Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Star Press.

Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8029 Dec 10, 2012
Wow - a catholic that doesn't believe in Atheism shocker.
derek4 wrote:
“The only atheism is the denial of truth.”
Arthur Lynch
Arthur Alfred Lynch (16 October 1861 – 25 March 1934) was an Irish Australian civil engineer, physician, journalist, author, soldier, anti-imperialist and polymath. He served as MP in the House of Commons of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland as member of the Irish Parliamentary Party...“
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Alfred_Ly...
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#8030 Dec 10, 2012
GK was also anti-Semitic. Which view is right? From his Wikipedia page:

Chesterton writes that Edward I was “just and conscientious” a monarch never more truly representative of his people than when he expelled the Jews,“as powerful as they are unpopular.” Chesterton writes Jews were “capitalists of their age” so that when Edward “flung the alien financiers out of the land,” he acted as “knight errant,” and “tender father of his people.”
derek4 wrote:
“If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents - the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else's. But if their thoughts - i.e., Materialism and Astronomy - are mere accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It's like expecting the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milk-jug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.”
C.S. Lewis
“There are those who hate Christianity and call their hatred an all-embracing love for all religions.”
G.K. Chesterton

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#8031 Dec 10, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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News is news. It tells it like it is.
You would never stoop to a level to cast Christians in a bad light, would you?
No, you guys do such a good job already.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#8032 Dec 10, 2012
Dim just copies and pastes nonsense without checking into it. He is so desperate he actually posted a link to a goth costume jewelry store where the owner jokingly called a cross necklace for sale the atheist cross.

He took it seriously.
Thinking wrote:
GK was also anti-Semitic. Which view is right? From his Wikipedia page:
Chesterton writes that Edward I was “just and conscientious” a monarch never more truly representative of his people than when he expelled the Jews,“as powerful as they are unpopular.” Chesterton writes Jews were “capitalists of their age” so that when Edward “flung the alien financiers out of the land,” he acted as “knight errant,” and “tender father of his people.”
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Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#8033 Dec 10, 2012
KJV wrote:
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I love the way the Atheist like puppet boy treat the the Theist as if we are the minority in the world simply because they out number on the atheist boards.
Lets take a look a reality.
Now pay close attention to the last entry and it name "Atheist" vs "non-religious"
2nd to last.
IF THEY WERE THE SAME THEY WOULD HAVE LISTED THEM THAT WAY!
The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, non-religious 9.42%, atheists 2.04%.
Wow. A whole 2.04% you guys are kicking some ass. LOL
Type all the lies you want survey after survey shows Atheist below 2.5%
They can seem to understand that we're here for the same reasons that people go to the Zoo. Something's you have to see to believe.
As we can see from the figures for Christianity and indeed other religions; a stupid idea remains a stupid idea irrespective of how many people subscribe to it

So where are the YECS in this list?

