Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Star Press.

Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#8172 Dec 11, 2012
Survey of religious belief in the UK
http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/644941...

One interesting finding "only 54% of the population say they are Christian, and of these, only 35% could correctly identify the first book of the New Testament."

What is clear is that most people wh call themselves Christian are not Christians, because they do not believe in the teachings of Christianity.
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8173 Dec 11, 2012
Did you see the 2011 England and Wales Census data today?

"No religious affiliation" up 6.3m from 2001, christianity down 4.1m from 2001.

"The number of residents who stated that their religion was Christian in 2011 was fewer than in 2001. The size of this group decreased 13 percentage points to 59 per cent (33.2 million) in 2011 from 72 per cent (37.3 million) in 2001. The size of the group who stated that they had no religious affiliation increased by 10 percentage points from 15 per cent (7.7 million) in 2001 to 25 per cent (14.1 million) in 2011." - www.ons.gov.uk
Adam wrote:
Survey of religious belief in the UK
http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/644941...
One interesting finding "only 54% of the population say they are Christian, and of these, only 35% could correctly identify the first book of the New Testament."
What is clear is that most people wh call themselves Christian are not Christians, because they do not believe in the teachings of Christianity.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8174 Dec 11, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“Another example of irreducible complexity is ...
Dozens of such statements have been debunked already, most famously at Behe's expense during Kitzmiller v. Dover.
derek4 wrote:
... the system that allows proteins to reach the appropriate subcellular compartments ... All parts must function in synchrony or the system breaks down.


Another bare claim of irreducible complexity with absolutely nothing to back it up. For starters, there is still no mathematical definition of complexity provided by the people making these claims, no algorithm for identifying or quantifying complexity, and algorithm for determining when complexity is irreducuble.

Furthermore, as indicated, this claim is made cheaply by the creationists, and debunked regularly by scientists. All we have is repeated examples of Christians guessing and pointing their fingers at various systems, followed by scientists debunking their claims one by one.

Ken Miller made a laughingstock of Behe's mousetrap example of irreducible complexity at Kitzmiller. Behe claimed that a mousetrap with its five parts is irreducibly complex - remove a part and it has no function. Miller came into court wearing a mousetrap with two pieces removed as a tie clip. Here he is explaining this:

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8175 Dec 11, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Still another example is the exquisitely coordinated mechanism that causes blood to clot.
This is one from Behe as well, from his book Darwin's Black Box, also debunked:

"In the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trial, Behe gave testimony on the subject of irreducible complexity. The court found that "Professor Behe's claim for irreducible complexity has been refuted in peer-reviewed research papers and has been rejected by the scientific community at large.

"one of the clotting factors that Behe listed as a part of the clotting cascade was later found to be absent in whales, demonstrating that it is not essential for a clotting system." Wiki on irreducible complexity.

And here's Ken Miller debunking Behe's bogus clotting claim:
http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/DI/clo...

Nobody has introduced more junk science into the culture than you Christians.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#8176 Dec 11, 2012
It's called a spoof Dim. You actually took this seriously didn't you?

Holy effing sht.
derek4 wrote:
A favorite re-post
“First Atheist Church of True Science explains why atheism is a religion.”
Video in attached link is excerpt from an atheist sermon:
http://yourhappyplace.yuku.com/topic/54211/At...
[It's mostly all “double talk”- he's confused, as are most atheists - but the bottom line:“atheism is a religion”- he says it several times in his rambling rant, lol. So, there you have it from the very mouth of an atheist.]

