Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7861 Dec 7, 2012
derek4 wrote:
"most of the prejudice I've encountered has been from atheists who, with varying degrees of good grace, suggest that I'm stupid or ill-informed for my beliefs."
How is that prejudice if they met him, Dim?
derek4 wrote:
My supervisor at work who is an atheist, and who never misses an opportunity to tell everyone around him that he is, insists on giving me a hard time every single year when I ask for annual leave for religious observation.
No special rights for the superstitious.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7862 Dec 7, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“One of SHAFT’s primary functions is as a social sanctuary of sorts." WHAT IS SHAFT?
"This cat Shaft is a bad mother (Shut your mouth) But I'm only talking about Shaft"

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7863 Dec 7, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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Now pay close attention to the last entry and it name "Atheist" vs "non-religious"
2nd to last.
IF THEY WERE THE SAME THEY WOULD HAVE LISTED THEM THAT WAY!
The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, non-religious 9.42%, atheists 2.04%.
Wow. A whole 2.04% you guys are kicking some ass. LOL
Type all the lie you want survey after survey shows Atheist below 2.5%
That's because they are two different things, there are actually a lot of religions without gods, they would count as atheists on such a poll, non-religious would be both atheist and lacking any and all beliefs in the supernatural. Basically, because the poll was organized with some atheistic religions as their own category, the only thing you can take from this is that there are a lot of people on the planet, and that's it.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#7864 Dec 7, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>Yep. He goes out of his way to be just as hateful as he can possibly be and then can't understand why his actions elicit derogatory replies.

All he ends up doing is giving people even more reasons to not like any belief system that would produce such a hateful little person.
What ever gave you the idea we were trying to get atheist to like the bible or Jesus? Listening to the atheist on these threads just helps us understand why God has done all he has. Why Saddam and Gomorrah, why the flood. Yes you make things mighty clear as to why God had to whip them out.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7865 Dec 7, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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Posted earlier by derek4
Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups
Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.
There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
...
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...
[Who would want to be an atheist? LOL]
Funny that you would pull it from a Mormon source.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7866 Dec 7, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
Dim here has no idea what he really posted and cannot address any of the content as it is far beyond his ability to understand. And of course he also has no idea what it means to actually take responsibility for one's actions ....
....Which is to say, Dim's a typical Christian.
I wish that you could hear me laughing out loud at seeing others referring to this dim bulb as "Dim. In case you missed it earlier, Dim was the extremely stupid droogie in A Clockwork Orange.

"LOL" does not suffice. This was not a chuckle, nor a titter, nor a or mere tee-hee, but a full blown guffaw.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#7867 Dec 7, 2012
Derek, Langoliers, Broadfoot and Downhill246 put a misleading case when suggesting that atheists are in the minority, much less a tiny minority. Who believes that the majority of free and educated people seriously believe superstitious myths such as Jesus died for our sins, or prophet(s) were sent by God/Allah? People who like statistics should look at all of them objectively and the overall picture they illustrate.

Religions may have made more sense when the Earth was thought to be flat or the centre of the universe. Now, religion is outdated and steadily being abandoned by modern people. We are far more enlightened, educated and knowledgable than generations past.

The simple fact is that all these 'religions'...
http://www.godchecker.com/
including the ones based on Abrhamic god(s) are myths and superstitions.

Religion = superstition
There's no escaping that.

I think most people will be secular or atheist, if they think about it. They'll increasingly conclude that religious beliefs are divisive and more trouble than they're worth.
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#7868 Dec 7, 2012
Bollocks, christard.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Pr...
Langoliers wrote:
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No you're wrong
Brain dead. Simply brain dead.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#7869 Dec 7, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I wish that you could hear me laughing out loud at seeing others referring to this dim bulb as "Dim. In case you missed it earlier, Dim was the extremely stupid droogie in A Clockwork Orange.
"LOL" does not suffice. This was not a chuckle, nor a titter, nor a or mere tee-hee, but a full blown guffaw.
I caught the reference right away and it just seemed too apropos.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7870 Dec 7, 2012
KJV wrote:
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More lies puppet boy.
You've seen the proof.

You're in denial.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#7871 Dec 7, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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What ever gave you the idea we were trying to get atheist to like the bible or Jesus? Listening to the atheist on these threads just helps us understand why God has done all he has. Why Saddam and Gomorrah, why the flood. Yes you make things mighty clear as to why God had to whip them out.
I'm just amazed at the example you provide of what it means to be a Christian -- nothing but hate. Don't cha hate it that you can't just burn us at the stake anymore?

And you really believe that Lot's wife was turned into a condiment? That's just delusional.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7872 Dec 7, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Dude before Christ there was no Christianity. You're putting the cart in front of the horse. Jesus a Jewish Rabbi upon fulfilling the prophecies drew a band of followers. it was that group of followers that later were deemed Christians. So while the OT is part of the Christian faith there was no Christians before Christ.
And according to your pal Dim's link.

Christianity would have been much better if it had stopped at Christ.

No Paul, no letters, no Revelations.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7873 Dec 7, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Thanks for admitting your belief in hell. They're warming it up fer 'ya.
How can you say that there's a Hell?

Especially as you've proven to us that you don't believe what the Bible says.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7874 Dec 7, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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I assume you have taken the road of being a spamming troll. If you want to actually carry on a conversation, please post something you are willing to defend.
He's too frightened to defend his posts.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7875 Dec 7, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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No sense of humor? Too bad going through life as an atheist and no sense of humor.
Oh we have a sense of humour alright.

