Don't dictate beliefs

There are 20 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“I Am No One Else”

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#7702 Dec 5, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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Oh, I felt that you spend a lot of time making wrong assumptions about what I believe, so I thought it would be nice of me to provide you with some actual information about what I do believe.
I know that you do not subscribe to the teaching of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but do you believe in any God now?
I never believed in a god, nor any of that religious crap, it's all crap. I saw through the scam at an early age but played nice until I was old enough to finally tell my mother no. I wanted to believe, I really did, but I'm not insane enough to ignore reality. There is no evidence, zero, none at all, for any of the gods, none of them. You have discarded all but one god, but your god has just as much evidence as the others. Also don't try to feed me that "they're all the same god" nonsense the leaders of the church tried to feed me, it's a lame excuse to ignore the hard questions and nothing more.

The irony is that the LDS church was of no consequence to me, once they had accepted black people I simply lost any care of them, but then you all forgot the one lesson your prophet taught you, that the smallest and more persecuted of the people are often the right people, and then started going anti-equality, hating gay people, and despising transgendered people. If your prophet was alive, he'd hate you as much as your Jesus would if he was real. That is why I shall not even give you the decency of mockery, I regard Mormons as nothing more than shallow hypocrites who take what was actually a smart idea and corrupting it into something more twisted and illogical than even Catholicism or Scientology.

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#7703 Dec 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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I never believed in a god, nor any of that religious crap, it's all crap. I saw through the scam at an early age but played nice until I was old enough to finally tell my mother no. I wanted to believe, I really did, but I'm not insane enough to ignore reality. There is no evidence, zero, none at all, for any of the gods, none of them. You have discarded all but one god, but your god has just as much evidence as the others. Also don't try to feed me that "they're all the same god" nonsense the leaders of the church tried to feed me, it's a lame excuse to ignore the hard questions and nothing more.
The irony is that the LDS church was of no consequence to me, once they had accepted black people I simply lost any care of them, but then you all forgot the one lesson your prophet taught you, that the smallest and more persecuted of the people are often the right people, and then started going anti-equality, hating gay people, and despising transgendered people. If your prophet was alive, he'd hate you as much as your Jesus would if he was real. That is why I shall not even give you the decency of mockery, I regard Mormons as nothing more than shallow hypocrites who take what was actually a smart idea and corrupting it into something more twisted and illogical than even Catholicism or Scientology.
What do you think was the smart idea?

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#7704 Dec 5, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>In Paul's letters he teaches that since the "fall of man" in the garden of Eden, we are all tainted with original sin, and are all guilty before God and in need of redemption. Therefore God sent his Son Jesus as the second Adam to pay for our sins, and make us good again with God, according to the christian storybook.

Now as we know that the stories of Genesis are MYTH, contradicting archeology and science, then there is no need for redemption from original sin, cause "the fall" never happened. Jesus was not paying for anything by being crucified, and the mythology built up around these stories is false. Do you agree?
No I do not agree. I commend you for your respect to our religion even though you don't understand it or agree with it.

If you're interested in learning how it all comes to getter a great DVD to watch would be "The Star of Bethlehem"

Great DVD!

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#7705 Dec 5, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Paul's letters are not in Genesis or Exodus.

There are no christian ideas in Genesis or Exodus.
LOL!

That's as funny as when I was asked what percentage of the human population did I think Noah and his family was. I responded 100%.

LOL

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#7706 Dec 5, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe I'm misunderstanding here. Are you a christian?

If so, you have to believe the Genesis and the rest of the OT, at least to accept it in a limited sense.

Now if you have come to the conclusion that the OT is BS, and resembles sharia law, well done, you are on the path to enlightment.
The path that you're on may seem enlighten but that's just distant flames.
Thinking

UK

#7707 Dec 5, 2012
DVDs, grandad? How passe.
Langoliers wrote:
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No I do not agree. I commend you for your respect to our religion even though you don't understand it or agree with it.
If you're interested in learning how it all comes to getter a great DVD to watch would be "The Star of Bethlehem"
Great DVD!

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#7708 Dec 5, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>REally?

Without a literal Adam & Eve there is no original sin and the whole mythology falls apart.
Dude Christianity only came about after Christ. Before that the faith was called Jewish. Come on you know that.
Thinking

UK

#7709 Dec 5, 2012
Really.
Langoliers wrote:
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Dude Christianity only came about after Christ. Before that the faith was called Jewish. Come on you know that.

