Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11178 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8232 Dec 11, 2012
Well he did end up a believer after studying the carbon cycle, so he died a tw*t.
KJV wrote:
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Bottom line I agree.
KJV

United States

#8233 Dec 11, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Dream on. This is exactly backwards.

Most theists are gnostic theists. They tell us that they know for an ironclad fact that their god exists.

They see him everywhere they look, and offer the world as evidence to the rest of us that they are correct. They say that their god has spoken to them.

And they say that we can see their god too, but that we hate him and are trying to avoid accountability with him.

Contrarily, most atheists simply reject these claims without making any positive assertion about gods being impossible or nonexistent. I posted exactly that yesterday with reference to intelligent design:

God Himself wrote: "Why couldn't natural intelligence cause the formation of the universe by intelligently designing; even by evolution in as much as it is a process that can be used to create intelligently?"

IANS replied: "I can't say that it couldn't have, and I don't."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
"most atheists simply reject these claims without making any positive assertion about gods being impossible or nonexistent"

This wrong.

Merriam - Webster.
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity

One who believes is a positive assertion

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#8234 Dec 11, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
<quoted text>Yup, you got it. There are lots of prophets out there....true ones, false ones, ones who say they have seen God, and ones who simply have a testimony of Christ. It all depends on how you define a "prophet."
Money left after overhead and expenses.
KJV

United States

#8235 Dec 11, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Then how about a god? What are the odds of the pieces of a god finding one another without having even the help of a wind? How much time would that require?

And how could such a thing be a first cause? Assorted laws or forces must have existed for that to happen, and to maintain the god intact.

Let me guess: no rules or reason applies to your god. It simply transcends these problems because you need it to and say so.
God exist in a dimension you can't imagine. So it would be impossible to guess how God who is outside of time always existed. You can't even grasp what outside of time would be like even though we pretty much know it exist.

Since: Sep 12

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#8236 Dec 11, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Money left after overhead and expenses.
You speak my language!

Though I wouldn't say that's a cut and dry definition depending on the timing, contracts, current obligations and contingent liabilities. It depends on the instance. For example if you are using cost recovery you can't recognize a gain or profit until cash is collected in excess of the costs. In the instance of an installment sale don't recognize a gain or profit until cash is collected, in which case you recognize the cash collected minus the interest expense and apply an amount of the remaining cash to differed gain in a manner proportionate to your gross profit percentage. And don't get me started on the percent of completion method of recognizing revenue (profit). In some cases, depending on engineer estimates in the percent of completion method, one year you might have a "profit" on the project but the next year you have to recognize a loss in excess of your profit from the prior year...which makes you wonder if you really had a profit anyway because your assumptions were wrong.
KJV

United States

#8237 Dec 11, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>Another thought for KJV. An aeroplane is not assembled by one super powerful person, but a team of people. Who is to say the universe was not created by a collection of lesser gods. Bet he hadnt considered that possibility ;)
The 747 thing has to do with the possibility of randomness given enough time. So given enough time it is mathematically possible for a tornado to fly though a junk yard and create a perfect 747.

As far as a God or many gods I find my faith in the bible with all its fulfilled prophets and proven recorded history.

KJV

United States

#8238 Dec 11, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>Another thought for KJV. An aeroplane is not assembled by one super powerful person, but a team of people. Who is to say the universe was not created by a collection of lesser gods. Bet he hadnt considered that possibility ;)
Along those lines let me ask you this:
If is possible to alway cut the distance between your hand and a ball. then is it possible to ever actually touch that ball?
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8239 Dec 11, 2012
Define, in this context, "touch".
KJV wrote:
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Along those lines let me ask you this:
If is possible to alway cut the distance between your hand and a ball. then is it possible to ever actually touch that ball?
KJV

United States

#8240 Dec 11, 2012
Adam wrote:
Survey of religious belief in the UK
http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/644941...

One interesting finding "only 54% of the population say they are Christian, and of these, only 35% could correctly identify the first book of the New Testament."

What is clear is that most people wh call themselves Christian are not Christians, because they do not believe in the teachings of Christianity.
The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as

Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%,
Hindu 13.78%,
Buddhist 7.13%,
Sikh 0.36%,
Jewish 0.21%,
Baha'i 0.11%,
other religions 11.17%,
non-religious 9.42%,
atheists 2.04%.

Please note that Non-religions is a separate category then atheist. Why?
Because they are not interchangeable!
KJV

United States

#8241 Dec 11, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>KJV wrote, "Ah I see you are unfamiliar with the tornado / 747 argument or maybe discussion would be a better word for it.
You see it's basically goes like this. For the odds of nature to have created everything from more or less nothing would be far lower than a tornado going though a junk yard and leaving behind a perfectly built 747."

