Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#7799 Dec 6, 2012
Jesus ate yours and is still munching on it now.

Talking snakes lmfao!
KJV wrote:
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Did your zombies eat your brain?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7800 Dec 6, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Jesus ate yours and is still munching on it now.
Talking snakes lmfao!
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Hey now, I heard a snake talk. Of course that was back when I smoked pot ... and I think the TV was on, but I swear I heard my friend's boa say "you want a hamburger" or some such thing, those temptresses, always knowing what you want.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#7801 Dec 6, 2012
So maybe Adam and Eve were just stoned out of their minds?
KittenKoder wrote:
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Hey now, I heard a snake talk. Of course that was back when I smoked pot ... and I think the TV was on, but I swear I heard my friend's boa say "you want a hamburger" or some such thing, those temptresses, always knowing what you want.

Since: Sep 12

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#7802 Dec 6, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That's not what's meant by "free will" in the context of Christianity.
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Christians typically shift the blame for failures and shortcomings in the world to man and devils. If possibilities for man are limited in any sense, you need to blame the omnipotent and omniscient one that chose to make him that way, not man himself.
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Why would that be necessary for an omnipotent god?
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Then you are in a small minority of Christians.
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How is that worship? I have tried to emulate a variety of role models in my lifetime, but worship none of them.
This is the whole point of the fall of man. God can not create imperfection, hence, man had to choose to transition to a "fallen" state where he could learn by experience, outside of the presence of God. Not only did man fall, but all that God created changed to become "corrupt" or able to deteriorate and die. There are eternal laws that God must obey. In order for us to learn and grow, we must have experience.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7803 Dec 6, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
So maybe Adam and Eve were just stoned out of their minds?
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Oh man, you just blew my mind dude! That's actually .... possible.

(I should star in a stoner movie, no?:P)

Since: Sep 12

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#7804 Dec 6, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Sam is a Mormon. He thinks Yahweh is giving him his own planet.
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I am a Mormon, and I don't believe that God is giving me a planet...or anyone else for that matter.

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#7805 Dec 6, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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One fascinating revelation of the Internet experience is seeing how you Christians each seem to have your own private version of your religion.
With all due respect, it is of little interest to secularists exactly what doctrine each individual Christian ascribes to. We are mostly concerned with the public face that the collective presents. Mormons are only a small part of that, and any one Mormon alone is an even smaller part.
You seem like a cut above most of the rest, for which I commend you. But you must realize that that doesn't mitigate the problem at all.
When I discuss the public face of Christian doctrine, I am referring to the antisemitism, homophobia, atheophobia, misogyny, misanthropy, pathological prudery, continual lying, and the hatred for science.
You might actually object to all of it, which would be to your credit, wouldn't mitigate the problem at all.
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Like I said, you each seem to have your own religion.
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Not the god of the Christian bible.
I understand what you are saying, but I don't think it is fair to take all the Christian ideologies, boil them down to concentrated glop, pull the slag off the top and say that it is representative of Christians as a whole. When I was in highschool I took a world religion class and the most difficult section I studied was the section on "Christianity" because personally I consider myself a Christian, but mainstream Christian teachings make little sense to me.

The Christianity I embrace empowers men and women, accepts all scientific evidence as an increased understanding of the workings of God, and accepts all mankind as children of God. We don't hate the Jews, we love them! They have given us more than half of the scripture we have now!

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#7806 Dec 6, 2012
Thinking wrote:
The bible says jesus endorses slavery.
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Where?

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#7807 Dec 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Evolving christian religions to better fit reality instead of denying reality because it never fits the mythology. That is what a delusion is, and every theist has that delusion, You should get help, but since you won't you are useless.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints isn't an evolution of Christian theology. Its a restoration, not a reformation.

This is why Mormons are so different, they didn't rewind Christianity 800 or 1500 years. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints represents the same principle church and organization that existed when Christ was on the earth.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#7808 Dec 6, 2012
You morons I mean Mormons are funny. And yes Mormons believe they will get their own planet and become gods themselves.

Joseph smith once wrote that there were great cities on the moon and the people there were far advanced compared to us and they lived forever.

Wow was he wrong :))

I can't believe you morons errrr Mormons fall for this Bullsht.

Still crying over Mitt Romney?
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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I am a Mormon, and I don't believe that God is giving me a planet...or anyone else for that matter.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#7809 Dec 6, 2012
Rock on Momma! Burn a bud and play the role of Eve :)
KittenKoder wrote:
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Oh man, you just blew my mind dude! That's actually .... possible.
(I should star in a stoner movie, no?:P)

