Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Press

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Nice cutting off my post to serve your needs.
Hitler was a Christian

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

"Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain.... The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans."

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933

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I really doubt this is true. A recent survey I saw showed the a steady increase in the "None" category. Those without religion. Which would include Atheists, Agnostics and those with Deist type beliefs.
Chances are it's a lie, if it's been posted by Dim.

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Wrong
The NT refers to Jews as dogs, snakes and a vipers brood who cannot escape being condemned to Hell. They're the people on whom God brought a "numbness of spirit" and gave them "blind eyes and deaf ears"

The NT also tells us that they're hypocrites and deaf to the truth. No less a person than Jesus told Jews who rejected him that their father was the devil and they chose to carry out their father's desires. Look yourself, there are other passages of anti-semitic text in the NT.

Although the Bible says it was the Romans who flogged your Jesus and had him killed, the early Christians blamed the Jews to avoid upsetting the Romans. It would make it much easier to continue practising this new religion if they kept Rome sweet.

Then came the early church fathers:

Tertullian told us that Israel is never clean - its hands foerever stained with blood

Origen stated that the blood of the Jews falls not just on the Jews of that time but of all Jews up to the end of the world.

Saint Ephraeum Syrus called the Jews "circumcised dogs"

Saint Gregory of Nyssa said the Jews were slayers of the Lord, murderers of prophets, enemies and haters of God.

John Chrysostom wrote "Eight Homilies Against the Jews" which tell us about the despicable nature of Judaism and of the Jewish people who were driven to the ultimate evil. Christians are warned not to come into contact with Jews, a people who within them, demons dwell and their mothers ate their own babies. Chrysostom tells us that the Jews cause is lost and they can expect no atonement.

I'm hardly scratching the surface here and much more anti-Jewish invective existed. With such writings and sermons, it's little wonder that a hatred of Jews became indelibly stamped on the mindset of Christianity.

Fuelled by the anti-Semitism of their leaders, Christians attacked and destroyed synagogues. The earliest recorded Christian pogrom of the Jews was in 414 CE in Alexandria where the Jewish community was pretty much eradicated.

With such a strong anti-Jewish mindset it wasn't long before repressive laws were created.

The Synod of Elvira forbade Jewish men from having sex with Christian women. It didn't ban Christian men from having sex with Jewish women. Jews couldn't marry Christians or even share a meal with them.

A few years later at the Council of Nicea, Christian clergy were forbidden to hold conversations with Jews.

Then along came the Codex Theodosianus which laid down a slew of anti-Jewish laws. These pretty much turned the Jews' status into that of an underclass and they were banned from the administrative, military and legal professions.

Further laws followed and the religious hatred of Christians toward Jews became state laws.

Hatred of the Jews was pretty trendy in the middle ages. Pope Innocent III used his influence by putting pressure on Christian rulers of other nations to remove Jews from public office.

Innocent added a preambles of his own to the papal manuscript "Sicut Judeis" in which he says that the Jews are not to be wiped out completely. In other words it's ok to partially wipe them out. Right.

On an on went the attacks on Jewishness. Further laws were passed and ghettos were set up for the Jews to live in. Life as a Jew in Christendom must have been pretty hellish.

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Are you suggesting that if the belief were irrational or self-contradictory, that it would not be held by a Christian?
Jews are called "Christ killers" by Christians for a reason. Here was a very famous German Christian that undoubtedly influenced Herr Hitler:
MARTIN LUTHER ON THE JEWS
[1] "The Jews deserve to be hanged on gallows, seven times higher than ordinary thieves"
[2] "We ought to take revenge on the Jews and kill them."
[3] "The blind Jews are truly stupid fools"
[4] "Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people."
[5] "eject them forever from this country"
[6] "they are nothing but thieves and robbers"
[7] "What then shall we do with this damned, rejected race of Jews?"
[8] "Such a desperate, thoroughly evil, poisonous, and devilish lot are these Jews"
[9] "They are the real liars and bloodhounds"
[10] "We are at fault for not slaying them."
[11] "I shall give you my sincere advice: first to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them."
[12] "Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed."
[13] "Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews."
[14] "Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them"
[15] "If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs"
[16] "If I had to baptize a Jew, I would take him to the river Elbe, hang a stone around his neck and push him over with the words `I baptize thee in the name of Abraham'."
It's Christian insanity driven by their hatred of the Jews.

The Church passed various laws and enactments which stripped away any rights that the Jews had. Christians accused the Jews of the most vile and evil crimes, leading to the insane idea of the "blood libel" - something so evil and twisted it could only have come from the Christian Church.

Try looking up "Host Desecration" if you want a laugh at further Christian stupidity and ignorance. We all know the cannibalistic side to those Christians who genuinely believed that the crackers they would eat transformed into the body of Jesus. Such was the level of Christian insanity, they also believed the Jews would want to torture these crackers in an attempt to hurt the body of Christ.

