Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Press

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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DVDs, grandad? How passe.
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No I do not agree. I commend you for your respect to our religion even though you don't understand it or agree with it.
If you're interested in learning how it all comes to getter a great DVD to watch would be "The Star of Bethlehem"
Great DVD!

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<quoted text>REally?

Without a literal Adam & Eve there is no original sin and the whole mythology falls apart.
Dude Christianity only came about after Christ. Before that the faith was called Jewish. Come on you know that.
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Really.
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Dude Christianity only came about after Christ. Before that the faith was called Jewish. Come on you know that.

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Adam wrote:
<quoted text>Informative quotes. This shows that the new testament authors were young earth creationists, and mistakenly took the OT as history.
There was no mistake.
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jesus endorses slavery, the fuckwad.
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There was no mistake.

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Thinking wrote:
jesus endorses slavery, the fuckwad.
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Where did you get that idea?

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-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Proven Creationist lying spammer with no proof of god.

Lies at every opportunity yet converts nobody.

Sells us morals while having no morality or sense of truth
Hey Skippy! Have you taken your happy pills today?

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<quoted text>Hitler was catholic, nice try creationist liar.
Becsuse he said he was And you believe him? LOL

Dolt!

Do you believe this?
What a sucker! You would believe anything Hitler said! Yes Hitler called himself a Christian. You believe him!
Why would he lie? You need to learn what a Christian is. Hitler was no Christian.

"Hitler was not a Christain or a Christian. I have zero interest in your spelling problems or your other problems, but as for Hitler, you will get the same answer any and every time in one form or another any time you want to say Hitler was a Christian. This is not open to dispute, since Hitler was not a Christian.

Was Hitler a Christian?

October 30, 1999

Dear Straight Dope:

In my numerous online debates in various chatrooms, I have learned the following: many Christians seem to think that Adolf Hitler was an atheist (or at least wasn't "Christian"). Of course I and my fellow atheists know better, as Hitler mentions his devotion to Christianity numerous times in his writings. Can you clear this up for me? Was Hitler an "honest to God" Christian, or was he simply using religion as a means of control?- Carl Stieger

The short answer is a definite "maybe" or, more precisely, "probably neither." The looooong answer is somewhat more complicated.

You are right that Hitler did mention Christianity many times in his writings. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he claimed to be a Christian. But Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.

First, let's look at what he said that seems to put him on the anti-Christian side:

According to a press release from Catholic League President, William A. Donohue (2/4/99): "Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.'"

[further down, within the text:]

“... atheists looking for a quick cheap-shot may claim Hitler was a Christian; similarly, Christians looking for a quick shot may claim he was an atheist. Know what? Hitler was a vegetarian! Oooh, those evil vegetarians! He also recommended that parents give their children milk to drink instead of beer and started the first anti-smoking campaign.(So by the "reasoning" used in these types of arguments, if you are truly anti-Hitler, you should smoke heavily and only give your baby beer!) Better watch out, though he was an oxygen-breather, too! In other words, does it really matter whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian or whatever? Just because somebody may hold a particular worldview (along with other views) doesn't make him a spokesman for that view, or even remotely representative of others who hold that view.”"

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http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699...

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Adam wrote:
<quoted text>Assume this wasnt meant for Hedonist.
Skippy sometime foams at the mouth.
Try not and get any on you. He is rabid.

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<quoted text>Why did you kill Sadam?
Seemed like the thing to do!

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<quoted text>Yawn. And? So much opinionated spam spam and more spam. Sorry I will stick with facts not opinion pieces from losers.
Get rid of that ridicules avatar!
You look like a 3 year old I can't take you seriously. LOL

We got the joke ok?

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Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Just a bit of common courtesy and a nod of the stethoscope to IANS with a medical term that he'll know.

I know that courtesy is an alien concept to xtians. Maybe you can improve a little, but you'll need to work hard on your bedside manner.
Funny how your argument pale in comparison to someone who actually knows what they are talking about and have true bases for his believe. Even if I disagree with him he at least is no child.

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<quoted text>Uh-oh, there's the blood fixation again.

