Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11176 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8380 Dec 13, 2012
KJV wrote:
Vietnam vets don't need anymore crap we served our county we've watched the guy next to us taking a bullet in the face we've come home to dope smoking hippies calling us baby killers.
Let's be fair here. If drug use is a reason to demean people, then it applies ten-fold to the troops that came back junkies.

Also, anybody who works, saves, spends and pays taxes serves his or her country. There is nothing special about putting on a uniform. Being a soldier is no more honorable than being a mother or a teacher, and no more worthy of adulation than being a fireman, a cop,or the lineman that restores power to your home after a tornado, hurricane or ice storm.

And I question how the Vietnam War served Americans' interests. I told you that I've been to Vietnam on holiday - Saigon, now Ho Chi Minh City - and I saw what we were saving the Vietnamese from. If you saw it, you would be ashamed that your country sent you there to carpet bomb, napalm, and agent orange those people.

I think you served your government and the war profiteers it supports with its endless series wars more than any of the rest of us. That's not your fault,and I don't think you deserve to be castigated for it. But frankly, I think that we war protesters served Americans at least as well as any soldiers did. Who do you think got those soldiers home?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8381 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
You make the decision to go to hell when you reject God. He doesn't “decide” to send you there.
Then tell your god I'm not going.Dim.

And let him know that if I ever get the chance to throw HIS ass in hell, I will - for inventing hell and the monsters he staffed it with, for throwing human souls in it while still conscious, and for keeping them conscious forever just so that they will suffer more. In MY universe, that's an unforgivable sin.

Of course, I'll tell him he sent himself.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8382 Dec 13, 2012
Khatru wrote:
Yeah! It was great news! Percentage of Christians down by 14 to 59%, Non-believers up 10 to 25%
Congratulations again!
derek4 wrote:
Let's ASSUME that's true. What does that prove, exactly?
That your church is gracing the West by wasting away. Good riddance.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8383 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Have I ever posted anything that contained an error? Probably so.
An error? Is that what they're calling it these days? You got caught lying about Dawkins.
derek4 wrote:
Most of what I post doesn't please atheists
Where do you get that? Because we flay it and you? What do you think brings people back to this thread if not to greet your fetch-and-pastes with eager anticipation? I love them.
derek4 wrote:
I'm not here to please atheists.
But you do. You serve our purpose nevertheless. I'm very pleased with you, Dim.
derek4 wrote:
Did I put my stamp of endorsement on every quoted link I ever posted, or did I refer the forum participants back to the source? I have repeatedly referred them back to the source.
That was just your cowardice. In the absence of criticism of them, posting your fetch-and-pastes constitutes a tacit endorsement of them. That's why we laugh at you when they misunderstand them and fail to note when they contradict you.
derek4 wrote:
I am not interested in other poster's critiques of web material.
We know, and we're good with that. We're still all here, right?
derek4 wrote:
don't bother me with your trivial rebuttals
Don't read them. They're not for you. Just keep fetching more grist for the mill. Go fetch some more now.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8384 Dec 13, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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The link was posted when your lying caught you out.
You're the one who admits to not reading posts so the problem is yours - not mine.
Good pick-up! Dim upbraids others for not providing links even as he claims that he doesn't read others' posts. Of course, the only link with the Mathis thing was to Mathis.

That's why he's our Dim!

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8385 Dec 13, 2012
Khatru wrote:
Your religion has been in trouble ever since Johannes Gutenberg introduced moveable type printing to Europe. Prior to the printing press, Christians had a monopoly on the production of documents and books. They also had the authority to and influence to ensure that any documents it deemed to be heretical could be seized and destroyed as well as being able to torture and kill the authors.
Yes, indeedy! That was the first source of information and the first blow to Jesus. Literacy (along with scholasticism) resulted in the Renaissance, then the Enlightenment with its great inventions: science, and the liberal secular state, from which came freedom of the press and of expression - more information.

