Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Star Press.

KJV

United States

#8130 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>They won't go to the source because that's where the truth is. It gives them a kick to attack the messenger, but it does them no good.. According to them, science is GOD, and news sources are just made up.

Uhhh – where are their links?(missing - just like their honesty)
Bingo!
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8131 Dec 10, 2012
I am so unfamiliar with the 747 argument that I actually name dropped its flawed author Fred Hoyle in my previous post.

So suck on that, god botherer.
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah I see you are unfamiliar with the tornado / 747 argument or maybe discussion would be a better word for it.
You see it's basically goes like this.
For the odds of nature to have created everything from more or less nothing would be far lower than a tornado going though a junk yard and leaving behind a perfectly built 747.
Math is a real bitch on evolution!
KJV

United States

#8132 Dec 10, 2012
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>I am so unfamiliar with the 747 argument that I actually name dropped its flawed author Fred Hoyle in my previous post.

So suck on that, god botherer.
Wow you knew about it and still asked that stupid question.
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8133 Dec 10, 2012
You're so thick you called me on Hoyle's 747 *after* I name dropped him.

You're so dumb you probably also believe in the bible god!!! No, really, I think you're that stupid!!!

What a dicksplash you are.
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow you knew about it and still asked that stupid question.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#8134 Dec 10, 2012
KJV wrote:
All new atheist population around the world!

"Atheism losing adherents in terms of the global population

The 2004 to 2007 publicity campaign for atheism in the Western World was not sustainable. The level of public interest in atheism is not coming back in the West and global atheism is shrinking.

See also: Global atheism and American atheism and Atheist Population and Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian

In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.

In 2011, the American Spectator citing research published in the International Bulletin of Missionary Research reported that atheism is on the decline as a whole in terms of adherents .

The American Spectator declared:
â€ÂThe report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding.â€Ã

In 2009, the book A sceptics guide to atheism indicated: "A worldwide poll taken in 1991 put the global figure for atheists at just 4.4% of the population. By 2006 it was estimated that only 2% of the world population were atheists."

In 2012 an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
The IBMR publishes yearly figures for religions (and non religions) around the globe. Their latest numbers, hot off the press (Jan. 2012) show some interesting trends.

Atheism is in Decline
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty 4.5% of the global population. By 2012 atheists†number is estimated at 137 million. Thats a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists share declined to less than one-in-fifty under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world!

Atheism is in decline.
Agnosticism is in Decline
In 2000 agnostics (those who don't know if there is a God) numbered 666 million, 10.9% of the worlds people. By 2012 agnosticâ€Âs number is estimated at 661 million--a decline of 5 million. In relative terms by 2012 agnostics represent less than one tenth (9.4%) of world population. Every 24 hours there are 1,100 less agnostics in the world. Agnostics are also in decline.
Added together these two groups make up a declining share of global population. In 1970 atheists and agnostics accounted for one-in-five (19.2%) of the worlds people. Based on current trends by 2025 they will represent less than one-in-ten (9.7%). Their population share will fall by half in 50+ years."

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism
Conservapedia.

Lol.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/growing-unbel...
KJV

United States

#8135 Dec 10, 2012
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>You're so thick you called me on Hoyle's 747 *after* I name dropped him.

You're so dumb you probably also believe in the bible god!!! No, really, I think you're that stupid!!!

What a dicksplash you are.
I can tell by your vast vocabulary what grade you are repeating in elementary school.

Do you use the name Thinking to help remind you to think before you type?

If so it does not seem to be working.

I still find it hard to believe you knew about the tornado / 747 theory and still asked me the question "why would it a jet airplane is designed". Like what's up with that?
KJV

United States

#8136 Dec 10, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>Conservapedia.

Lol.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/growing-unbel...
Here I correct a bunch of that weird letter crap

All new atheist population around the world!

