. Both spellings are pronounced the same.”
Contact the publisher with any dispute:
http://grammarist.com/spelling/plough-plow/
You introduced the spelling,“plough”, to the forum, airhead - not me.
In the United States, we spell it plow, which is correct, and we normally don't spell over here to please limeys. But, to patronize and condescend to you, I spelled it your way because I didn't know if you had enough sense to know what plow meant. I still don't know if you do. Probably not.
You're a number one idiot, and idiot is spelled 2 ways:“idiot” and / or “Khatru”.
And God, the creator, is capitalized. And our currency says “IN GOD WE TRUST”. We don't disgrace any note here by defacing it with Darwin's picture
However, it's correct to spell atheism and atheists with lower case a, because they are indeed LOWER case or lower class, lol. And in that low class, you're the dregs that settled to the bottom.
LMAO
We can blame (or thank) Noah Webster for the differences between American spellings and those of the rest of the world. When compiling his first American dictionary, he arbitrarily decided to simplify some spellings. Since his dictionaries were the most widely distributed in the U.S., those spellings became standard here. Personally, I think he should have left well enough alone, but others may think otherwise with no argument from me.

Webster, as a devout Christian, also had strong feelings about atheists, which he also incorporated into his dictionaries, and since much of society agreed with him at the time, his departure from more modern standards of lexicography went unchallenged during his lifetime. But the definitions in Webster dictionaries remain biased to this day and should be discounted by all thinking lexicographers and fans of the English language in general. Just as Judaism is better defined by Jewish scholars than by Nazis or skinheads, Catholicism by the Vatican than by the KKK, and Islam by mujtahids than by rednecks, atheism is best defined by atheists themselves.

Webster was an amazing man who did much to encourage literacy and scholarship in the U.S. as it was developing as a distinct d culture, but, like most of us, he was far from perfect. He was very opinionated and did not hesitate to wield his considerable influence well past the point of wisdom. For better or worse, we're probably stuck with his spellings. But we don't have to carry his 19th century prejudices into the 21st.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#8421 Dec 13, 2012
The UK spelling is "plough", fucktard.
derek4 the bellend wrote:
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When you've run out of ammunition and realize your points = zero, you resort to grammar – and you fail even at that, since you're dense enough to forget it's your OWN grammar you're criticizing.
“Plough vs. plow”
“In American and Canadian English, plow is the preferred spelling of the farm implement and its related verbs. Plough is the preferred spelling in all other varieties of English.
The spelling distinction applies to all senses of the word, including figurative ones. British and Australian writers always use plough, along with ploughed and ploughing; American and Canadian writers always use plow, plowed, and plowing. Both spellings are pronounced the same.”
Contact the publisher with any dispute:
http://grammarist.com/spelling/plough-plow/
You introduced the spelling,“plough”, to the forum, airhead - not me.
In the United States, we spell it plow, which is correct, and we normally don't spell over here to please limeys. But, to patronize and condescend to you, I spelled it your way because I didn't know if you had enough sense to know what plow meant. I still don't know if you do. Probably not.
You're a number one idiot, and idiot is spelled 2 ways:“idiot” and / or “Khatru”.
And God, the creator, is capitalized. And our currency says “IN GOD WE TRUST”. We don't disgrace any note here by defacing it with Darwin's picture
However, it's correct to spell atheism and atheists with lower case a, because they are indeed LOWER case or lower class, lol. And in that low class, you're the dregs that settled to the bottom.
LMAO
Thinking

Andover, UK

#8422 Dec 13, 2012
You won't have anything he didn't publish himself in the "God Delusion"
derek4 the bellend wrote:
Did you know that Richard Dawkins is not an atheist? I'll post about that tomorrow.
In the meanwhile, atheists, take some of your new medication your doctor prescribed tonight. I mean, you KNOW it's all safe, SCIENCE PEER REVIEW teams check all the research on medications, right?
However, lots of attorneys are making big bucks out there on harmful medications. Let me know if you would like to see some posts about that - I can get them for you, and help you stay informed.
LMAO
Take care, sleep tight.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#8423 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“Sam Harris Believes in God”

Oct 18, 2010

“The neuroscientist and rationalist has made his name attacking religious faith. Who knew he was so spiritual?”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/10...