The next major blow was from that science - more information. First we had deism following Newton et al. and the clockwork universe. We didn't need a god to run the universe.

Then Darwin and Hubble, who showed us a godless natural history, and with it, atheism. It turns out that we didn't need a god to build the universe, either. The god of the gaps became very small indeed.

And the death knell rang when information took another quantum leap. Satellite telecommunications lifted the rock on theistic violence and hypocrisy, and the Internet gave atheism a venue and a voice. It's not just that we are learning so much from one another here. The Internet is a place where people on the fence can read the argument against Christianity and for humanism, things we rarely or never heard growing up.

Religion cannot survive the light of scrutiny.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8386 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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I always enjoy your humorous posts. Keep up your great work. Your statement is absurd and proves how meaningless you are.
... says the fetching-and-pasting empty silhouette.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8387 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Exactly: Atheists have no rules or moral requirements
You'll find out just how wrong you are if you live long enough. It will take us most of the next fifty years to assume majority stats, take the reigns, and redefine mainstream morality. You and I may well be dead before then.
derek4 wrote:
so they can judge others but use a book (the bible) which they say they don't believe in to condemn others for “allegedly” judging.
Of course we can. And ought to. You fail by your own standards, which are too low to start with. Why wouldn't we point that out?
derek4 wrote:
LMAO
Your ass is ours, chew toy.
derek4 wrote:
So, they use the bible when it serves their purpose, then when it does not serve their purpose, they say it doesn't apply. I see. That sounds like the typical atheist logic, okay.
Yes it is. Likewise with the multiplication table. We use it only when it serves our purpose. When it doesn't, we would say that it also doesn't apply.

Why does that seem odd to you, Dim? With time, some of our ways may start to make a little sense to you.
derek4 wrote:
Your post provides us excellent proof of atheist inconsistency, and your own personal inconsistency and corruption.
And your interpretation of it is a nice illustration of Christian thought. Thanks for all you do, Dim one.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8388 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
So you believe what the bible says?
Not a word.
derek4 wrote:
I mean, after all, it was you who referred to the bible
And will continue to ad lib.

Does that confuse you, Dim?

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8389 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
The atheists ... I have no interest in their objections
We know, Dim. Apparently, we don't care about that either, or we wouldn't still be here Rochambeauing your change purse up into your hypophysis for you, would we, my caliginous friend?

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8390 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
From The Wall Street Journal
Mistakes in Scientific Studies Surge
“It was the kind of study that made doctors around the world sit up and take notice: Two popular high-blood-pressure drugs were found to be much better in combination than either alone.
"There was a 'wow' reaction," recalls Franz Messerli, a New York doctor who, like many others, changed his prescription habits after the 2003 report.
Unfortunately, it wasn't true. Six and a half years later, the prestigious medical journal the Lancet retracted the paper, citing "serious concerns" about the findings.
This is woefully inadequate. Are you talking about the combination of ACEI's and ARBs? I think you are.

And what serious concerns were those? Renal insufficieny and hyperkalemia? We're all over it. We monitor BUN, creatinine, serum potassium and urine protein.
derek4 wrote:
The damage was done. Doctors by then had given the drug combination to well over 100,000 patients. Instead of protecting them from kidney problems, as the study said the drug combo could do, it left them more vulnerable to potentially life-threatening side effects, later studies showed. Today, "tens of thousands" of patients are still on the dual therapy, according to research firm SDI.
I'm one of them - self-prescribed. I take olmesartan (an ARB) and lisinopril (an ACEI), and have for years. The combination works great - 112/68 - and my renal function remains normal - creatinine 0.7 with no proteinuria.

WTF do you know about it?

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8391 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
The psychologist Diederik Stapel in an undated photograph.“I have failed as a scientist and researcher,”
He said that in a photograph, did he? You really are a slow chap, aren't you Dim. What other crap have you fetched us today?