"Atheism losing adherents in terms of the global population

The 2004 to 2007 publicity campaign for atheism in the Western World was not sustainable. The level of public interest in atheism is not coming back in the West and global atheism is shrinking.

See also: Global atheism and American atheism and Atheist Population and Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian

In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.

In 2011, the American Spectator citing research published in the International Bulletin of Missionary Research reported that atheism is on the decline as a whole in terms of adherents .

The American Spectator declared:
“The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding.”

In 2009, the book A sceptics guide to atheism indicated: "A worldwide poll taken in 1991 put the global figure for atheists at just 4.4% of the population. By 2006 it was estimated that only 2% of the world population were atheists."

In 2012 an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
The IBMR publishes yearly figures for religions (and non religions) around the globe. Their latest numbers, hot off the press (Jan. 2012) show some interesting trends.

Atheism is in Decline
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty 4.5% of the global population. By 2012 atheists’ number is estimated at 137 million. Thats a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists share declined to less than one-in-fifty under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world!

Atheism is in decline.
Agnosticism is in Decline
In 2000 agnostics (those who don't know if there is a God) numbered 666 million, 10.9% of the worlds people. By 2012 agnostic’s number is estimated at 661 million--a decline of 5 million. In relative terms by 2012 agnostics represent less than one tenth (9.4%) of world population. Every 24 hours there are 1,100 less agnostics in the world. Agnostics are also in decline.
Added together these two groups make up a declining share of global population. In 1970 atheists and agnostics accounted for one-in-five (19.2%) of the worlds people. Based on current trends by 2025 they will represent less than one-in-ten (9.7%). Their population share will fall by half in 50+ years."

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#8137 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Top 10 Lies of Science Taught at School
10. Duck’s quake does not echo
“... the duck’s voice can echo and the claim is wrong. The reality is that human ear is not capable of hearing it due to some external conditions. This is now proved from many experiments in which duck’s sound is exposed into a room which is specially designed for sound reflection.”
9. Bats are blind
“...bats are blessed with eyes and they can sight objects but they do not use them as a primary sense to position objects. This characteristic of bats let many scientist to call them blind which is a false statement.”
8. CO2 is pollutant and injurious
“Life on earth will be in danger without carbon dioxide since it is also very necessary. Plants require carbon dioxide in order to grow vigorously. Actually the toxic substances mixed with CO2 from industries are liable for pollution.”
7. All people are different
“This is a raging myth, out spread because of school teachings. This is only our appearance which distinguishes us but our behavioral attributes and reactions are same in same conditions. Many experiments have been taken to prove this myth and the result is that this is another fact of science which is proved to be wrong.”
6. Human brain has five senses
[The]“human brain has more than five senses which range from 9 to 20. The old theory says that human brain has five senses that are sight, smell, taste, touch and listening power.”
5. Eight glasses of water a day are necessary for human health
“It is not necessary to take 8 glasses of water daily.”
4. The Great Wall of China is visible from moon
“This myth has never been proved by Apollo astronauts nor by earth orbiting astronauts. The pictures taken from outside the earth have no glimpse of the Great Wall of China. Nevertheless, an image from space contains the look of city lights of earth.”
3. Black holes suck all matters in environs
“The wicked image of black holes has been set by our teachers at school when they taught us that it sucks all the matter around it. This a contrary image of black hole. They might have the ability to suck objects but not necessarily all of them.”
2. Seasons are caused by the closeness of earth to sun
“This is a wrong myth. In fact many cities have summer when the distance between the earth and sun has been increased. Recent research shows that seasons are caused by the change in angle of earth on its axis.”
1. Newton discovered law of gravity because of an apple
“.. it was never mentioned by Newton himself and the story came into existence after many decades of discovery of law of gravity. So this story is the biggest lie of science that our teachers taught us in school.”
http://www.smashinglists.com/top-ten-lies-of-...
You must have gone to a really, really bad school.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#8138 Dec 10, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>Here I correct a bunch of that weird letter crap

All new atheist population around the world!