Both the Blood Libel and the Host Desecration led to the deaths of thousands of Jews.

Didn't the Catholic Church charge the entire Jewish people with deicide? I'm sure that would have fired up even greater levels of hatred in those christian heads.

I'll say it again: No wonder Hitler targeted the Jews. He was simply taking the hatred and murderous intolerance of the Christian Church to new levels of insanity.

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What ever gave you the idea we were trying to get atheist to like the bible or Jesus? Listening to the atheist on these threads just helps us understand why God has done all he has. Why Saddam and Gomorrah, why the flood. Yes you make things mighty clear as to why God had to whip them out.
Can't you just feel the seething hatred in this post?

Where's all this Christian love I keep hearing about?

Must be a myth - just like the rest of your superstitious mumbo jumbo.

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Thanks for admitting your belief in hell. They're warming it up fer 'ya.
"Arise, Scary Stick Chicken, arise!" Oogah Boogah!

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derek4 wrote:
Why is there something rather than nothing?
Nobody knows. And if your god existed, it wouldn't know why, either.
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What is the origin of life?


We don't know yet.But while we're waiting for science to produce answers, I won't be degrading myself worshiping phony god that is "so absurd he's an embarrassment even to people who don't believe in him."
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What is the origin of good and evil?
Imagination. Those words are just shorthand for "some things we like, some we don't." They don't represent anything that exists outside of the minds of men.

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derek4 wrote:
I refuse to support organizations that engage in any form of bigotry or religious proselytizing ... the Salvation Army discriminates against LGBT individuals on religious grounds. They also discriminate against non-Christians in their hiring practices even though they receive federal funds. As far as I am concerned, this is more than enough to exclude them as a charity I am interested in supporting.
Agree.

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Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
God can not create imperfection, hence, man had to choose to transition to a "fallen" state where he could learn by experience, outside of the presence of God. Not only did man fall, but all that God created changed to become "corrupt" or able to deteriorate and die. There are eternal laws that God must obey. In order for us to learn and grow, we must have experience.
This god sounds weak and dangerous to me. He doesn't seem to have as much control as he has power.

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I don't think it is fair to take all the Christian ideologies, boil them down to concentrated glop, pull the slag off the top and say that it is representative of Christians as a whole.
You might if you saw things through the eyes of a skeptic. Your various doctrinal differences don't really matter to us. It's the church's political presence as a collective. It tends to vote Christian, and embodies certain Christian values whatever the denomination. Thus, Catholics, Mormons, Episcopalians, Jehovah's Witnesses and Baptists might not agree about anything else, but they form a united front opposing progressive politics and humanist values. They're all pretty happy to throw gays and atheists under the bus, for example, and to oppose abortion rights, sex education, and stem cell research.

That's what Christianity is to me. I don't care which eat wafers or go to church on Saturday.

So, yeah. I pretty much think of you as a collective.

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I really doubt this is true. A recent survey I saw showed the a steady increase in the "None" category. Those without religion. Which would include Atheists, Agnostics and those with Deist type beliefs.
And you failed to link to the survey.

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Yep. He goes out of his way to be just as hateful as he can possibly be and then can't understand why his actions elicit derogatory replies.
All he ends up doing is giving people even more reasons to not like any belief system that would produce such a hateful little person.
All the Christians feel your “love”, lol.

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People are "mean" to you because you're an idiot parading as an intellectual, people are inherently mean toward liars like you, it's a natural trait.
As I've noted many times, as long as your kind doesn't like me, I know I'm on the right track. So thanks for the compliment – maybe you're not as bad as I thought. LMAO

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I think most people will be secular or atheist, if they think about it. They'll increasingly conclude that religious beliefs are divisive and more trouble than they're worth.
Dream on, but your thoughts aren't supported by statistics, and never will be, lol.

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[Here's a new case of scientific misconduct. We need to keep current. We are seeing more of these in the news every day.]

Former researcher at UK penalized in scientific misconduct case alleging data falsified

“A former University of Kentucky researcher has agreed to a voluntary "debarment" for seven years after a scientific misconduct case that included allegations of falsified data.

The Lexington Herald Leader reports that Eric J. Smart is accused of using false data in papers and grant applications over the last 10 years. Smart resigned from UK in May and currently works as a high school chemistry teacher in Bourbon County.

Smart did not respond to the newspaper's requests for comment, but Bourbon County Superintendent Lana Fryman said he told her the allegations were "absolutely untrue" and said there is no evidence on which to base the allegations.

UK general counsel William Thro says the both the university and the federal government investigated and determined there had been misconduct.”
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/15e36de...

[Not very “Smart”, lol.]

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Fraud fighter:'Faked research is endemic in China'

Shi-min Fang tells us how risking his life and libel writs to expose scientific misconduct in his native China has just won him the inaugural Maddox prize

You've just won the inaugural Maddox prize, awarded for your continuing work exposing scientific misconduct in China despite the threats you face. How does that feel?
I am thrilled and honoured. There are many people who are supporting me and fighting with me, so I consider this award as an acknowledgement of all our efforts, not just mine.