Since: Mar 11

United States

#8177 Dec 11, 2012
Dim finds a spoof link, something meant to be a joke and he takes it seriously. Can you imagine all the wedgies he got back in school?
Khatru wrote:
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Lol
Ah yes, let's just remind ourselves how Dim thinks that all Christianity that came after Jesus should be purged!
ROFLMAO!!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8178 Dec 11, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Why would it? A jet is designed. btw Fred Hoyle also believed the Universe was static (i.e. ageless, no creation)
KJV wrote:
Ah I see you are unfamiliar with the tornado / 747 argument or maybe discussion would be a better word for it.
You see it's basically goes like this. For the odds of nature to have created everything from more or less nothing would be far lower than a tornado going though a junk yard and leaving behind a perfectly built 747.
If he were unfamiliar with that fallacy, he wouldn't have mentioned Fred Hoyle in his post:

"Hoyle's Fallacy, sometimes called the junkyard tornado, is a term for Fred Hoyle's statistical analysis applied to evolutionary origins, in which he compares the probability of cellular life evolving to the chance of a tornado "sweeping through a junkyard" and assembling a functional aeroplane."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoyle%27s_fallac...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8179 Dec 11, 2012
KJV wrote:
Math is a real bitch on evolution!
Actually, your argument is easily debunked with a reductio ad absurdum argument which seeks to demonstrate that a statement is ... false by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its acceptance.

In this case, you are arguing for the existence of a god based on the unlikeliness of a 747 (or a cell) existing undesigned, and offering this as evidence that an infinitely more complex entity must exist to account for it.

This is usually rebutted by some form of special pleading that basically says, "You can't use my argument because [insert irrelevant reason and unsupported claim here]"

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8180 Dec 11, 2012
Thinking wrote:
I am so unfamiliar with the 747 argument that I actually name dropped its flawed author Fred Hoyle in my previous post. So suck on that, god botherer.
Oh. Never mind. I should have looked first.

How about "godbotfly"?
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8181 Dec 11, 2012
Like it!
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh. Never mind. I should have looked first.
How about "godbotfly"?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#8182 Dec 11, 2012
Sodom means scorched and Gomorrah means burning. You realize nobody would ever name their city that right? It was a legend nothing more.

Sheesh you are gullible.
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
If there is no God then it's a majority rules on morals.
Sodom and Gomorrah for example.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#8183 Dec 11, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Did you see the 2011 England and Wales Census data today?
"No religious affiliation" up 6.3m from 2001, christianity down 4.1m from 2001.<quoted text>
Missed that. Seen it now.

The UK is becoming a very secular country.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8184 Dec 11, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>
Another thought for KJV. An aeroplane is not assembled by one super powerful person, but a team of people. Who is to say the universe was not created by a collection of lesser gods. Bet he hadnt considered that possibility ;)
I'm sure that you're right. A race of gods is probably more plausible than one god simply because there is no known reason why whatever could account for one god wouldn't generate many.

Of course, that is a theistic solution as well, meaning it doesn't solve or simplify the origins problem any better a monotheistic argument.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8185 Dec 11, 2012
Adam wrote:
Survey of religious belief in the UK
http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/644941...

One interesting finding "only 54% of the population say they are Christian, and of these, only 35% could correctly identify the first book of the New Testament."

What is clear is that most people who call themselves Christian are not Christians, because they do not believe in the teachings of Christianity.
Great link! Bookmarked. Thanks.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8186 Dec 11, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Did you see the 2011 England and Wales Census data today?

"No religious affiliation" up 6.3m from 2001, christianity down 4.1m from 2001.

"The number of residents who stated that their religion was Christian in 2011 was fewer than in 2001. The size of this group decreased 13 percentage points to 59 per cent (33.2 million) in 2011 from 72 per cent (37.3 million) in 2001. The size of the group who stated that they had no religious affiliation increased by 10 percentage points from 15 per cent (7.7 million) in 2001 to 25 per cent (14.1 million) in 2011." - www.ons.gov.uk
Congratulations.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#8188 Dec 11, 2012
Thinking wrote:
I am so unfamiliar with the 747 argument that I actually name dropped its flawed author Fred Hoyle in my previous post.<quoted text>
You're unfamiliar with most things except the taste of your boogers you pick and eat while you're posting; you're untrained; you don't participate or contribute anything – basically, you're just – well – nobody, lol.

