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No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Thinking

Andover, UK

#8121 Dec 10, 2012
I prefer to two finger BS with a trackpad.
derek4 wrote:
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Yep, it's a great tool atheists use to escape facts. Scroll away, lol.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#8122 Dec 10, 2012
Define glass size, cuntard.
derek4 wrote:
Top 10 Lies of Science Taught at School
10. Ducks quake does not echo
... the ducks voice can echo and the claim is wrong. The reality is that human ear is not capable of hearing it due to some external conditions. This is now proved from many experiments in which ducks sound is exposed into a room which is specially designed for sound reflection.
9. Bats are blind
...bats are blessed with eyes and they can sight objects but they do not use them as a primary sense to position objects. This characteristic of bats let many scientist to call them blind which is a false statement.
8. CO2 is pollutant and injurious
Life on earth will be in danger without carbon dioxide since it is also very necessary. Plants require carbon dioxide in order to grow vigorously. Actually the toxic substances mixed with CO2 from industries are liable for pollution.
7. All people are different
This is a raging myth, out spread because of school teachings. This is only our appearance which distinguishes us but our behavioral attributes and reactions are same in same conditions. Many experiments have been taken to prove this myth and the result is that this is another fact of science which is proved to be wrong.
6. Human brain has five senses
[The]human brain has more than five senses which range from 9 to 20. The old theory says that human brain has five senses that are sight, smell, taste, touch and listening power.
5. Eight glasses of water a day are necessary for human health
It is not necessary to take 8 glasses of water daily.
4. The Great Wall of China is visible from moon
This myth has never been proved by Apollo astronauts nor by earth orbiting astronauts. The pictures taken from outside the earth have no glimpse of the Great Wall of China. Nevertheless, an image from space contains the look of city lights of earth.
3. Black holes suck all matters in environs
The wicked image of black holes has been set by our teachers at school when they taught us that it sucks all the matter around it. This a contrary image of black hole. They might have the ability to suck objects but not necessarily all of them.
2. Seasons are caused by the closeness of earth to sun
This is a wrong myth. In fact many cities have summer when the distance between the earth and sun has been increased. Recent research shows that seasons are caused by the change in angle of earth on its axis.
1. Newton discovered law of gravity because of an apple
.. it was never mentioned by Newton himself and the story came into existence after many decades of discovery of law of gravity. So this story is the biggest lie of science that our teachers taught us in school.
http://www.smashinglists.com/top-ten-lies-of-...
KJV

United States

#8123 Dec 10, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, it could. The probability is very small, but there is a chance of random wind events moving the parts in just the correct order. We don't see it because you'd have to be alive for several billion years to make that probability reach a high enough occurrence. Probability works like this:

There is a 0.0001% chance of an event occurring at a specific time and place, just a random number for the mathematical purposes.

When you increase the number of times it could happen, by 100 times, that chance increases exponentially, not additive but exponentially.

Each time that location is observed during these times the chances increase exponentially as well.

Thus if the location is viewed many times during those 100 time points, you increase the probably significantly of said event happening to at least 1%.

If you increase the number of locations it could happen the chances of it ever happening increase exponentially as well.

Using your "jumbo jet" example, let's assume the base change is 1x10^-100, knock off 50 of that because of how common tornadoes are to make it 1x10^-50. Another 25 for the number of junk yards to make it 1x10^-25. Then the number of people observing such events would decrease it to 1x10-10, since it's a lot of people. Now that would be on Earth only, if there are junk yards on other planets, and that's a very high probability, then you would multiply that chance by the number of planets those are one, which would likely be infinity since with an infinite number of planets, the most probable number, you have an infinite number with life on as well.
Oh I understand the math of it happening, I just don't believe those odds would ever come about. Just because it can't be ruled out 100% doesn't mean it would ever happen.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#8124 Dec 10, 2012
re-posting:

"Science Myths" in K-6 Textbooks and Popular culture

[Lies and science errors taught in our schools]

The complex and abstract nature of Science makes the subject difficult to understand. But complexity is not the only barrier to our understanding Science. The subject is made much more difficult by the presence of numerous misleading "Science Myths" which circulate in the popular culture, which are handed down from parents to children, and which have become so common and widespread that they appear widely in science textbooks and are taught as facts in grade school.(MORE)
http://amasci.com/miscon/miscon.html

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#8125 Dec 10, 2012
More debate about the eye evolving and debate about irreducible complexity. There has been no final resolution with sustainable evidence for evolution on the topic.

Never will be resolved.