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7810 Dec 6, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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I am a Mormon, and I don't believe that God is giving me a planet...or anyone else for that matter.
Then you are lying about being a Mormon, or you are a newb, or you are just trying to save face. All of which are of equal possibility. Kingdom was interpreted to mean a planet by Joseph Smith, which ironically makes more sense than most christian idiotic myths about magic, voodoo, and poofing.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7811 Dec 6, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints isn't an evolution of Christian theology. Its a restoration, not a reformation.
This is why Mormons are so different, they didn't rewind Christianity 800 or 1500 years. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints represents the same principle church and organization that existed when Christ was on the earth.
You ... actually buy that part? That's a bedtime story they tell newbs to lure them in, nothing more. Sheesh. How long as you been in the church? A month? Maybe two? I know a Catholic who actually knows more about your religion than you do.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7812 Dec 6, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
You morons I mean Mormons are funny. And yes Mormons believe they will get their own planet and become gods themselves.
Joseph smith once wrote that there were great cities on the moon and the people there were far advanced compared to us and they lived forever.
Wow was he wrong :))
I can't believe you morons errrr Mormons fall for this Bullsht.
Still crying over Mitt Romney?
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The funny part of that, he described them like Quakers, in dress fashion. It's often joked about that he thought Quakers were aliens, though that's not true, just too coincidental, and in the camp trips we had little else to do on the three or four hour rides.

Oh, Mormon kids have it lush, camp grounds, free for Mormon families, with fishing and hiking trails at all of them. One was on the beach. Beautifully kept, coed and segregated outings too, they are at least not prudish like other christians who pretend kids are all evil monsters. Mormons do have the lowest teen pregnancy rate as well, irony. Mostly the coed thing was a result of homophobic leaders, actually, but it is healthy for kids as well.

Then another sect spun off from them recently, and those ones are pure nasty. Even then, don't trust any of them. Don't buy it, the members born into the church are trained snake oil salesmen from the crib on.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7813 Dec 6, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>I see you don't keep up with the news. Pity how much time you spend in the cult bubble blind to reality.

Also I see you endorse slavery and cheer that the bible preaches to do this abominable act.
"I see you don't keep up with the news"

What the hell does the news have to do with that ridicules avatar that you use?

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7814 Dec 6, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>I don't get why you think that that is funny.

The question doesn't specify whether it refers to before or after the flood. And apparently, some Christians think that there were humans that didn't perish in the flood apart from the crew of the ark.
No sense of humor? Too bad going through life as an atheist and no sense of humor.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7815 Dec 6, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Are you shaking the Scary Chicken On A Stick at us now, too?

"Oogah boogah. Abracadabra, please and thank you. Shlemiel, shlemazel, hasenpfeffer incorporated. Eenie meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
Nope no chicken on a stick.
Just in a bucket with red and white strips.

You're not from Haiti are you?
Voodoo is your religion?

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7816 Dec 6, 2012
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Yes.
Nice cutting off my post to serve your needs.

I'll have to repost it then.

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Do you believe this?
What a sucker! You would believe anything Hitler said! Yes Hitler called himself a Christian. You believe him!
Why would he lie? You need to learn what a Christian is. Hitler was no Christian.

"Hitler was not a Christain or a Christian. I have zero interest in your spelling problems or your other problems, but as for Hitler, you will get the same answer any and every time in one form or another any time you want to say Hitler was a Christian. This is not open to dispute, since Hitler was not a Christian.

Was Hitler a Christian?

October 30, 1999

Dear Straight Dope:

In my numerous online debates in various chatrooms, I have learned the following: many Christians seem to think that Adolf Hitler was an atheist (or at least wasn't "Christian"). Of course I and my fellow atheists know better, as Hitler mentions his devotion to Christianity numerous times in his writings. Can you clear this up for me? Was Hitler an "honest to God" Christian, or was he simply using religion as a means of control?- Carl Stieger

The short answer is a definite "maybe" or, more precisely, "probably neither." The looooong answer is somewhat more complicated.

You are right that Hitler did mention Christianity many times in his writings. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he claimed to be a Christian. But Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.

First, let's look at what he said that seems to put him on the anti-Christian side:

According to a press release from Catholic League President, William A. Donohue (2/4/99): "Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.'"

[further down, within the text:]

“... atheists looking for a quick cheap-shot may claim Hitler was a Christian; similarly, Christians looking for a quick shot may claim he was an atheist. Know what? Hitler was a vegetarian! Oooh, those evil vegetarians! He also recommended that parents give their children milk to drink instead of beer and started the first anti-smoking campaign.(So by the "reasoning" used in these types of arguments, if you are truly anti-Hitler, you should smoke heavily and only give your baby beer!) Better watch out, though he was an oxygen-breather, too! In other words, does it really matter whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian or whatever? Just because somebody may hold a particular worldview (along with other views) doesn't make him a spokesman for that view, or even remotely representative of others who hold that view.”"

continued:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699... ;

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7817 Dec 6, 2012
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>I have no wish to be your slave master.
You're morally f**ked.
Have you escaped from your master?
LOL

When you get real I will too.

Nut job!

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#7818 Dec 6, 2012
What does the news have to do with my Avitar?

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Langoliers wrote:
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"I see you don't keep up with the news"
What the hell does the news have to do with that ridicules avatar that you use?

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