Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7881 Dec 7, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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What ever gave you the idea we were trying to get atheist to like the bible or Jesus? Listening to the atheist on these threads just helps us understand why God has done all he has. Why Saddam and Gomorrah, why the flood. Yes you make things mighty clear as to why God had to whip them out.
Can't you just feel the seething hatred in this post?

Where's all this Christian love I keep hearing about?

Must be a myth - just like the rest of your superstitious mumbo jumbo.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7882 Dec 7, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Thanks for admitting your belief in hell. They're warming it up fer 'ya.
"Arise, Scary Stick Chicken, arise!" Oogah Boogah!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7883 Dec 7, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Why is there something rather than nothing?
Nobody knows. And if your god existed, it wouldn't know why, either.
derek4 wrote:
What is the origin of life?


We don't know yet.But while we're waiting for science to produce answers, I won't be degrading myself worshiping phony god that is "so absurd he's an embarrassment even to people who don't believe in him."
derek4 wrote:
What is the origin of good and evil?
Imagination. Those words are just shorthand for "some things we like, some we don't." They don't represent anything that exists outside of the minds of men.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7884 Dec 7, 2012
derek4 wrote:
I refuse to support organizations that engage in any form of bigotry or religious proselytizing ... the Salvation Army discriminates against LGBT individuals on religious grounds. They also discriminate against non-Christians in their hiring practices even though they receive federal funds. As far as I am concerned, this is more than enough to exclude them as a charity I am interested in supporting.
Agree.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7885 Dec 7, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
God can not create imperfection, hence, man had to choose to transition to a "fallen" state where he could learn by experience, outside of the presence of God. Not only did man fall, but all that God created changed to become "corrupt" or able to deteriorate and die. There are eternal laws that God must obey. In order for us to learn and grow, we must have experience.
This god sounds weak and dangerous to me. He doesn't seem to have as much control as he has power.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7886 Dec 7, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
I don't think it is fair to take all the Christian ideologies, boil them down to concentrated glop, pull the slag off the top and say that it is representative of Christians as a whole.
You might if you saw things through the eyes of a skeptic. Your various doctrinal differences don't really matter to us. It's the church's political presence as a collective. It tends to vote Christian, and embodies certain Christian values whatever the denomination. Thus, Catholics, Mormons, Episcopalians, Jehovah's Witnesses and Baptists might not agree about anything else, but they form a united front opposing progressive politics and humanist values. They're all pretty happy to throw gays and atheists under the bus, for example, and to oppose abortion rights, sex education, and stem cell research.

That's what Christianity is to me. I don't care which eat wafers or go to church on Saturday.

So, yeah. I pretty much think of you as a collective.

Since: Nov 11

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#7887 Dec 7, 2012
Adam wrote:
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I really doubt this is true. A recent survey I saw showed the a steady increase in the "None" category. Those without religion. Which would include Atheists, Agnostics and those with Deist type beliefs.
And you failed to link to the survey.

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#7888 Dec 7, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Yep. He goes out of his way to be just as hateful as he can possibly be and then can't understand why his actions elicit derogatory replies.
All he ends up doing is giving people even more reasons to not like any belief system that would produce such a hateful little person.
All the Christians feel your “love”, lol.

Since: Nov 11

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#7889 Dec 7, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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People are "mean" to you because you're an idiot parading as an intellectual, people are inherently mean toward liars like you, it's a natural trait.
As I've noted many times, as long as your kind doesn't like me, I know I'm on the right track. So thanks for the compliment – maybe you're not as bad as I thought. LMAO

Since: Nov 11

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#7890 Dec 7, 2012
EdSed wrote:
I think most people will be secular or atheist, if they think about it. They'll increasingly conclude that religious beliefs are divisive and more trouble than they're worth.
Dream on, but your thoughts aren't supported by statistics, and never will be, lol.

Since: Nov 11

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#7891 Dec 7, 2012
[Here's a new case of scientific misconduct. We need to keep current. We are seeing more of these in the news every day.]