If he were unfamiliar with that fallacy, he wouldn't have mentioned Fred Hoyle in his post:

"Hoyle's Fallacy, sometimes called the junkyard tornado, is a term for Fred Hoyle's statistical analysis applied to evolutionary origins, in which he compares the probability of cellular life evolving to the chance of a tornado "sweeping through a junkyard" and assembling a functional aeroplane."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoyle%27s_fallac...
Knowing something is not the same as understanding it that's why.

He did say this:
"Thinking wrote:
Why would it? A jet is designed"
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8242 Dec 11, 2012
Don't you know any non-religious people that believe in something spiritual?
KJV wrote:
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Please note that Non-religions is a separate category then atheist. Why?
Because they are not interchangeable!
KJV

United States

#8243 Dec 11, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Actually, your argument is easily debunked with a reductio ad absurdum argument which seeks to demonstrate that a statement is ... false by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its acceptance.

In this case, you are arguing for the existence of a god based on the unlikeliness of a 747 (or a cell) existing undesigned, and offering this as evidence that an infinitely more complex entity must exist to account for it.

This is usually rebutted by some form of special pleading that basically says, "You can't use my argument because [insert irrelevant reason and unsupported claim here]"
I'm arguing that all there is. Look out into space as far as man can and look at life on earth all of it. How could it all have been created by a roll of the dice billions and billions of times. I don't think so and you do.
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8244 Dec 11, 2012
And?

You won't get a cigarette paper between my logic and IANS'
KJV wrote:
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Knowing something is not the same as understanding it that's why.
He did say this:
"Thinking wrote:
Why would it? A jet is designed"
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8245 Dec 11, 2012
So why the issue with life without a god?
KJV wrote:
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The 747 thing has to do with the possibility of randomness given enough time. So given enough time it is mathematically possible for a tornado to fly though a junk yard and create a perfect 747.
KJV

United States

#8246 Dec 11, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Sodom means scorched and Gomorrah means burning. You realize nobody would ever name their city that right? It was a legend nothing more.

Sheesh you are gullible.
Boy you just keep getting dumber.
Those definition came from what happened to those towns! Those words did not have those meanings before Gods judgement on them. LOLNN
KJV

United States

#8247 Dec 11, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>Poor, pitiful, and dense little you; whining again.

You and Kitten = repulsives.

Give your worthless opinion to Mr. Newdow, not me.

Tell all the atheist churches they are just spoofs. See how they react, and let me know how that's working out for you.

Tell this one too:

North Texas Church of Free Thought

“Whatever you don't believe, you're not alone”

“The North Texas Church of Freethought is a Fellowship of Unbelievers. We do what all the other churches do, but with one less god. Our aim is to offer atheists, agnostics, secular humanists, and freethinkers all the educational, inspirational, and social and emotional benefits of traditional faith-based churches. We do this by preaching Freethought, a rational approach to religious questions of life, love, meaning, and happiness. Our growing community of freethinkers provides a positive, affirming environment for leading a good life, free of the illogic and intolerance of other religions based on holy books and supernaturalism.

Historian David Fitzgerald, author of Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All, will be visiting the DFW area later this week. He will speak at SMU this Wednesday night October 10 at the Umpherey Lee building room 241 at 7 pm ($5 donation suggested), Thursday night October 11 at UTA's Bluebonnet Ballroom at 6 pm ($10 for nonstudents), and on Friday October 12 at UTD's Clark Center at 6 pm.”
http://www.churchoffreethought.org/

Atheists say Christians waste their time in church, yet they have meetings announced to the public, and you say they are “spoofs”? LMAO. Let's say you're right (and you're not) what bigger waste of time could there ever be?

YOU ARE THE REAL WASTE OF TIME.......LMAO.
"Atheists say Christians waste their time in church, yet they have meetings announced to the public, and you say they are “spoofs”? LMAO. Let's say you're right (and you're not) what bigger waste of time could there ever be? "

Because atheist lie. They know that church has a lot to offer. And they are jealous of it.
KJV

United States

#8248 Dec 11, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>Empty threats. Hell is imaginary.
Once your body has died you keep repeating that as you're being judged.
KJV

United States

#8249 Dec 11, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
But I don't like spam!
Do you like Monty Python?

Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam..........
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8250 Dec 11, 2012
It's dating badly- apart from "The Life of Brian". That's still excellent.
KJV wrote:
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Do you like Monty Python?
Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam..........
KJV

United States

#8251 Dec 11, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, I thought it was pretty funny.

Ah well, you know what they say about Christians lacking a sense of humour.
Vietnam vets don't need anymore crap we served our county we've watched the guy next to us taking a bullet in the face we've come home to dope smoking hippies calling us baby killers.

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