"Atheism losing adherents in terms of the global population

The 2004 to 2007 publicity campaign for atheism in the Western World was not sustainable. The level of public interest in atheism is not coming back in the West and global atheism is shrinking.

See also: Global atheism and American atheism and Atheist Population and Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian

In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.

In 2011, the American Spectator citing research published in the International Bulletin of Missionary Research reported that atheism is on the decline as a whole in terms of adherents .

The American Spectator declared:
â€ÂThe report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding.â€Ã

In 2009, the book A sceptics guide to atheism indicated: "A worldwide poll taken in 1991 put the global figure for atheists at just 4.4% of the population. By 2006 it was estimated that only 2% of the world population were atheists."

In 2012 an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
The IBMR publishes yearly figures for religions (and non religions) around the globe. Their latest numbers, hot off the press (Jan. 2012) show some interesting trends.

Atheism is in Decline
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty 4.5% of the global population. By 2012 atheists†number is estimated at 137 million. Thats a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists share declined to less than one-in-fifty under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world!

Atheism is in decline.
Agnosticism is in Decline
In 2000 agnostics (those who don't know if there is a God) numbered 666 million, 10.9% of the worlds people. By 2012 agnosticâ€Âs number is estimated at 661 million--a decline of 5 million. In relative terms by 2012 agnostics represent less than one tenth (9.4%) of world population. Every 24 hours there are 1,100 less agnostics in the world. Agnostics are also in decline.
Added together these two groups make up a declining share of global population. In 1970 atheists and agnostics accounted for one-in-five (19.2%) of the worlds people. Based on current trends by 2025 they will represent less than one-in-ten (9.7%). Their population share will fall by half in 50+ years."

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism
In the underdeveloped world.

Move to sub Saharan Africa.

You'll be in your proselytizing glory.

Here...not so much.
KJV

United States

#8140 Dec 10, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>In the underdeveloped world.

Move to sub Saharan Africa.

You'll be in your proselytizing glory.

Here...not so much.
Sodom and Gomorrah had a real high percentage of atheist so don't feel to bad. If I was you I'd watch my salt intake. LOL

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8141 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
"the event was strictly voluntary"? But that wasn't good enough for atheists who want to dictate their beliefs and prevent anyone from attending a voluntary event.....atheists aren't happy unless they mandate their godlessness. This is their "crusade".
You don't need to understand church-state separation issues, nor why having religious events on public property is unacceptable. You just need to comply.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8142 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
a quote they claim came from Thomas Jefferson, the Third President of the United States. "I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature," the billboard "quotes" the president as having said. "It is founded on fables and mythology," this quote concludes.
Why would I believe a Christian about this matter? That sure sounds like Jefferson to me, the same man that said all of the following, all of which would make nice billboards as well:

[1] "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." -Thomas Jefferson

[2] "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes." - Thomas Jefferson

[3]“Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are serviley crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God, because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blind faith.”– Thomas Jefferson

[4] "Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight." - Thomas Jefferson

[5] "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." -Thomas Jefferson

[6] "Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned."- Thomas Jefferson

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8143 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
"The following is an account of how I went from hardcore skepticism to hardcore worship of the Savior, Jesus Christ.”
How about a little moderation? This sounds like an extremist with no core beliefs who was erratically looking for something to adhere to. Such people often end up strung out on Jesus.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8144 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“Whatsoever is good for God's children they shall have it, for all is theirs to further them to heaven; therefore, if poverty be good, they shall have it; if disgrace be good, they shall have it; if crosses be good, they shall have them; if misery be good, they shall have it; for all is ours, to serve for our greatest good.” Richard Sibbes
Doormat and fool. He defines whatever befalls him as not just good, but chosen for him. Secularists define the good themselves and create it.

Christianity is a religion for doormats. It's apparent from its stated values that the Christian is to accept an inferior lot and be grateful for it.