Former researcher at UK penalized in scientific misconduct case alleging data falsified

“A former University of Kentucky researcher has agreed to a voluntary "debarment" for seven years after a scientific misconduct case that included allegations of falsified data.

The Lexington Herald Leader reports that Eric J. Smart is accused of using false data in papers and grant applications over the last 10 years. Smart resigned from UK in May and currently works as a high school chemistry teacher in Bourbon County.

Smart did not respond to the newspaper's requests for comment, but Bourbon County Superintendent Lana Fryman said he told her the allegations were "absolutely untrue" and said there is no evidence on which to base the allegations.

UK general counsel William Thro says the both the university and the federal government investigated and determined there had been misconduct.”
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/15e36de...

[Not very “Smart”, lol.]

Since: Nov 11

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#7892 Dec 7, 2012
Fraud fighter:'Faked research is endemic in China'

Shi-min Fang tells us how risking his life and libel writs to expose scientific misconduct in his native China has just won him the inaugural Maddox prize

You've just won the inaugural Maddox prize, awarded for your continuing work exposing scientific misconduct in China despite the threats you face. How does that feel?
I am thrilled and honoured. There are many people who are supporting me and fighting with me, so I consider this award as an acknowledgement of all our efforts, not just mine.

What prompted you to start challenging dubious pseudoscientific claims in China?
In 1998, after eight years studying in the US, I returned to China and was shocked to see it was deluged with pseudosciences, superstitions and scientific misconduct.

What action did you decide to take?
I had created a Chinese website called New Threads in 1994 when I was a graduate student at Michigan State University as a forum for sharing Chinese classics and literature. From 2000, I started to publish articles on the site fighting scientific misconduct and fraud. Eventually, New Threads became a flagship for those fighting pseudoscience, misconduct, fraud and corruption among the Chinese science community.

Are dubious claims a big problem in China?
The majority of cases exposed are plagiarism, the exaggeration of academic credentials and faked research papers, which are endemic in China.

continued:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2162891...

[All of today's peer review groups, and all the controls in place, yet “faked research is endemic”. Imagine all the faked research in Darwin's day.]

["I am quite conscious that my speculations run quite beyond the bounds of true science."
Charles Darwin]

Since: Nov 11

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#7893 Dec 7, 2012
Don Poldermans, a well-known researcher in cardiovascular medicine in the Netherlands, has been fired for scientific misconduct by the Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam.
According to a statement from Erasmus Medical center, an investigation found that Poldermans was careless in collecting the data for his research. In one study it was found that he used patient data without written permission, used fictitious data and that two reports were submitted to conferences which included knowingly unreliable data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhusten/2011/...

[“...fired for scientific misconduct by the Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam]

[“used fictitious data”]

Since: Nov 11

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#7894 Dec 7, 2012
Plagiarism exposed in Romanian grant applications

More than a dozen applications suspected of plagiarism.

“Earlier this year, Nature exposed a series of plagiarism scandals in Romania that implicated the country's prime minister Victor Ponta, a former research minister and university leaders. Now evidence is emerging of plagiarism in applications for public grant money.

None of the suspect applications were funded. But some Romanian scientists fear that the affair is being swept under the carpet by the ministry of research, which has not pursued concerns and in September proposed new rules to reduce oversight of grant decisions.

Grant administrators were first alerted to the suspicious applications in February, and 14 suspect cases — each involving nearly half a million euros — were listed on a government website on 22 May, shortly after Ponta took office. Although misconduct cases are supposed to be investigated and resolved within 90 days of being brought to the attention of the national ethics council, most remain unresolved. The council confirmed plagiarism in four cases this spring, but was not given the go ahead to publish its findings on a fifth by the research ministry's legal department. Ponta dismantled the council on 8 June, before it could complete its investigation of the others. The council had been poised to rule on plagiarism charges against former research minister Ioan Mang.