I guess you're so small you don't even register.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#8034 Dec 10, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Atheist?
"Singer went on to explain that he is a “consequentialist.” For the benefit of the philosophically challenged let me explain “consequentialism” in a nutshell: If you like the consequences it’s ethical, if you don’t like the consequences it’s unethical. Thus, if you enjoy child pornography and having sex with children it’s ethical, if you dislike child pornography and having sex with children it’s unethical. In an article entitled “Heavy Petting,” Singer likewise gave his stamp of approval to bestiality. As a reward for producing such pearls of wisdom, he has been granted the privilege of teaching our children “ethics” at an Ivy League university. Moreover, he is by no means the only atheistic philosopher industriously engaged in greasing the precarious slope on which Western society totters. Hence, my “plea” to atheists, for the philosophical groundwork for the acceptance of pedophilia has already been put in place by such philosophers.
Joel Marks, Professor Emeritus of Philosophy at the U. of New Haven, who for 10 years authored the “Moral Moments” column in Philosophy Now, made the following, rather shocking about-face in a 2010 article entitled,“An Amoral Manifesto.”
“This philosopher has been laboring under an unexamined assumption, namely that there is such a thing as right and wrong. I now believe there isn’t…The long and short of it is that I became convinced that atheism implies amorality; and since I am an atheist, I must therefore embrace amorality…I experienced my shocking epiphany that religious fundamentalists are correct; without God there is no morality. But they are incorrect, I still believe, about there being a God. Hence, I believe, there is no morality.( http://www.philosophynow.org/issue80/An_Amora... )"
Always cheque that your copy + paste job is legible before you post it.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#8035 Dec 10, 2012
KJV wrote:
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"It is axiomatic that in the world of the atheist there is neither morality nor immorality, only a morality. This is often misunderstood to mean that atheists have no values. That conclusion would clearly be erroneous. To associate atheism with amorality is not to say that atheists have no values, they certainly do; amorality is a commentary, not on the existence of values, but on the significance of those values. Since in the atheistic worldview we are nothing more than upright walking primates, our value systems have no more significance than those of our jungle dwelling relatives. In the Darwinian view, the human is to the cockroach as the cockroach is to the paramecium. To imagine that we are something “more” is just that: a product of the human imagination."
"For the atheist, morality is simply a word that is used to describe the type of system that an individual or society subjectively prefers. Each society establishes, maintains, and modifies its values to suit its own needs.
“Morality is the custom of one’s country and the current feeling of one’s peers. Cannibalism is moral in a cannibalistic country.”(Samuel Butler)
Since these values are nothing more than reflections of the prevalent subjective preferences they obviously will shift and metamorphose to accommodate changing needs and attitudes."
You're a fine one to talk about morals.

Sorry, my mistake. what you're doing here is letting someone do your thinking for you. Be careful though, as you may end up condoning genocide, incest, slavery, subjugation of women, etc.

Sorry, my mistake again. I see that you already do.

So, in essence...

Your religion means defending genocide and infanticide. It means you approve of the murder of homosexuals, as well as anyone else who wishes to exercise religious freedom.

Furthermore, you base your whole moral system on an unproveable supernatural being. You've already demonstrated that this means you're prepared to kill for those morals.

You'll excuse me if I prefer the foundation of good solid non-belief for building my ethics. My morals can be based on verifiable common interests, known causes and known consequences.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#8036 Dec 10, 2012
KJV wrote:
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You think you're knocking them down!
LMAO
How do you spell delusional? Khatru
How do I spell delusional?

C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N-I-T-Y

Since: Nov 11

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#8037 Dec 10, 2012
RHill wrote:
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So, what you got beside "feelings" backing your belief system? You base your life around "feelings" and you have no interest in mine? Seems you have all the makings of a good Christian.
What do you offer of interest?

Atheists don't have to worry about being good at anything, do they? That accounts for their inconsistency and twisting of facts and news stories.

"A Little Rock church has cancelled a student matinee performance of “Merry Christmas Charlie Brown” after critics complained the show was too religious and therefore violated the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

continued:

"Students at Terry Elementary School had been planning to attend a school-day field trip to watch a stage version of the holiday classic — hosted by the church. The event was strictly voluntary and teachers sent home letters explaining the purpose of the trip."

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stor...

[Do you GET it, dingbat? See whwere it says, "the event was strictly voluntary"? But that wasn't good enough for atheists who want to dictate their beliefs and prevent anyone from attending a voluntary event.....atheists aren't happy unless they mandate their godlessness. This is their "crusade".

Since: Nov 11

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#8038 Dec 10, 2012
RHill wrote:
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In any case, where better to put the truth than on a billboard?
There's nothing wrong in putting the truth on a billboard.

When will the atheists do that?

Atheists Lie And Do So On a Billboard!

“Talk about making a mistake everyone can see! Atheists in California have done a disservice to their own crusade to spread atheism by launching a new billboard campaign that ascribes a false quote to Thomas Jefferson. That's right, they've essentially become liars for atheism.

In Costa Mesa, California a group of atheists calling themselves Backyard Skeptics have unveiled a billboard to sell atheism to the general public that features a quote they claim came from Thomas Jefferson, the Third President of the United States.