Debate among professionals:

Another example of irreducible complexity is the system that allows proteins to reach the appropriate subcellular compartments. In the eukaryotic cell there are a number of places where specialized tasks, such as digestion of nutrients and excretion of wastes, take place. Proteins are synthesized outside these compartments and can reach their proper destinations only with the help of signal chemicals that turn other reactions on and off at the appropriate times. This constant, regulated traffic flow in the cell comprises another remarkably complex, irreducible system. All parts must function in synchrony or the system breaks down. Still another example is the exquisitely coordinated mechanism that causes blood to clot.

Biochemistry textbooks and journal articles describe the workings of some of the many living molecular machines within our cells, but they offer very little information about how these systems supposedly evolved by natural selection. Many scientists frankly admit their bewilderment about how they may have originated, but refuse to entertain the obvious hypothesis: that perhaps molecular machines appear to look designed because they really are designed.
Michael J. Behe [other prof opinions expressed here]:
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/nhm...

An apropriate conclusion:

If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.
Richard P. Feynman, atheist and scientist

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#8126 Dec 10, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Define glass size, cuntard.
<quoted text>
Thank you for essentially reposting my material when you chose the reply button to make a one line, senseless, useless remark that went nowhere. Keep up the great work!
Thinking

Andover, UK

#8127 Dec 10, 2012
Ha ha ha irreducible complexity in the salmonella died on its arse, didn't it?

Kitzmiller-Dover did not go well for the hard of thinking.
derek4 wrote:
More debate about the eye evolving and debate about irreducible complexity. There has been no final resolution with sustainable evidence for evolution on the topic.
Never will be resolved.
Debate among professionals:
Another example of irreducible complexity is the system that allows proteins to reach the appropriate subcellular compartments. In the eukaryotic cell there are a number of places where specialized tasks, such as digestion of nutrients and excretion of wastes, take place. Proteins are synthesized outside these compartments and can reach their proper destinations only with the help of signal chemicals that turn other reactions on and off at the appropriate times. This constant, regulated traffic flow in the cell comprises another remarkably complex, irreducible system. All parts must function in synchrony or the system breaks down. Still another example is the exquisitely coordinated mechanism that causes blood to clot.
Biochemistry textbooks and journal articles describe the workings of some of the many living molecular machines within our cells, but they offer very little information about how these systems supposedly evolved by natural selection. Many scientists frankly admit their bewilderment about how they may have originated, but refuse to entertain the obvious hypothesis: that perhaps molecular machines appear to look designed because they really are designed.
Michael J. Behe [other prof opinions expressed here]:
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/nhm...
An apropriate conclusion:
If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.
Richard P. Feynman, atheist and scientist
KJV

United States

#8128 Dec 10, 2012
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Why would it? A jet is designed. btw Fred Hoyle also believed the Universe was static (i.e. ageless, no creation)
Ah I see you are unfamiliar with the tornado / 747 argument or maybe discussion would be a better word for it.

You see it's basically goes like this.
For the odds of nature to have created everything from more or less nothing would be far lower than a tornado going though a junk yard and leaving behind a perfectly built 747.

Math is a real bitch on evolution!
KJV

United States

#8130 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>They won't go to the source because that's where the truth is. It gives them a kick to attack the messenger, but it does them no good.. According to them, science is GOD, and news sources are just made up.

Uhhh – where are their links?(missing - just like their honesty)
Bingo!
Thinking

Andover, UK

#8131 Dec 10, 2012
I am so unfamiliar with the 747 argument that I actually name dropped its flawed author Fred Hoyle in my previous post.

So suck on that, god botherer.
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah I see you are unfamiliar with the tornado / 747 argument or maybe discussion would be a better word for it.
You see it's basically goes like this.
For the odds of nature to have created everything from more or less nothing would be far lower than a tornado going though a junk yard and leaving behind a perfectly built 747.
Math is a real bitch on evolution!
KJV

United States

#8132 Dec 10, 2012
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>I am so unfamiliar with the 747 argument that I actually name dropped its flawed author Fred Hoyle in my previous post.

So suck on that, god botherer.
Wow you knew about it and still asked that stupid question.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#8133 Dec 10, 2012
You're so thick you called me on Hoyle's 747 *after* I name dropped him.

You're so dumb you probably also believe in the bible god!!! No, really, I think you're that stupid!!!

What a dicksplash you are.
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow you knew about it and still asked that stupid question.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#8134 Dec 10, 2012
KJV wrote:
All new atheist population around the world!

"Atheism losing adherents in terms of the global population

The 2004 to 2007 publicity campaign for atheism in the Western World was not sustainable. The level of public interest in atheism is not coming back in the West and global atheism is shrinking.