But today the watchdog website Integru.org , which publishes evidence of plagiarism by scientists in Romania along with comments from international experts, has posted its analysis of that fifth application, which was leaked to a journalist there. The application requested (US$593,000) for a project involving “optical wireless-based networks for broadband multi-services applications”, which it called OWHAN. It proposed a collaboration between eight scientists at three universities, with the National Research Communications Institute (INSCC) as coordinating institution.”
http://www.nature.com/news/plagiarism-exposed...

[“...scientists fear that the affair is being swept under the carpet by the ministry of research.”--- yes, high officials block investigations. What if he had been successful? Atheists would do that sort of thing. As much as they lie and defend fraudulent science, it's clear to see they would hide the most devious scientific research, just to protect their hold science. Atheist have no scruples, and they don't want the truth known – truth makes them extremely uncomfortable.]

Since: Nov 11

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#7895 Dec 7, 2012
Nigeria: The Need for Pharmaceutical Intervention Fund

“A research conducted on 90 drugs approved by US regulators between 1998 and 2000 reveals that the results of more than half of all clinical trials which demonstrate the safety and effectiveness of new drugs are not published within five years of the drugs in the market.

The researchers, who traced the publication or otherwise of 909 separate clinical trials in scientific literature, wrote that the failure of drug companies to publish evidence relating to new medicines amounted to "scientific misconduct," harming public good and preventing informed decisions by doctors and patients on the safe use of new medicines.”
http://allafrica.com/stories/201212020138.htm...

[“... the failure of drug companies to publish evidence relating to new medicines amounted to "scientific misconduct"]

[“... harming public good and preventing informed decisions by doctors and patients on the safe use of new medicines”]

[Be careful about any new medications you're being prescribed – people are dying. Scientists as dishonest as Darwin himself have done the research on some of these new medications, but unfortunately, we may not even find out about how the drug companies paid them off for another 10 years. That news will come to late to help you.“Peer review” takes time, scientists cover for each other, and there is too much evidence that peer review has failed us.]

Since: Nov 11

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#7896 Dec 7, 2012
Scientific fraud growing.....UK, China, Romania, Nigeria, on and on and on.

Why aren't the peer review groups catching all this misconduct?

I would think atheists would be upset since they say they're so concerned about honesty.

Hmmmm.....

Naaahhh....the atheists back our scientists!!!!

LMAO

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7897 Dec 7, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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As I've noted many times, as long as your kind doesn't like me, I know I'm on the right track. So thanks for the compliment – maybe you're not as bad as I thought. LMAO
So, when the few sane people remind you of your delusion, you consider it a compliment. This is actually a very common symptom of delusion you are expressing.
Mr Smartypants

United States

#7898 Dec 7, 2012
The great thing about science is that it's self-correcting, unlike religion. Scientists are human and give in to human urges to be dishonest and delusional just like everybody else. Guess who proved that Piltdown Man was a hoax? Other scientists.

As for religion, basically 100% of it is unprovable bullshit...

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7899 Dec 7, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Scientific fraud growing.....UK, China, Romania, Nigeria, on and on and on.
Why aren't the peer review groups catching all this misconduct?
I would think atheists would be upset since they say they're so concerned about honesty.
Hmmmm.....
Naaahhh....the atheists back our scientists!!!!
LMAO
Your posts are irrelevant, considering you are posting on a machine, that depends on other machines and concepts depending on scientific understanding of the universe, using software written by an atheist, which was all results of advancements funded mostly by atheists who were fans of another atheist that gave us the idea to make electronic machines instead of the old mechanical ones.

That makes you one massive hypocrite.

Since: Aug 12

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#7900 Dec 7, 2012
Religion is just for people who don't understand science.
derek4 wrote:
Scientific fraud growing.....UK, China, Romania, Nigeria, on and on and on.
Why aren't the peer review groups catching all this misconduct?
I would think atheists would be upset since they say they're so concerned about honesty.
Hmmmm.....
Naaahhh....the atheists back our scientists!!!!
LMAO

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