Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11178 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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#7894 Dec 7, 2012
Plagiarism exposed in Romanian grant applications

More than a dozen applications suspected of plagiarism.

“Earlier this year, Nature exposed a series of plagiarism scandals in Romania that implicated the country's prime minister Victor Ponta, a former research minister and university leaders. Now evidence is emerging of plagiarism in applications for public grant money.

None of the suspect applications were funded. But some Romanian scientists fear that the affair is being swept under the carpet by the ministry of research, which has not pursued concerns and in September proposed new rules to reduce oversight of grant decisions.

Grant administrators were first alerted to the suspicious applications in February, and 14 suspect cases — each involving nearly half a million euros — were listed on a government website on 22 May, shortly after Ponta took office. Although misconduct cases are supposed to be investigated and resolved within 90 days of being brought to the attention of the national ethics council, most remain unresolved. The council confirmed plagiarism in four cases this spring, but was not given the go ahead to publish its findings on a fifth by the research ministry's legal department. Ponta dismantled the council on 8 June, before it could complete its investigation of the others. The council had been poised to rule on plagiarism charges against former research minister Ioan Mang.

But today the watchdog website Integru.org , which publishes evidence of plagiarism by scientists in Romania along with comments from international experts, has posted its analysis of that fifth application, which was leaked to a journalist there. The application requested (US$593,000) for a project involving “optical wireless-based networks for broadband multi-services applications”, which it called OWHAN. It proposed a collaboration between eight scientists at three universities, with the National Research Communications Institute (INSCC) as coordinating institution.”
http://www.nature.com/news/plagiarism-exposed...

[“...scientists fear that the affair is being swept under the carpet by the ministry of research.”--- yes, high officials block investigations. What if he had been successful? Atheists would do that sort of thing. As much as they lie and defend fraudulent science, it's clear to see they would hide the most devious scientific research, just to protect their hold science. Atheist have no scruples, and they don't want the truth known – truth makes them extremely uncomfortable.]

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#7895 Dec 7, 2012
Nigeria: The Need for Pharmaceutical Intervention Fund

“A research conducted on 90 drugs approved by US regulators between 1998 and 2000 reveals that the results of more than half of all clinical trials which demonstrate the safety and effectiveness of new drugs are not published within five years of the drugs in the market.

The researchers, who traced the publication or otherwise of 909 separate clinical trials in scientific literature, wrote that the failure of drug companies to publish evidence relating to new medicines amounted to "scientific misconduct," harming public good and preventing informed decisions by doctors and patients on the safe use of new medicines.”
http://allafrica.com/stories/201212020138.htm...

[“... the failure of drug companies to publish evidence relating to new medicines amounted to "scientific misconduct"]

[“... harming public good and preventing informed decisions by doctors and patients on the safe use of new medicines”]

[Be careful about any new medications you're being prescribed – people are dying. Scientists as dishonest as Darwin himself have done the research on some of these new medications, but unfortunately, we may not even find out about how the drug companies paid them off for another 10 years. That news will come to late to help you.“Peer review” takes time, scientists cover for each other, and there is too much evidence that peer review has failed us.]

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#7896 Dec 7, 2012
Scientific fraud growing.....UK, China, Romania, Nigeria, on and on and on.

Why aren't the peer review groups catching all this misconduct?

I would think atheists would be upset since they say they're so concerned about honesty.

Hmmmm.....

Naaahhh....the atheists back our scientists!!!!

LMAO

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7897 Dec 7, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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As I've noted many times, as long as your kind doesn't like me, I know I'm on the right track. So thanks for the compliment – maybe you're not as bad as I thought. LMAO
So, when the few sane people remind you of your delusion, you consider it a compliment. This is actually a very common symptom of delusion you are expressing.
Mr Smartypants

Mayer, MN

#7898 Dec 7, 2012
The great thing about science is that it's self-correcting, unlike religion. Scientists are human and give in to human urges to be dishonest and delusional just like everybody else. Guess who proved that Piltdown Man was a hoax? Other scientists.

As for religion, basically 100% of it is unprovable bullshit...

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7899 Dec 7, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Scientific fraud growing.....UK, China, Romania, Nigeria, on and on and on.
Why aren't the peer review groups catching all this misconduct?
I would think atheists would be upset since they say they're so concerned about honesty.
Hmmmm.....
Naaahhh....the atheists back our scientists!!!!
LMAO
Your posts are irrelevant, considering you are posting on a machine, that depends on other machines and concepts depending on scientific understanding of the universe, using software written by an atheist, which was all results of advancements funded mostly by atheists who were fans of another atheist that gave us the idea to make electronic machines instead of the old mechanical ones.

That makes you one massive hypocrite.