Your funny beliefs are a real joke.
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#7876 Dec 7, 2012
Too much Synthemesc in Dim's milk, and not enough human kindness.
Hedonist wrote:
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I caught the reference right away and it just seemed too apropos.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7877 Dec 7, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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Nice cutting off my post to serve your needs.
Hitler was a Christian

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

"Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain.... The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans."

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7878 Dec 7, 2012
Adam wrote:
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I really doubt this is true. A recent survey I saw showed the a steady increase in the "None" category. Those without religion. Which would include Atheists, Agnostics and those with Deist type beliefs.
Chances are it's a lie, if it's been posted by Dim.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7879 Dec 7, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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Wrong
The NT refers to Jews as dogs, snakes and a vipers brood who cannot escape being condemned to Hell. They're the people on whom God brought a "numbness of spirit" and gave them "blind eyes and deaf ears"

The NT also tells us that they're hypocrites and deaf to the truth. No less a person than Jesus told Jews who rejected him that their father was the devil and they chose to carry out their father's desires. Look yourself, there are other passages of anti-semitic text in the NT.

Although the Bible says it was the Romans who flogged your Jesus and had him killed, the early Christians blamed the Jews to avoid upsetting the Romans. It would make it much easier to continue practising this new religion if they kept Rome sweet.

Then came the early church fathers:

Tertullian told us that Israel is never clean - its hands foerever stained with blood

Origen stated that the blood of the Jews falls not just on the Jews of that time but of all Jews up to the end of the world.

Saint Ephraeum Syrus called the Jews "circumcised dogs"

Saint Gregory of Nyssa said the Jews were slayers of the Lord, murderers of prophets, enemies and haters of God.

John Chrysostom wrote "Eight Homilies Against the Jews" which tell us about the despicable nature of Judaism and of the Jewish people who were driven to the ultimate evil. Christians are warned not to come into contact with Jews, a people who within them, demons dwell and their mothers ate their own babies. Chrysostom tells us that the Jews cause is lost and they can expect no atonement.

I'm hardly scratching the surface here and much more anti-Jewish invective existed. With such writings and sermons, it's little wonder that a hatred of Jews became indelibly stamped on the mindset of Christianity.

Fuelled by the anti-Semitism of their leaders, Christians attacked and destroyed synagogues. The earliest recorded Christian pogrom of the Jews was in 414 CE in Alexandria where the Jewish community was pretty much eradicated.

With such a strong anti-Jewish mindset it wasn't long before repressive laws were created.

The Synod of Elvira forbade Jewish men from having sex with Christian women. It didn't ban Christian men from having sex with Jewish women. Jews couldn't marry Christians or even share a meal with them.

A few years later at the Council of Nicea, Christian clergy were forbidden to hold conversations with Jews.

Then along came the Codex Theodosianus which laid down a slew of anti-Jewish laws. These pretty much turned the Jews' status into that of an underclass and they were banned from the administrative, military and legal professions.

Further laws followed and the religious hatred of Christians toward Jews became state laws.

Hatred of the Jews was pretty trendy in the middle ages. Pope Innocent III used his influence by putting pressure on Christian rulers of other nations to remove Jews from public office.

Innocent added a preambles of his own to the papal manuscript "Sicut Judeis" in which he says that the Jews are not to be wiped out completely. In other words it's ok to partially wipe them out. Right.

On an on went the attacks on Jewishness. Further laws were passed and ghettos were set up for the Jews to live in. Life as a Jew in Christendom must have been pretty hellish.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7880 Dec 7, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Are you suggesting that if the belief were irrational or self-contradictory, that it would not be held by a Christian?
Jews are called "Christ killers" by Christians for a reason. Here was a very famous German Christian that undoubtedly influenced Herr Hitler:
MARTIN LUTHER ON THE JEWS
[1] "The Jews deserve to be hanged on gallows, seven times higher than ordinary thieves"
[2] "We ought to take revenge on the Jews and kill them."
[3] "The blind Jews are truly stupid fools"
[4] "Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people."
[5] "eject them forever from this country"
[6] "they are nothing but thieves and robbers"
[7] "What then shall we do with this damned, rejected race of Jews?"
[8] "Such a desperate, thoroughly evil, poisonous, and devilish lot are these Jews"
[9] "They are the real liars and bloodhounds"
[10] "We are at fault for not slaying them."
[11] "I shall give you my sincere advice: first to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them."
[12] "Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed."
[13] "Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews."
[14] "Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them"
[15] "If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs"
[16] "If I had to baptize a Jew, I would take him to the river Elbe, hang a stone around his neck and push him over with the words `I baptize thee in the name of Abraham'."
It's Christian insanity driven by their hatred of the Jews.

The Church passed various laws and enactments which stripped away any rights that the Jews had. Christians accused the Jews of the most vile and evil crimes, leading to the insane idea of the "blood libel" - something so evil and twisted it could only have come from the Christian Church.

Try looking up "Host Desecration" if you want a laugh at further Christian stupidity and ignorance. We all know the cannibalistic side to those Christians who genuinely believed that the crackers they would eat transformed into the body of Jesus. Such was the level of Christian insanity, they also believed the Jews would want to torture these crackers in an attempt to hurt the body of Christ.

Both the Blood Libel and the Host Desecration led to the deaths of thousands of Jews.

Didn't the Catholic Church charge the entire Jewish people with deicide? I'm sure that would have fired up even greater levels of hatred in those christian heads.

I'll say it again: No wonder Hitler targeted the Jews. He was simply taking the hatred and murderous intolerance of the Christian Church to new levels of insanity.

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