Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Press

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Irrelevant to whom? Religion is already proclaimed to be irrelevant to those who do not believe in God or organized religion. Religion will always be relevant to those who believe.
So please explain, is religion becoming more irrelevant to you and to other people who thought religion was already irrelevant, OR are you extrapolating these statistics to come up with your own personal aggregate or gross measure of "religious irrelevance" in the world today? Please do share. If you have some kind of advanced accurate aggregate actuarial measure of "religious irrelevance" I think we all would love to hear about it.
As a major in measurement, as my peers like to say, I would love to hear how you measure relative "irrelevance of religion" while taking into account people like you who proclaim that religion is irrelevant to life yet spend a few minutes each day discussing religion with people. If you take that into consideration, I think you will find that religion is relevant to everyone's life. Simply consider in the way everyone interacts with people, the way portions of foreign policy is formed around other countries' religious beliefs, the way international businesses are forced to alter policies to accommodate clients' and employees' beliefs, and much much more.
As long as there is a religious person living, and that person's life is relevant to the general population, religion will be relevant.
What exactly is gained by a discussion of religion's relevance; declining, increasing, or remaining? I don't know. In all seriousness, perhaps there are some here who are so terrorized by bad experiences with religious people and institutions that they wish to remove all relevance or connections to religion from their lives and they wish to prove to themselves that religion is not relevant. In my opinion, by merely discussing religion as we are now, we are making religion more relevant to this forum, to the internet community, and the world as a whole.
It doesn't matter what your belief is: whether you're a Satanist, a Mormon, a Taoist, etc, your religion will always be relevant to you.

Who said I was talking about the world? We all know how highly superstition and mumbo jumbo figure in the third world and because of that, religion will always be relevant to those people.

My post and the figures I was referring to come from the official 2011 government census for England and Wales which published its results yesterday. My reference to the increasing irrelevance of religion was to its place in British society.

I stand by what I said.

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Thanks for sharing that thought.
You're very welcome.

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Yup, you got it. There are lots of prophets out there....true ones, false ones, ones who say they have seen God, and ones who simply have a testimony of Christ. It all depends on how you define a "prophet."
Male

That's a pretty good start isn't it? The vast majority of prophets chosen by the supreme cosmic mega-being are male.

Anyway, didn't you say that we have to wait till the end of time before we can be sure that a prophecy has been fulfilled or not?

With that in mind, how can you say that a prophet is false?

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I do see the article and that Mathias was the one that appeared to make those statements.
Kudos for admitting to that.

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Yes as I pointed out that killing humans and eating them is not wrong in some cultures with out God.
Obeying Gods morals is not as bad as you think. And mans morals with out God can get pretty rough.
When it comes to killing and eating your children, the god of the Bible doesn't set a particularly good example.

Check out Jeremiah 19:1-9

Here we have an account of people sacrificing their children to another god.

Does Jehovah save the children from this grisly fate? No, in fact, he makes it worse by getting angry with the adults and he makes them eat their own children.

Instead of stopping the killing of innocent children, Jehovah ensures that they will now be eaten by their parents?

What is possibly good about this story?
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As far as a God or many gods I find my faith in the bible with all its fulfilled prophets and proven recorded history.
Interesting how you should say you have "faith in the Bible", and not in Jesus. This is fundies are on such shaky ground. Cause you put your faith solely in a book of contradictions.
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Then at the end of your post, you accuse me of judging, but turn around and judge me in your last sentence. So it's okay for just YOU to judge, right?
Yes, I am not beholden to your rules. I dont have the bless ppl of pray for them or any of that rubbish as I dont believe in it. But tellingly you are unable to keep even to the basic requirements of your religion. Proving clearly that you are a false christian. Same goes for the other fundies here.
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I thought you mythology said this Jehovah made everything .... wouldn't that include hell.
So either hell exist at his pleasure or he's not omnipotent.
And, if it he could eliminate hell but allows it to exist, he's not omnibenevolent.
Nicely put.
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You said given enough time, anything can happen. I won't pull you up on the exact detail of that here, but at least you now understand there is no need for a creator.
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Really? Sure about that?
Lets see you said: "Why would it? A jet is designed"
Why would it: because of the Theory of randomness. That given enough rolls of the dice anything could happen. This is what you completely missed with that question.
Now : A Jet is designed.
This I love. You see with this line you shot down the random theory (Evolution) and agreed with a intelligent designer.
I believe not only could a cigarette paper fly through that but the whole tree it came from. LOLNN

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Atheists are more intelligent than religious people
Writing in the Freethinker (July 2008) Chris Barker argues that there is nothing racist about suggesting that atheists are more intelligent than believers.