See also: Global atheism and American atheism and Atheist Population and Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian

In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.

In 2011, the American Spectator citing research published in the International Bulletin of Missionary Research reported that atheism is on the decline as a whole in terms of adherents .

The American Spectator declared:
â€ÂThe report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding.â€

In 2009, the book A sceptics guide to atheism indicated: "A worldwide poll taken in 1991 put the global figure for atheists at just 4.4% of the population. By 2006 it was estimated that only 2% of the world population were atheists."

In 2012 an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
The IBMR publishes yearly figures for religions (and non religions) around the globe. Their latest numbers, hot off the press (Jan. 2012) show some interesting trends.

Atheism is in Decline
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty 4.5% of the global population. By 2012 atheists†number is estimated at 137 million. Thats a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists share declined to less than one-in-fifty under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world!

Atheism is in decline.
Agnosticism is in Decline
In 2000 agnostics (those who don't know if there is a God) numbered 666 million, 10.9% of the worlds people. By 2012 agnosticâ€Âs number is estimated at 661 million--a decline of 5 million. In relative terms by 2012 agnostics represent less than one tenth (9.4%) of world population. Every 24 hours there are 1,100 less agnostics in the world. Agnostics are also in decline.
Added together these two groups make up a declining share of global population. In 1970 atheists and agnostics accounted for one-in-five (19.2%) of the worlds people. Based on current trends by 2025 they will represent less than one-in-ten (9.7%). Their population share will fall by half in 50+ years."

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism
Conservapedia.

Lol.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/growing-unbel...
KJV

United States

#8135 Dec 10, 2012
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>You're so thick you called me on Hoyle's 747 *after* I name dropped him.

You're so dumb you probably also believe in the bible god!!! No, really, I think you're that stupid!!!

What a dicksplash you are.
I can tell by your vast vocabulary what grade you are repeating in elementary school.

Do you use the name Thinking to help remind you to think before you type?

If so it does not seem to be working.

I still find it hard to believe you knew about the tornado / 747 theory and still asked me the question "why would it a jet airplane is designed". Like what's up with that?
KJV

United States

#8136 Dec 10, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>Conservapedia.

Lol.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/growing-unbel...
Here I correct a bunch of that weird letter crap

All new atheist population around the world!

"Atheism losing adherents in terms of the global population

The 2004 to 2007 publicity campaign for atheism in the Western World was not sustainable. The level of public interest in atheism is not coming back in the West and global atheism is shrinking.

See also: Global atheism and American atheism and Atheist Population and Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian

In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.

In 2011, the American Spectator citing research published in the International Bulletin of Missionary Research reported that atheism is on the decline as a whole in terms of adherents .

The American Spectator declared:
“The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding.”

In 2009, the book A sceptics guide to atheism indicated: "A worldwide poll taken in 1991 put the global figure for atheists at just 4.4% of the population. By 2006 it was estimated that only 2% of the world population were atheists."

In 2012 an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
The IBMR publishes yearly figures for religions (and non religions) around the globe. Their latest numbers, hot off the press (Jan. 2012) show some interesting trends.

Atheism is in Decline
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty 4.5% of the global population. By 2012 atheists’ number is estimated at 137 million. Thats a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists share declined to less than one-in-fifty under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world!

Atheism is in decline.
Agnosticism is in Decline
In 2000 agnostics (those who don't know if there is a God) numbered 666 million, 10.9% of the worlds people. By 2012 agnostic’s number is estimated at 661 million--a decline of 5 million. In relative terms by 2012 agnostics represent less than one tenth (9.4%) of world population. Every 24 hours there are 1,100 less agnostics in the world. Agnostics are also in decline.
Added together these two groups make up a declining share of global population. In 1970 atheists and agnostics accounted for one-in-five (19.2%) of the worlds people. Based on current trends by 2025 they will represent less than one-in-ten (9.7%). Their population share will fall by half in 50+ years."