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#7900 Dec 7, 2012
Religion is just for people who don't understand science.
derek4 wrote:
Scientific fraud growing.....UK, China, Romania, Nigeria, on and on and on.
Why aren't the peer review groups catching all this misconduct?
I would think atheists would be upset since they say they're so concerned about honesty.
Hmmmm.....
Naaahhh....the atheists back our scientists!!!!
LMAO
Mr Smartypants

Mayer, MN

#7901 Dec 7, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Your posts are irrelevant, considering you are posting on a machine, that depends on other machines and concepts depending on scientific understanding of the universe, using software written by an atheist, which was all results of advancements funded mostly by atheists who were fans of another atheist that gave us the idea to make electronic machines instead of the old mechanical ones.
That makes you one massive hypocrite.
Great reply, KittenKoder! What cracks me up are the young-Earth cretinists who are only alive because modern medicine gave them a pacemaker and insulin and who use a computer with a satellite connection so they can go to a cretinist website and bitch about how scientists are idiots who don't know what they're doing.

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#7902 Dec 7, 2012
After losing the debate on religion, my Christian friend said to me, "I'll pray for you"

Understanding the humour of the situation, I quickly replied back, "I'll read more about science for you"
derek4 wrote:
Scientific fraud growing.....UK, China, Romania, Nigeria, on and on and on.
Why aren't the peer review groups catching all this misconduct?
I would think atheists would be upset since they say they're so concerned about honesty.
Hmmmm.....
Naaahhh....the atheists back our scientists!!!!
LMAO

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7903 Dec 7, 2012
Mr Smartypants wrote:
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Great reply, KittenKoder! What cracks me up are the young-Earth cretinists who are only alive because modern medicine gave them a pacemaker and insulin and who use a computer with a satellite connection so they can go to a cretinist website and bitch about how scientists are idiots who don't know what they're doing.
Irony, Bill Gates is an open atheist, and most of MS employees are.

Asimov, the author that inspired us to try to build the perfect computer, very open and outspoken atheist before he died, rest in peace my hero.

One of the first developers of Linux was an atheist, the two that "invented" Linux when they decided to make a free version of Unix so everyone could get it.

Steve Jobs was an atheist, well, technically Buddhist, but most of them are atheists. lol

Everyone I know that works at Google is an atheist.

Oh yeah, computers, the godless machines.

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#7904 Dec 7, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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You are attempting to dispute a portion of web content previously posted.
Just a reminder to everyone in the forum: If you wish to dispute the contents of a web page, you should refer to the publisher at the link provided, since I have no interest in your unsubstantiated objections to web content.
Also, please refrain from going into lengthy unprofessional scientific dialogue which you've copied somewhere but failed to link to the unknown author. When you do that, it's not credit worthy - therefore is a waste of my time and your time.
Thanks for your usual fine cooperation. LMAO
Just because you are a spam bot without an original thought to call his own does not mean everyone is else. Some people are able to speak relatively well on a variety of subjects, just because you can't doesn't mean no one else can either.

And do you know how stupid it is to spam post a link/copy paste from somewhere, and then deflect any criticism by saying that you didn't write it? You are throwing your support behind it when you post it, idiot.

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#7905 Dec 7, 2012
*your own*

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#7906 Dec 7, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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You ... actually buy that part? That's a bedtime story they tell newbs to lure them in, nothing more. Sheesh. How long as you been in the church? A month? Maybe two? I know a Catholic who actually knows more about your religion than you do.
I have attended more than a thousand meetings with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know what I'm talking about. How many sacrament meetings have you attended at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints?

I find it a bit amusing that you are dictating to me what I believe on an Atheist Forum entitled "Don't dictate beliefs."

Mormon's don't believe God is going to give them their own planet when they go to Heaven and they don't believe Joseph Smith is God.

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#7907 Dec 7, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You might if you saw things through the eyes of a skeptic. Your various doctrinal differences don't really matter to us. It's the church's political presence as a collective. It tends to vote Christian, and embodies certain Christian values whatever the denomination. Thus, Catholics, Mormons, Episcopalians, Jehovah's Witnesses and Baptists might not agree about anything else, but they form a united front opposing progressive politics and humanist values. They're all pretty happy to throw gays and atheists under the bus, for example, and to oppose abortion rights, sex education, and stem cell research.
That's what Christianity is to me. I don't care which eat wafers or go to church on Saturday.
So, yeah. I pretty much think of you as a collective.
I can see how that can be frustrating. I used to see atheists as a collective as well.

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#7908 Dec 7, 2012
swerty wrote:
Religion is just for people who don't understand science. <quoted text>
Have you heard of Philo Farnsworth? He helped develop the TV, he kinda understood science. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo_Farnsworth

How about Henry Eyring? "He pioneered the application of quantum mechanics to chemistry. He also was awarded the National medal of Science for devolving the Absolute Rate Theory of chemical reactions. He was elected president of the American Chemical Society in 1963 and of the Association for the Advancement of Science in 1965."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Eyring

Or Richard Scott, a nuclear engineer? All involved with science, all religious.

BYU Biology Professor Steven Peck
http://blog.beliefnet.com/flunkingsainthood/2...