What prompted you to start challenging dubious pseudoscientific claims in China?
In 1998, after eight years studying in the US, I returned to China and was shocked to see it was deluged with pseudosciences, superstitions and scientific misconduct.

What action did you decide to take?
I had created a Chinese website called New Threads in 1994 when I was a graduate student at Michigan State University as a forum for sharing Chinese classics and literature. From 2000, I started to publish articles on the site fighting scientific misconduct and fraud. Eventually, New Threads became a flagship for those fighting pseudoscience, misconduct, fraud and corruption among the Chinese science community.

Are dubious claims a big problem in China?
The majority of cases exposed are plagiarism, the exaggeration of academic credentials and faked research papers, which are endemic in China.

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http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2162891...

[All of today's peer review groups, and all the controls in place, yet “faked research is endemic”. Imagine all the faked research in Darwin's day.]

["I am quite conscious that my speculations run quite beyond the bounds of true science."
Charles Darwin]

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Don Poldermans, a well-known researcher in cardiovascular medicine in the Netherlands, has been fired for scientific misconduct by the Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam.
According to a statement from Erasmus Medical center, an investigation found that Poldermans was careless in collecting the data for his research. In one study it was found that he used patient data without written permission, used fictitious data and that two reports were submitted to conferences which included knowingly unreliable data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhusten/2011/...

[“...fired for scientific misconduct by the Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam]

[“used fictitious data”]

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Plagiarism exposed in Romanian grant applications

More than a dozen applications suspected of plagiarism.

“Earlier this year, Nature exposed a series of plagiarism scandals in Romania that implicated the country's prime minister Victor Ponta, a former research minister and university leaders. Now evidence is emerging of plagiarism in applications for public grant money.

None of the suspect applications were funded. But some Romanian scientists fear that the affair is being swept under the carpet by the ministry of research, which has not pursued concerns and in September proposed new rules to reduce oversight of grant decisions.

Grant administrators were first alerted to the suspicious applications in February, and 14 suspect cases — each involving nearly half a million euros — were listed on a government website on 22 May, shortly after Ponta took office. Although misconduct cases are supposed to be investigated and resolved within 90 days of being brought to the attention of the national ethics council, most remain unresolved. The council confirmed plagiarism in four cases this spring, but was not given the go ahead to publish its findings on a fifth by the research ministry's legal department. Ponta dismantled the council on 8 June, before it could complete its investigation of the others. The council had been poised to rule on plagiarism charges against former research minister Ioan Mang.

But today the watchdog website Integru.org , which publishes evidence of plagiarism by scientists in Romania along with comments from international experts, has posted its analysis of that fifth application, which was leaked to a journalist there. The application requested (US$593,000) for a project involving “optical wireless-based networks for broadband multi-services applications”, which it called OWHAN. It proposed a collaboration between eight scientists at three universities, with the National Research Communications Institute (INSCC) as coordinating institution.”
http://www.nature.com/news/plagiarism-exposed...

[“...scientists fear that the affair is being swept under the carpet by the ministry of research.”--- yes, high officials block investigations. What if he had been successful? Atheists would do that sort of thing. As much as they lie and defend fraudulent science, it's clear to see they would hide the most devious scientific research, just to protect their hold science. Atheist have no scruples, and they don't want the truth known – truth makes them extremely uncomfortable.]

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Nigeria: The Need for Pharmaceutical Intervention Fund

“A research conducted on 90 drugs approved by US regulators between 1998 and 2000 reveals that the results of more than half of all clinical trials which demonstrate the safety and effectiveness of new drugs are not published within five years of the drugs in the market.

The researchers, who traced the publication or otherwise of 909 separate clinical trials in scientific literature, wrote that the failure of drug companies to publish evidence relating to new medicines amounted to "scientific misconduct," harming public good and preventing informed decisions by doctors and patients on the safe use of new medicines.”
http://allafrica.com/stories/201212020138.htm...

[“... the failure of drug companies to publish evidence relating to new medicines amounted to "scientific misconduct"]

[“... harming public good and preventing informed decisions by doctors and patients on the safe use of new medicines”]

[Be careful about any new medications you're being prescribed – people are dying. Scientists as dishonest as Darwin himself have done the research on some of these new medications, but unfortunately, we may not even find out about how the drug companies paid them off for another 10 years. That news will come to late to help you.“Peer review” takes time, scientists cover for each other, and there is too much evidence that peer review has failed us.]

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Scientific fraud growing.....UK, China, Romania, Nigeria, on and on and on.

Why aren't the peer review groups catching all this misconduct?

I would think atheists would be upset since they say they're so concerned about honesty.

Hmmmm.....

Naaahhh....the atheists back our scientists!!!!

LMAO

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