"I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature," the billboard "quotes" the president as having said. "It is founded on fables and mythology," this quote concludes.

That would be a stinging rebuke of Christianity, indeed… were it true. Unfortunately for this little atheist group it seems that their quote is a fake quote the group found on the Internet and assumed was real.

The atheist group thought the quote came from a letter that Jefferson wrote to a "Dr. Woods." But there is one little problem. Jefferson scholars cannot find such a letter. The Jefferson Library confirms that no such letter exists. The library also notes that no such phrase or any combination thereof exists in any of Jefferson's extensive collection of papers.”
http://www.chicagonow.com/publius-forum/2011/...

Since: Nov 11

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#8039 Dec 10, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Ok? I don't care if you are impressed by my writing. I only post semi reguarly in a couple of "topics" and this is not one of them. Anyways, I'm mostly here to read and learn, not to spam nonsense at people. I just wish that you would stop spamming so much, it does get tiresome to sort through your text walls over and over again.
Sorry that I don't follow your needs, wishes, and post according to your specifications. Guess you'll just have to get used to it.

Since: Nov 11

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#8040 Dec 10, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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You're a fine one to talk about morals.
Sorry, my mistake. what you're doing here is letting someone do your thinking for you. Be careful though, as you may end up condoning genocide, incest, slavery, subjugation of women, etc.
Sorry, my mistake again. I see that you already do.
So, in essence...
Your religion means defending genocide and infanticide. It means you approve of the murder of homosexuals, as well as anyone else who wishes to exercise religious freedom.
Furthermore, you base your whole moral system on an unproveable supernatural being. You've already demonstrated that this means you're prepared to kill for those morals.
You'll excuse me if I prefer the foundation of good solid non-belief for building my ethics. My morals can be based on verifiable common interests, known causes and known consequences.
You're as big a liar as the billboards I posted about.

Your "ethics"? You don't know the meaning of the word, nor do you know the meaning of "morals".

LMAO

Since: Nov 11

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#8041 Dec 10, 2012
“The most valued attributes of mankind do not come naturally to the human animal; character borrows from the divine.”
A.S.A. Jones

[A.S.A. Jones -“An ex-atheist finds faith in God through Christianity after more than twenty years of atheism. Learn about the discoveries that led to Jesus Christ. I was a devout atheist for over twenty years. In July of 1998, I finally managed to see the biblical truths that had managed to elude me. The following is an account of how I went from hardcore skepticism to hardcore worship of the Savior, Jesus Christ.”
http://anewdirection54.blogspot.com/2009/06/f...

[She goes on to give her account of how science fails.- well worth reading, and there is a link within the above link for more on her story.]

Since: Nov 11

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#8042 Dec 10, 2012
“Whatsoever is good for God's children they shall have it, for all is theirs to further them to heaven; therefore, if poverty be good, they shall have it; if disgrace be good, they shall have it; if crosses be good, they shall have them; if misery be good, they shall have it; for all is ours, to serve for our greatest good.”
Richard Sibbes

(Sibbes' works were much read in New England. His work was cited by the Methodist John Wesley. The Baptist preacher Charles Spurgeon studied his craft in Sibbes, Perkins and Thomas Manton. The evangelical Martyn Lloyd-Jones wrote in the highest terms of his own encounter with the work of Sibbes.)

Since: Nov 11

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#8043 Dec 10, 2012
“Someone once said that if you sat a million monkeys at a million typewriters for a million years, one of them would eventually type out all of Hamlet by chance. But when we find the text of Hamlet, we don't wonder whether it came from chance and monkeys. Why then does the atheist use that incredibly improbable explanation for the universe? Clearly, because it is his only chance of remaining an atheist. At this point we need a psychological explanation of the atheist rather than a logical explanation of the universe.”
Peter Kreeft

(“Peter John Kreeft (born 1937) is a professor of philosophy at Boston College and The King's College. He is the author of numerous books as well as a popular writer of Christian philosophy, theology and apologetics.

continued:

“Kreeft took his A.B. at Calvin College (1959) and an M.A. at Fordham University (1961). In the same university he completed his doctoral studies in 1965. He briefly did post-graduate studies at Yale University.