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7909 Dec 7, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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I have attended more than a thousand meetings with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know what I'm talking about. How many sacrament meetings have you attended at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints?
I find it a bit amusing that you are dictating to me what I believe on an Atheist Forum entitled "Don't dictate beliefs."
Mormon's don't believe God is going to give them their own planet when they go to Heaven and they don't believe Joseph Smith is God.
It amazes me that you missed that I grew up. So then, you're a liar, well that was obvious before, you probably are a Mormon, they are taught to lie for their cult, just like Scientologists. I recall the "white lie" lessons from the leaders every Sunday and every Seminary class before going to real school.

You see, you messed up in your lying, for one, you're talking to a real ex-Mormon, one who still has Mormon friends, one of them helped me do a video debunking morons like you, actually. There are a few who are honest, in spite of themselves, mostly when they need the help of one of us atheists to set idiotic people like you straight. Another point you messed up was the "believe Joseph is a god." Well, he will be, according to their beliefs. You see, the belief is that those who follow the religion perfectly become gods themselves, gods of their own worlds. It's a "system" of sorts used to populate the universe with intelligent life. Their god's wives, and himself, went through a life just like the rest of us, they earned their position and now offer the same to their billions of children, I think they're going to have to change that to a much higher number now, no? This is very basic Sunday school lessons too, very basic, like you start hearing this from birth, and you have to prove you know it to get what is best described as "promotions" to new levels. Though the men get more power and control in the church, one of their many flaws. The 12 bishops at the top wait their turn to be the next prophet, it's in order of when you become one of the 12, and when one dies the next living one is the new prophet.

It's not that complicated really.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#7910 Dec 8, 2012
That's why we love you :)
KittenKoder wrote:
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It amazes me that you missed that I grew up. So then, you're a liar, well that was obvious before, you probably are a Mormon, they are taught to lie for their cult, just like Scientologists. I recall the "white lie" lessons from the leaders every Sunday and every Seminary class before going to real school.
You see, you messed up in your lying, for one, you're talking to a real ex-Mormon, one who still has Mormon friends, one of them helped me do a video debunking morons like you, actually. There are a few who are honest, in spite of themselves, mostly when they need the help of one of us atheists to set idiotic people like you straight. Another point you messed up was the "believe Joseph is a god." Well, he will be, according to their beliefs. You see, the belief is that those who follow the religion perfectly become gods themselves, gods of their own worlds. It's a "system" of sorts used to populate the universe with intelligent life. Their god's wives, and himself, went through a life just like the rest of us, they earned their position and now offer the same to their billions of children, I think they're going to have to change that to a much higher number now, no? This is very basic Sunday school lessons too, very basic, like you start hearing this from birth, and you have to prove you know it to get what is best described as "promotions" to new levels. Though the men get more power and control in the church, one of their many flaws. The 12 bishops at the top wait their turn to be the next prophet, it's in order of when you become one of the 12, and when one dies the next living one is the new prophet.
It's not that complicated really.

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#7911 Dec 8, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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Have you heard of Philo Farnsworth? He helped develop the TV, he kinda understood science. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo_Farnsworth
How about Henry Eyring? "He pioneered the application of quantum mechanics to chemistry. He also was awarded the National medal of Science for devolving the Absolute Rate Theory of chemical reactions. He was elected president of the American Chemical Society in 1963 and of the Association for the Advancement of Science in 1965."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Eyring
Or Richard Scott, a nuclear engineer? All involved with science, all religious.
BYU Biology Professor Steven Peck
http://blog.beliefnet.com/flunkingsainthood/2...
You can be an intelligent scientist, but still stupid & fearful when it comes to gods that aren't really there.

The fact is you lying theists have no proof of god and you try to misrepresent scientists, without actually trying to apply any science to your claims.

The reason you don't apply science to your claims is because you know that you're actually lying about the god you claim is real.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#7912 Dec 8, 2012
KJV wrote:
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You should change your name to give me a brain.
Wikipedia
"Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed"
You're far from a scholar and it shows.
Yeah, that is called faith, and like he said, there is more proof of Hercules than Jesus. Somebody believing something doesn't mean that proof exists. Believing in Jesus also means that you believe that Jehovah would make you eat your children, it's all part of the same "all or nothing" fractured-fairy tale book.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#7913 Dec 8, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, that is called faith, and like he said, there is more proof of Hercules than Jesus. Somebody believing something doesn't mean that proof exists. Believing in Jesus also means that you believe that Jehovah would make you eat your children, it's all part of the same "all or nothing" fractured-fairy tale book.
Nicely put.

"I will make them eat the flesh of their children"
Jeremiah 19:1-9

Here we see the horrendous morality and limited intelligence of the god of the Bible. These people were sacrificing some of their own children to another god. What does the Bible god do?

He gets angry at the adults and arranges it so that they will now eat their children!!! Stupid or what?

The god of the Bible has made his judgement and rather than stopping the killing of a few innocent children, he ensures that these kids will be eaten. Instead of saving the kids from being sacrificed, the Bible god is making the parents eat them?

All this does is to demonstrate that the god of the bible comes from the brain addled ramblings of primitive, superstitious savages.

Yet somehow I just know that Dim/KJV/longears will see this as an example of their deity's transcendent love.

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