You sure your guy isn't a zombie?
Zombie go around eating brains not ascending into heaven and is seated at the right hand of God. Oh and Zombies are make believe. Time to put down the Comice books.

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Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>DVDs, grandad? How passe.
Sorry that's the only way I know of that you can get it. I'm not sure if you can stream it

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Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>jesus endorses slavery, the fuckwad.
Nothing wrong with it! LOL

It would be a perfect career for the likes of you.

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Clearly you have nothing to say that refutes my argument. I'm not at all unhappy. I am simply waiting for you to say something intelligent. I have a feeling it may well be a long wait.
What you'll find is that Dim doesn't refute arguments - he runs away and comes back with more cut + pastes for us to refute.

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Joseph smith was one I the most deceitful con men in American history.
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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No, I don't.
A Reflection On The Prophet Joseph Smith
Throughout my life, I have had several experiences which have led me to believe that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God. Although some may question the validity of the claim that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God, I know that he is. The faith and knowledge we acquire in our lifetime is the result of experiences that have been placed upon us by wise teachers and the Lord, or experiences that we have sought out ourselves. By seeking experiences that provide evidence that support the validity of Joseph Smith, I have received an endowment of faith from God and a blessing of knowledge that Joseph Smith is a prophet and that the gospel that was revealed through Joseph Smith is Gods truth.
In my youth, I was blessed with the opportunity to mature in a very diverse area of the country and subsequently found myself with friends from Korea, Iran, France, India, Germany, China, Israel, and other countries. It was mainly during my high school years that I surrounded myself with a variety of friends from various backgrounds. Having friends from different ethnic and cultural backgrounds helped me to appreciate all kinds of diversity, different traditions, varying religious convictions, and a wide range of attitudes towards organized religion. I had friends who ranged from the very devout Catholic, to the cultural Hindu, and all the way to the ex-Muslim turned atheist. Given our wide diversity, it was quite frequent that we would engage in discussions regarding our cultural and theological backgrounds. I love my friends and I often struggled with reconciling my religious convictions with theirs. One day, I was talking with a friend who is an adamant atheist. We talked about God and I began asking why it was that he did not believe in God. At the conclusion of our discussion, I realized that the only reason why my friends had different convictions than me was because they had different experiences than I had. Or in other words, they lacked many of the religious experiences which led me to believe the way I do. From that time on, I determined to identify why I believed what I believed and to seek additional experiences to fortify my belief in God and his restored gospel on the earth.

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I see you don't keep up with the news. Pity how much time you spend in the cult bubble blind to reality.

Also I see you endorse slavery and cheer that the bible preaches to do this abominable act.
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Get rid of that ridicules avatar!
You look like a 3 year old I can't take you seriously. LOL
We got the joke ok?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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derek4 wrote:
It's always your choice to go to hell.
Oh no! Not the scary chicken on the stick! "Arise, Chicken, arise!"
derek4 wrote:
Total Christians in this forum converted to atheism: ZERO
Maybe you don't know what the atheist forum is for. It's where we teach one another about your church, your religion, your bible, and the typical Christian. The Internet now serves as atheist school for all practical purposes, and the information content of our posts comprises the lecture section.

There's also a lab section. That's where you come in, Dim. Your function is to be studied. You're one of the Jesus fish in a large virtual aquarium, where learning skeptics can take time observing, poke at the glass a little, and observe what results. This is where we learn first hand what the typical Christian's values are - well, the typical Internet Christian. I'd still like to know if you people are a representative cross section of the entire sea of Jesus fish, and if not, how you differ.

For example, I've never seen so much lying in my life as I have observing Internet Christians. I don't remember that in my church years. But perhaps I just wasn't able to see it from the inside. Or perhaps it's worse now because of your easy access to Internet apologetics and your church's struggle to remain relevant.

Anyway, you're not here to be converted, and nobody has tried to convert you, either, Dim. You're here to be studied.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Unlike you, I use many sources to bring out my points.
You don't have a point. You're just a vector. You don't seem to understand the material you fetch.
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I don't sit on my rump and post silly comments. I put thought into what I do, unlike you.
Are you kidding us now, Dim? Name and link us to a nontrivial thought that you have contributed to this thread.

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