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#8137 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Top 10 Lies of Science Taught at School
10. Ducks quake does not echo
... the ducks voice can echo and the claim is wrong. The reality is that human ear is not capable of hearing it due to some external conditions. This is now proved from many experiments in which ducks sound is exposed into a room which is specially designed for sound reflection.
9. Bats are blind
...bats are blessed with eyes and they can sight objects but they do not use them as a primary sense to position objects. This characteristic of bats let many scientist to call them blind which is a false statement.
8. CO2 is pollutant and injurious
Life on earth will be in danger without carbon dioxide since it is also very necessary. Plants require carbon dioxide in order to grow vigorously. Actually the toxic substances mixed with CO2 from industries are liable for pollution.
7. All people are different
This is a raging myth, out spread because of school teachings. This is only our appearance which distinguishes us but our behavioral attributes and reactions are same in same conditions. Many experiments have been taken to prove this myth and the result is that this is another fact of science which is proved to be wrong.
6. Human brain has five senses
[The]human brain has more than five senses which range from 9 to 20. The old theory says that human brain has five senses that are sight, smell, taste, touch and listening power.
5. Eight glasses of water a day are necessary for human health
It is not necessary to take 8 glasses of water daily.
4. The Great Wall of China is visible from moon
This myth has never been proved by Apollo astronauts nor by earth orbiting astronauts. The pictures taken from outside the earth have no glimpse of the Great Wall of China. Nevertheless, an image from space contains the look of city lights of earth.
3. Black holes suck all matters in environs
The wicked image of black holes has been set by our teachers at school when they taught us that it sucks all the matter around it. This a contrary image of black hole. They might have the ability to suck objects but not necessarily all of them.
2. Seasons are caused by the closeness of earth to sun
This is a wrong myth. In fact many cities have summer when the distance between the earth and sun has been increased. Recent research shows that seasons are caused by the change in angle of earth on its axis.
1. Newton discovered law of gravity because of an apple
.. it was never mentioned by Newton himself and the story came into existence after many decades of discovery of law of gravity. So this story is the biggest lie of science that our teachers taught us in school.
http://www.smashinglists.com/top-ten-lies-of-...
You must have gone to a really, really bad school.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#8138 Dec 10, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>Here I correct a bunch of that weird letter crap

All new atheist population around the world!

"Atheism losing adherents in terms of the global population

The 2004 to 2007 publicity campaign for atheism in the Western World was not sustainable. The level of public interest in atheism is not coming back in the West and global atheism is shrinking.

See also: Global atheism and American atheism and Atheist Population and Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian

In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.

In 2011, the American Spectator citing research published in the International Bulletin of Missionary Research reported that atheism is on the decline as a whole in terms of adherents .

The American Spectator declared:
â€ÂThe report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding.â€

In 2009, the book A sceptics guide to atheism indicated: "A worldwide poll taken in 1991 put the global figure for atheists at just 4.4% of the population. By 2006 it was estimated that only 2% of the world population were atheists."

In 2012 an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
The IBMR publishes yearly figures for religions (and non religions) around the globe. Their latest numbers, hot off the press (Jan. 2012) show some interesting trends.

Atheism is in Decline
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty 4.5% of the global population. By 2012 atheists†number is estimated at 137 million. Thats a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists share declined to less than one-in-fifty under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world!

Atheism is in decline.
Agnosticism is in Decline
In 2000 agnostics (those who don't know if there is a God) numbered 666 million, 10.9% of the worlds people. By 2012 agnosticâ€Âs number is estimated at 661 million--a decline of 5 million. In relative terms by 2012 agnostics represent less than one tenth (9.4%) of world population. Every 24 hours there are 1,100 less agnostics in the world. Agnostics are also in decline.
Added together these two groups make up a declining share of global population. In 1970 atheists and agnostics accounted for one-in-five (19.2%) of the worlds people. Based on current trends by 2025 they will represent less than one-in-ten (9.7%). Their population share will fall by half in 50+ years."

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism
In the underdeveloped world.

Move to sub Saharan Africa.

You'll be in your proselytizing glory.

Here...not so much.
KJV

United States

#8140 Dec 10, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>In the underdeveloped world.

Move to sub Saharan Africa.

You'll be in your proselytizing glory.

Here...not so much.
Sodom and Gomorrah had a real high percentage of atheist so don't feel to bad. If I was you I'd watch my salt intake. LOL

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8141 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
"the event was strictly voluntary"? But that wasn't good enough for atheists who want to dictate their beliefs and prevent anyone from attending a voluntary event.....atheists aren't happy unless they mandate their godlessness. This is their "crusade".
You don't need to understand church-state separation issues, nor why having religious events on public property is unacceptable. You just need to comply.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8142 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
a quote they claim came from Thomas Jefferson, the Third President of the United States. "I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature," the billboard "quotes" the president as having said. "It is founded on fables and mythology," this quote concludes.
Why would I believe a Christian about this matter? That sure sounds like Jefferson to me, the same man that said all of the following, all of which would make nice billboards as well:

[1] "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." -Thomas Jefferson

[2] "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes." - Thomas Jefferson

[3]Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are serviley crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God, because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blind faith. Thomas Jefferson

[4] "Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight." - Thomas Jefferson

[5] "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." -Thomas Jefferson

[6] "Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned."- Thomas Jefferson

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