Like the man quoted above, he is to be grateful for his poverty, his misery, and and ridicule heaped on him, for it is prophesied. He is to be meek and long-suffering, never objecting to his degradation, in fact increasing it by getting on his knees and thanking the ceiling for his lot. He is told that his reward comes later - after death - when all accounts will be squared.

But for now, when massah smacks his cheek, he is to smile and produce the other one.

Doormat.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8145 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“Someone once said that if you sat a million monkeys at a million typewriters for a million years, one of them would eventually type out all of Hamlet by chance.”
Peter Kreeft professor of philosophy
Actually, the saying is that an infinite amount of time is provided, not a million years. Huge difference. And with that much time, a million monkeys aren't necessary. One will do.

You may consider these trivial criticisms, but they shouldn't be to a philosopher. This is a poor thinker. Let's see more:
derek4 wrote:
"But when we find the text of Hamlet, we don't wonder whether it came from chance and monkeys. Why then does the atheist use that incredibly improbable explanation for the universe?"
Does anybody other than Dim have trouble debunking this argument? Of course we don't wonder if Shakespeare was generated by monkeys. That would only be an option if an infinite time span containing at least one infinitely old typing monkey had transpired.

What quality philosopher makes such transparently fallacious arguments? Here's a chance to use one of our words from the word lists at http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... :

[8] Philosophaster - shitty or inferior philosopher

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8146 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“The reason why many people do not believe in God is not so much that it is intellectually impossible to believe in God, but because belief in God forces that thoughtful person to face the fact that he is accountable to such a God.”
Robert A. Laidlaw
Au contraire. Christianity is a way of avoiding accountability for your moral crimes. You simply demand forgiveness from the ceiling fan and move on without making restitution or apologizing to your victim if you prefer not to.

What is the accountability for a person who sets off a bomb killing dozens, then finds Jesus and dies of a heart attack before he is brought to justice? He goes straight to heaven.

Secularists actually hold people accountable. According to secular ethics, you don't get to forgive yourself with cheap forgiveness on demand from the sky.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8147 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“Even the most admirable of atheists is nothing more than a moral parasite, living his life based on borrowed ethics.” Vox Day
Speaking of moral parasites, for starters, the Christians stole the Jews' moral code.

Moreover, secularists have been teaching Christians how to be better people ever since. Where did Christians learn that it is immoral to burn people alive? Who taught them that? Jesus? Nope.He was burning witches in Salem. It was the secularist that replace theocracy with liberal democracies and outlawed it.

Who told the Christians that it's not right to own or beat slaves? Not Jesus. http://pathofthebeagle.com/2011/10/20/what-di...

If not Jesus, who, then? Mohammed? The Stalinists? Who else could it have been but the secular humanists of every era, by which is meant anybody who ever stood up against a god or its priests and employed reason and compassion in taking the side of mankind against them and their book.

And in these days, we secular humanists are leading the way again. We are presently teaching American society that the church is wrong in its scapegoating of gays, its antiscientism, its dehumanizing of atheists, its oppression of women's equal status, its deep pessimism about man, and its intense sexual prudery.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8148 Dec 10, 2012
Khatru wrote:
Great stuff! That's a good list of words to have on hand.
Thanks. I'm glad you liked the lists. For me, they're interesting, instructive and fun. If you're interested, here's another word list - this time, words having to do with women - at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE... .

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8149 Dec 10, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
I love your word lists!
Thanks. I guess you saw the one I just linked to - girls and women.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8150 Dec 10, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
Interesting. For me, it [caliginous] seems close to cartilage. Definitely not warmth and light.
I can see that. The idea that a word sounds like it should mean something else is probably pretty subjective. You are likely hearing "cartilaginous." I think I'm hearing "calorie" and "calefacient," which invoke a sense of heat energy that I am translating to light.

There are also the words beginning with the root "calli-" meaning beautiful, such as calligraphy and callipygian (on the girls and women list).

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