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8392 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
University Suspects Fraud by a Researcher Who Studied Red Wine
“A charge of widespread scientific fraud, involving 26 articles published in 11 journals, was leveled by the University of Connecticut today against Dipak K. Das, one of its researchers, whose work reported health benefits in red wine.
Thanks, Dim, for illustrating for us how science weeds out its errors and triumphs yet again. This is why science -but not religion - can be trusted. It fact checks. Once it vets a finding, you can go to the bank with it! Religion, not so much.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8393 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
From The Guardian
Scientific fraud is rife: it's time to stand up for good science
It's never been any other way. And the scientific method of researching and vetting the research has never failed. Without it, you would not know about the failures of various scientists, would you Dim one? Each of these little stories of yours represents an instance of science policing itself.

By contrast, we had to police you, too. Without us, you and your sickening faith would still be burning people alive.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8394 Dec 13, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
And for the, the church's 501(c)(3) status should have been immediately revoked.
Agreed.

Do you know how difficult it is to get the IRS to even investigate such an allegation? We broached that a little while ago at http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... . I don't believe that you were posting with us here then.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8395 Dec 13, 2012
Roxxanna29 wrote:
How often do you see a Christian starting a thread that says: "Prove to me there isn't a God?" I've never seen one. Yet, in the Atheist Forums, they are constantly creating antagonistic threads.
Poor baby! You are so oppressed!

"Prove There's No God"
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TCVAJUD...

"Prove There is No God"
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TEMDEBM...

"prove there is no god"
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

"Atheists can't prove there is no God"
http://www.topix.com/forum/chicago/TOKM54204J...

"All you ATHEIST nuts out there, PROVE there is NO God!"
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T5MRGSE...

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8396 Dec 13, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/rel igion/atheism/TPQ2G056LT6M9PJ1 O
Great minds think alike! Of course, so do mediocre ones, but that is no concern of ours, right?

Since: Sep 12

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#8397 Dec 13, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Are you OK with your religion affecting only people like you that choose to be so affected, but not people like me? If so, do you support our vision of a church that has no relevance except with its own? Or would you rather impose Christian values on unbelievers as well?
As I understand it, in 2008, your church poured a lot of out-of-state money into a California election to support a proposition to ban same sex marriage, which carried and became law. Gays in California can't marry because Mormons in Utah didn't approve. Do you think that that was appropriate?
I don't.
I think its impossible to have a church that has no relevance except with its own, at least not a church as Christ would have it. Defending the institution of marriage is appropriate. If an individual finds significance in how a marriage is defined, I think that individual should have a say in how it is defined. I don't have a problem with anyone who is attracted to the same gender and neither does the church.(see http://www.mormonsandgays.org/ )

However, I don't condone homosexual activity.

Is it my place to say what is legally permitted? The government thinks so, since it gave me the right to vote on the issue. Was it right for me to vote yes on prop 8? Yes. Is that the right answer for everyone, probably not. I feel that marriage is between a man and a woman, and I think the law should reflect that and I have a right to express that.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#8398 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is The Wall Street Journal always wrong? How about The New York Times? How about the science journals? They're ALL wrong? Are you going to let them know, lol?
You get real hot when you lose. I'd hate to be downwind of you because I know that perspiration of yours stinks. But thanks for whining and giving us a good demo of how angry you get when you're making no points, as usual. I struck a nerve, your post shows it, lol.
The Wall Street Journal & New York Times are not your posts.

Your posts are when you take quotes from a guy called Miles Mathis and shamelessly attribute them to Richard Dawkins.

Please share with us the reasons why you chose to do this.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#8399 Dec 13, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>
The atheist hate of God proves God exists.
No one would expel that much fervor on something imaginary.
So, thank you to all atheists who, by your actions, confirm the truth of the Bible.
You bolster the faith of Christians.
Any bolstering is in your deluded imagination.

The rotting corpse of your religion is decaying around you.

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