No one knows who you are, no one will grieve when you're gone, but the worms will love you.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#8189 Dec 11, 2012
Thinking wrote:
god was about as discriminating in that attack as 9/11
If only you knew of a deity that could be more accurate.
<quoted text>
Personally, I feel it would have been nice had God taken you out, but he knows what's best. He allows you your few moments on earth and lets you blaspheme him all you want, then he just roasts you for eternity, lol. The plan is fairly simple – got it? He's in no hurry.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#8190 Dec 11, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
It's called a spoof Dim. You actually took this seriously didn't you?
Holy effing sht.
<quoted text>
Poor, pitiful, and dense little you; whining again.

You and Kitten = repulsives.

Give your worthless opinion to Mr. Newdow, not me.

Tell all the atheist churches they are just spoofs. See how they react, and let me know how that's working out for you.

Tell this one too:

North Texas Church of Free Thought

“Whatever you don't believe, you're not alone”

“The North Texas Church of Freethought is a Fellowship of Unbelievers. We do what all the other churches do, but with one less god. Our aim is to offer atheists, agnostics, secular humanists, and freethinkers all the educational, inspirational, and social and emotional benefits of traditional faith-based churches. We do this by preaching Freethought, a rational approach to religious questions of life, love, meaning, and happiness. Our growing community of freethinkers provides a positive, affirming environment for leading a good life, free of the illogic and intolerance of other religions based on holy books and supernaturalism.

Historian David Fitzgerald, author of Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All, will be visiting the DFW area later this week. He will speak at SMU this Wednesday night October 10 at the Umpherey Lee building room 241 at 7 pm ($5 donation suggested), Thursday night October 11 at UTA's Bluebonnet Ballroom at 6 pm ($10 for nonstudents), and on Friday October 12 at UTD's Clark Center at 6 pm.”
http://www.churchoffreethought.org/

Atheists say Christians waste their time in church, yet they have meetings announced to the public, and you say they are “spoofs”? LMAO. Let's say you're right (and you're not) what bigger waste of time could there ever be?

YOU ARE THE REAL WASTE OF TIME.......LMAO.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#8191 Dec 11, 2012
The Lies of Science Writing

“Writing about science poses a fundamental problem right at the outset: You have to lie.

I don't mean lie in the sense of intentionally misleading people. I mean that because math is the language of science, scientists who want to translate their work into popular parlance have to use verbal or pictorial metaphors that are necessarily inexact.

Here is where the art of science writing for the public truly lies. Choosing the proper metaphor can make all the difference between distorting science and providing an appropriate context from which nonscientists can appreciate new scientific findings and put them in perspective.

Not only is a good picture, even a mental one, worth at least a thousand words, but many scientists themselves think in these terms. Albert Einstein was famous for his Gedanken, or thought experiments, which he used to come up with both his Special and General Theories of Relativity long before experiments existed that could test them directly. His popular expositions on these subjects are still delightful and accessible today because they are full of pictures of trains, elevators and clocks.

Though metaphors are useful in trying to understand complicated scientific ideas, they have their pitfalls. Consider the demonstration many physicists use to describe the bending of space by matter: putting a bowling ball on a rubber sheet and watching it produce a deep indentation. This nicely shows how the sun curves space around it and how this affects the motion of other objects moving nearby.

But it's also a scam. The ball bends the rubber sheet and pulls in other objects simply because the whole apparatus is sitting in Earth's gravitational field. This image also gives many people the false impression that when we talk about curved or flat spaces, we are talking about two-dimensional surfaces embedded in a three-dimensional space and not about three-dimensional curved spaces themselves.

Consider another famous scientific metaphor, the evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins's idea of the "selfish gene." This is a brilliant and simple way to explain that natural selection relies on the self-perpetuation of genes that promote higher rates of survival. But for some critics, it suggests an intentionality that is absent in the process of evolution. Others worry that it implies an immoral world where selfishness wins out.

When used effectively, an apt metaphor can enhance the real purpose in writing about science for the public: provoking interest and a desire to learn more. Good teaching, after all, is really a matter of seduction. You have to tailor your material to win your audience's attention.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274...

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#8192 Dec 11, 2012
How School Science Lies:

http://www.google.com/url...

[Too much there to post, lol. Click the link yourselves, and read it, or scroll on by like all the others you say you scroll past and then specifically try to dispute parts you've obviously read, lol. Don't care what you do, peabrains.....]

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