[Surprising. Little Sam: spiritual]
He doesn't believe in god.

Spirituality does not necessitate belief.

Just watched a great presentation he made a few years ago at TED talks.

It's no wonder believers hate him.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#8424 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Did you know that Richard Dawkins is not an atheist? I'll post about that tomorrow.

In the meanwhile, atheists, take some of your new medication your doctor prescribed tonight. I mean, you KNOW it's all safe, SCIENCE PEER REVIEW teams check all the research on medications, right?

However, lots of attorneys are making big bucks out there on harmful medications. Let me know if you would like to see some posts about that - I can get them for you, and help you stay informed.

LMAO

Take care, sleep tight.
You don't understand the word "probably", do you.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#8425 Dec 14, 2012
Even though it's by necessity only US centric, I bought his "Letter to a christian Nation". He's a great writer too.
Aerobatty wrote:
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He doesn't believe in god.
Spirituality does not necessitate belief.
Just watched a great presentation he made a few years ago at TED talks.
It's no wonder believers hate him.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#8426 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>I've never met any Christians who referred to themselves as “god-fearing”.

And, like I've told other posters, thank you for re-posting my material each time you hit the reply button. You've often cooperated with me in that manner.
YOUR material?

That's a laugh.

And dishonest, too.

Not surprising.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#8427 Dec 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
New Pew survey: 21% of atheists believe in God

“...you’ll find 12% professing a belief in heaven and 10% praying at least once a week.(Note: That doesn’t mean meditation. That was posed in a separate question.) I can’t believe I have to ask this, but … do we actually need separate sects within atheism for those who are, um, actual atheists and those who aren’t?
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/23/new-pew...

“If only George Carlin were around to ponder this oxymoron: Steven Waldman, the editor-in-chief of Beliefnet, digs into the U.S. Religious Landscape Survey, conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (and reported on by The Times yesterday), and finds an interesting nugget:“21 percent of atheists believe in god.”

“What this means is that Atheism has become a cultural designation, rather than a theological statement,” Waldman writes on his Beliefnet blog.“Some are likely declaring themselves atheists as a statement of hostility to organized religion, rather than to God. This might help explain polls showing rising numbers of Atheists.”
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/...
Some people, apparently, don't know the meaning of "atheist".

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#8428 Dec 14, 2012
Would that show proof if deities? If not as usual it would be useless spam. See atheists do not believe in deities so unless you have proof for deities nothing you are spamming has anything to do with Atheism.
derek4 wrote:
Did you know that Richard Dawkins is not an atheist? I'll post about that tomorrow.
In the meanwhile, atheists, take some of your new medication your doctor prescribed tonight. I mean, you KNOW it's all safe, SCIENCE PEER REVIEW teams check all the research on medications, right?
However, lots of attorneys are making big bucks out there on harmful medications. Let me know if you would like to see some posts about that - I can get them for you, and help you stay informed.
LMAO
Take care, sleep tight.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#8429 Dec 14, 2012
Correct. And honestly I don't think Dim understands what an atheist is.
Aerobatty wrote:
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Some people, apparently, don't know the meaning of "atheist".

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#8430 Dec 14, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Some people, apparently, don't know the meaning of "atheist".
How unfortunate that you didn't share your vast wisdom with the web page publishers of the link I posted so they can learn the meaning of “atheist”, as you define it. I expect it has a very profound meaning to you, doesn't it? But without your input, how will the publishers know? How will they be able to carry on? Who knows - once you've enlightened them, taught them, educated them, they may be able to find you a position on their staff! You could have a great future, lmao.

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