IT was bound to happen. When Professor Richard Lynn claimed last month that people with higher IQs were less likely to believe in God many of those outraged by his assertion quickly tried to give his words a racist cast.

Professor Lynn, Emeritus Professor of Psychology at Ulster University, said many more members of the “intellectual elite” considered themselves atheists than the national average. A decline in religious observance over the last century was directly linked to a rise in average intelligence, he claimed.

Professor Lynn, who has provoked controversy in the past with research linking intelligence to race and sex, said university academics were less likely to believe in God than almost anyone else.

A survey of Royal Society fellows found that only 3.3 per cent believed in God – at a time when 68.5 percent of the general UK population described themselves as believers. A separate poll in the 90s found only seven percent of members of the American National Academy of Sciences believed in God.

Professor Lynn said most primary school children believed in God, but as they entered adolescence – and their intelligence increased – many started to have doubts.

He told The Times Higher Education magazine:

Why should fewer academics believe in God than the general population? I believe it is simply a matter of the IQ. Academics have higher IQs than the general population.

Several Gallup poll studies of the general population have shown that those with higher IQs tend not to believe in God.
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Ahhh.
Well, gee, we all have to put up with a few minor irritations. We have lots of spam in this forum - the red devil - for example, I skip all of his or her posts / spam.
And then, we have you for more spam....
But I have good news for you, Poly - I read ALL your posts.
Coming from me, that is a REAL compliment.
Hey, but don't let it go to your godless peabrain, since your posts mean nothing to me - but you shore do hang in there and try, don't ya?

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No one knows who you are, no one will grieve when you're gone, but the worms will love you.
Your religion can't die fast enough. We don't need people being taught to think like you. We can do so much better than this.

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You're unfamiliar with most things except the taste of your boogers you pick and eat while you're posting
More from Jesus, Inc.

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That simply calls for a repeat:
No link, no proof. You didn't do your research, so you failed us once again.
The link was posted when your lying caught you out.

You're the one who admits to not reading posts so the problem is yours - not mine.

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Let's ASSUME that's true. What does that prove, exactly? That Christianity is declining, as the Bible prophesied it would in the end time?[Yes.]
“You should know that being in the minority doesn't mean you're wrong. What percentage of the population did Noah and his family make up?“
Why are you referring to the Bible when you don't believe what it says?

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Conclusion: It seems very hard to conclude that atheists are under-represented in American prisons. They may, or may not, have failed to mention their atheism to authorities. In other words, the statistics are inconclusive.
Your whole argument rests on an assumption.

I could easily use a similar assumption when you quote statistics for numbers of religious adherents.

Except that I'm not as desperate as you.

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Atheism and Science
“Atheists have appealed to science in defence of their atheism since the first avowedly atheistic manuscripts of the mid seventeenth century..........
Your religion has been in trouble ever since Johannes Gutenberg introduced moveable type printing to Europe.

Prior to the printing press, Christians had a monopoly on the production of documents and books. They also had the authority to and influence to ensure that any documents it deemed to be heretical could be seized and destroyed as well as being able to torture and kill the authors.

Despite the best efforts of believers to prevent it, printing presses took book copying out of the hands of the Christians. This led to more and more secular publications which would shake the foundations of centuries of Christian thought.

Look at you, you're still shaking.

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No issues.
Believe what you wish. I'm just here for entertainment.
Thank you nad keep up the good work.

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No my low IQ troll it's what the words mean. It's their translation. You will have to show hostorical proof otherwise because the facts are as usual way against you.

You really fell for that old legend didn't you? You really thought ancient people thought scorched was a great name for their city?

:shakes head: One born every minute.
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Boy you just keep getting dumber.
Those definition came from what happened to those towns! Those words did not have those meanings before Gods judgement on them. LOLNN

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Don't forget making a complete jackass out of yourself as you get factually crushed daily. For example did you know the King James Version of the bible which you proudly use as your screen name was vastly edited and rewritten by order of the king to have it better match the Church of England's beliefs?

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No issues.
Believe what you wish. I'm just here for trolling.

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According to this link less incorrect spam agnostics do not exist. Want a do over, or shall we just mock you ineptitude as usual?
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The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as
Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%,
Hindu 13.78%,
Buddhist 7.13%,
Sikh 0.36%,
Jewish 0.21%,
Baha'i 0.11%,
other religions 11.17%,
non-religious 9.42%,
atheists 2.04%.
Please note that Non-religions is a separate category then atheist. Why?
Because they are not interchangeable!

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