Kreeft has received several honors for achievements in philosophical reasoning. They include the following: Woodrow Wilson, Yale-Sterling Fellowship, Newman Alumni Scholarship, Danforth Asian Religions Fellowship, and Weathersfield Homeland Foundation Fellowship.

Kreeft joined the philosophy faculty of the Department of Philosophy of Boston College in 1965. His intellectual reputation stems from his strengths in debating and summarizing the philosophical arguments of the major Western philosophers. He has debated several academics in issues related to God's existence. Shortly after he began teaching at Boston College he was challenged to a debate on the existence of God between himself and Paul Breines, an atheist and history professor, which was attended by a majority of undergraduate students. Kreeft later used many of the arguments in this debate to create the Handbook of Christian Apologetics with then undergraduate student Ronald K. Tacelli, S.J.”)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kreeft

Since: Nov 11

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#8044 Dec 10, 2012
“An utterly fascinating illustration of this duping of ourselves is the latest arts building opened at Ohio State University, the Wexner Center for the Performing Arts, another one of our chimerical exploits in the name of intellectual advance. Newsweek branded this building "America's first deconstructionist building." It's white scaffolding, red brick turrets, and Colorado grass pods evoke a double take. But puzzlement only intensifies when you enter the building, for inside you encounter stairways that go nowhere, pillars that hang from the ceiling without purpose, and angled surfaces configured to create a sense of vertigo. The architect, we are duly informed, designed this building to reflect life itself-senseless and incoherent-and the "capriciousness of the rules that organize the built world." When the rationale was explained to me, I had just one question: Did he do the same with the foundation?
The laughter in response to my question unmasked the double standard our deconstructionists espouse. And that is precisely the double standard of atheism! It is possible to dress up and romanticize our bizarre experiments in social restructuring while disavowing truth or absolutes. But one dares not play such deadly games with the foundations of good thinking.”
Ravi Zacharias

Since: Nov 11

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#8045 Dec 10, 2012
Re-posting a little known fact about the lovely and charming Madalyn O'Hair:

MADALYN MURRAY O'HAIR WAS NOT AN ATHEIST!

An atheist by definition is: Someone who denies the existence of God. From O'Hair's own statements, it is clear that she DID believe in God, very much so, and she hated Him with a passion...

"We find God to be sadistic, brutal and a representation of hatred."
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religi...

[Madalyn – can a god who doesn't exist can be all those things?]

[Madalyn's son left atheism and became a Christian. She couldn't even keep her own son on her side.]

Since: Nov 11

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#8046 Dec 10, 2012
“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried.”
G.K. Chesterton

“God exists whether or not men may choose to believe in Him. The reason why many people do not believe in God is not so much that it is intellectually impossible to believe in God, but because belief in God forces that thoughtful person to face the fact that he is accountable to such a God.”
Robert A. Laidlaw

“Even the most admirable of atheists is nothing more than a moral parasite, living his life based on borrowed ethics. This is why, when pressed, the atheist will often attempt to hide his lack of conviction in his own beliefs behind some poorly formulated utilitarianism, or argue that he acts out of altruistic self-interest. But this is only post-facto rationalization, not reason or rational behavior.”
Vox Day

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#8047 Dec 10, 2012
And the daily spamfest starts....

Since: Nov 11

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#8048 Dec 10, 2012
A favorite re-post

“First Atheist Church of True Science explains why atheism is a religion.”

Video in attached link is excerpt from an atheist sermon:

http://yourhappyplace.yuku.com/topic/54211/At...

[It's mostly all “double talk”- he's confused, as are most atheists - but the bottom line:“atheism is a religion”- he says it several times in his rambling rant, lol. So, there you have it from the very mouth of an atheist.]

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