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#7710 Dec 5, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>Informative quotes. This shows that the new testament authors were young earth creationists, and mistakenly took the OT as history.
There was no mistake.
Thinking

UK

#7711 Dec 5, 2012
jesus endorses slavery, the fuckwad.
Langoliers wrote:
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There was no mistake.

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#7712 Dec 5, 2012
Thinking wrote:
jesus endorses slavery, the fuckwad.
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Where did you get that idea?

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#7713 Dec 5, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Proven Creationist lying spammer with no proof of god.

Lies at every opportunity yet converts nobody.

Sells us morals while having no morality or sense of truth
Hey Skippy! Have you taken your happy pills today?

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#7714 Dec 5, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler was catholic, nice try creationist liar.
Becsuse he said he was And you believe him? LOL

Dolt!

Do you believe this?
What a sucker! You would believe anything Hitler said! Yes Hitler called himself a Christian. You believe him!
Why would he lie? You need to learn what a Christian is. Hitler was no Christian.

"Hitler was not a Christain or a Christian. I have zero interest in your spelling problems or your other problems, but as for Hitler, you will get the same answer any and every time in one form or another any time you want to say Hitler was a Christian. This is not open to dispute, since Hitler was not a Christian.

Was Hitler a Christian?

October 30, 1999

Dear Straight Dope:

In my numerous online debates in various chatrooms, I have learned the following: many Christians seem to think that Adolf Hitler was an atheist (or at least wasn't "Christian"). Of course I and my fellow atheists know better, as Hitler mentions his devotion to Christianity numerous times in his writings. Can you clear this up for me? Was Hitler an "honest to God" Christian, or was he simply using religion as a means of control?- Carl Stieger

The short answer is a definite "maybe" or, more precisely, "probably neither." The looooong answer is somewhat more complicated.

You are right that Hitler did mention Christianity many times in his writings. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he claimed to be a Christian. But Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.

First, let's look at what he said that seems to put him on the anti-Christian side:

According to a press release from Catholic League President, William A. Donohue (2/4/99): "Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.'"

[further down, within the text:]

“... atheists looking for a quick cheap-shot may claim Hitler was a Christian; similarly, Christians looking for a quick shot may claim he was an atheist. Know what? Hitler was a vegetarian! Oooh, those evil vegetarians! He also recommended that parents give their children milk to drink instead of beer and started the first anti-smoking campaign.(So by the "reasoning" used in these types of arguments, if you are truly anti-Hitler, you should smoke heavily and only give your baby beer!) Better watch out, though he was an oxygen-breather, too! In other words, does it really matter whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian or whatever? Just because somebody may hold a particular worldview (along with other views) doesn't make him a spokesman for that view, or even remotely representative of others who hold that view.”"

continued:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699...

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#7715 Dec 5, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>Assume this wasnt meant for Hedonist.
Skippy sometime foams at the mouth.
Try not and get any on you. He is rabid.

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#7716 Dec 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Why did you kill Sadam?
Seemed like the thing to do!

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#7717 Dec 5, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Yawn. And? So much opinionated spam spam and more spam. Sorry I will stick with facts not opinion pieces from losers.
Get rid of that ridicules avatar!
You look like a 3 year old I can't take you seriously. LOL

We got the joke ok?

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#7718 Dec 5, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Just a bit of common courtesy and a nod of the stethoscope to IANS with a medical term that he'll know.

I know that courtesy is an alien concept to xtians. Maybe you can improve a little, but you'll need to work hard on your bedside manner.
Funny how your argument pale in comparison to someone who actually knows what they are talking about and have true bases for his believe. Even if I disagree with him he at least is no child.

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#7719 Dec 5, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Uh-oh, there's the blood fixation again.

You sure your guy isn't a zombie?
Zombie go around eating brains not ascending into heaven and is seated at the right hand of God. Oh and Zombies are make believe. Time to put down the Comice books.

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#7720 Dec 5, 2012
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>DVDs, grandad? How passe.
Sorry that's the only way I know of that you can get it. I'm not sure if you can stream it

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#7721 Dec 5, 2012
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>jesus endorses slavery, the fuckwad.
Nothing wrong with it! LOL

It would be a perfect career for the likes of you.

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