Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Star Press.

Thinking

Farnham, UK

#7709 Dec 5, 2012
Really.
Langoliers wrote:
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Dude Christianity only came about after Christ. Before that the faith was called Jewish. Come on you know that.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7710 Dec 5, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>Informative quotes. This shows that the new testament authors were young earth creationists, and mistakenly took the OT as history.
There was no mistake.
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#7711 Dec 5, 2012
jesus endorses slavery, the fuckwad.
Langoliers wrote:
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There was no mistake.

Since: Sep 12

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#7712 Dec 5, 2012
Thinking wrote:
jesus endorses slavery, the fuckwad.
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Where did you get that idea?

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7713 Dec 5, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Proven Creationist lying spammer with no proof of god.

Lies at every opportunity yet converts nobody.

Sells us morals while having no morality or sense of truth
Hey Skippy! Have you taken your happy pills today?

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7714 Dec 5, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler was catholic, nice try creationist liar.
Becsuse he said he was And you believe him? LOL

Dolt!

Do you believe this?
What a sucker! You would believe anything Hitler said! Yes Hitler called himself a Christian. You believe him!
Why would he lie? You need to learn what a Christian is. Hitler was no Christian.

"Hitler was not a Christain or a Christian. I have zero interest in your spelling problems or your other problems, but as for Hitler, you will get the same answer any and every time in one form or another any time you want to say Hitler was a Christian. This is not open to dispute, since Hitler was not a Christian.

Was Hitler a Christian?

October 30, 1999

Dear Straight Dope:

In my numerous online debates in various chatrooms, I have learned the following: many Christians seem to think that Adolf Hitler was an atheist (or at least wasn't "Christian"). Of course I and my fellow atheists know better, as Hitler mentions his devotion to Christianity numerous times in his writings. Can you clear this up for me? Was Hitler an "honest to God" Christian, or was he simply using religion as a means of control?- Carl Stieger

The short answer is a definite "maybe" or, more precisely, "probably neither." The looooong answer is somewhat more complicated.

You are right that Hitler did mention Christianity many times in his writings. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he claimed to be a Christian. But Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.

First, let's look at what he said that seems to put him on the anti-Christian side:

According to a press release from Catholic League President, William A. Donohue (2/4/99): "Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.'"

[further down, within the text:]

“... atheists looking for a quick cheap-shot may claim Hitler was a Christian; similarly, Christians looking for a quick shot may claim he was an atheist. Know what? Hitler was a vegetarian! Oooh, those evil vegetarians! He also recommended that parents give their children milk to drink instead of beer and started the first anti-smoking campaign.(So by the "reasoning" used in these types of arguments, if you are truly anti-Hitler, you should smoke heavily and only give your baby beer!) Better watch out, though he was an oxygen-breather, too! In other words, does it really matter whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian or whatever? Just because somebody may hold a particular worldview (along with other views) doesn't make him a spokesman for that view, or even remotely representative of others who hold that view.”"

continued:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699...

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7715 Dec 5, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>Assume this wasnt meant for Hedonist.
Skippy sometime foams at the mouth.
Try not and get any on you. He is rabid.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7716 Dec 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Why did you kill Sadam?
Seemed like the thing to do!

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7717 Dec 5, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Yawn. And? So much opinionated spam spam and more spam. Sorry I will stick with facts not opinion pieces from losers.
Get rid of that ridicules avatar!
You look like a 3 year old I can't take you seriously. LOL

We got the joke ok?

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7718 Dec 5, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Just a bit of common courtesy and a nod of the stethoscope to IANS with a medical term that he'll know.

I know that courtesy is an alien concept to xtians. Maybe you can improve a little, but you'll need to work hard on your bedside manner.
Funny how your argument pale in comparison to someone who actually knows what they are talking about and have true bases for his believe. Even if I disagree with him he at least is no child.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7719 Dec 5, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Uh-oh, there's the blood fixation again.

You sure your guy isn't a zombie?
Zombie go around eating brains not ascending into heaven and is seated at the right hand of God. Oh and Zombies are make believe. Time to put down the Comice books.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#7720 Dec 5, 2012
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>DVDs, grandad? How passe.
Sorry that's the only way I know of that you can get it. I'm not sure if you can stream it

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#7721 Dec 5, 2012
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>jesus endorses slavery, the fuckwad.
Nothing wrong with it! LOL

It would be a perfect career for the likes of you.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7722 Dec 5, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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Clearly you have nothing to say that refutes my argument. I'm not at all unhappy. I am simply waiting for you to say something intelligent. I have a feeling it may well be a long wait.
What you'll find is that Dim doesn't refute arguments - he runs away and comes back with more cut + pastes for us to refute.

Since: Mar 11

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#7723 Dec 5, 2012
Joseph smith was one I the most deceitful con men in American history.
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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No, I don't.
“A Reflection On The Prophet Joseph Smith”
Throughout my life, I have had several experiences which have led me to believe that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God. Although some may question the validity of the claim that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God, I know that he is. The faith and knowledge we acquire in our lifetime is the result of experiences that have been placed upon us by wise teachers and the Lord, or experiences that we have sought out ourselves. By seeking experiences that provide evidence that support the validity of Joseph Smith, I have received an endowment of faith from God and a blessing of knowledge that Joseph Smith is a prophet and that the gospel that was revealed through Joseph Smith is God’s truth.
In my youth, I was blessed with the opportunity to mature in a very diverse area of the country and subsequently found myself with friends from Korea, Iran, France, India, Germany, China, Israel, and other countries. It was mainly during my high school years that I surrounded myself with a variety of friends from various backgrounds. Having friends from different ethnic and cultural backgrounds helped me to appreciate all kinds of diversity, different traditions, varying religious convictions, and a wide range of attitudes towards organized religion. I had friends who ranged from the very devout Catholic, to the cultural Hindu, and all the way to the ex-Muslim turned atheist. Given our wide diversity, it was quite frequent that we would engage in discussions regarding our cultural and theological backgrounds. I love my friends and I often struggled with reconciling my religious convictions with theirs. One day, I was talking with a friend who is an adamant atheist. We talked about God and I began asking why it was that he did not believe in God. At the conclusion of our discussion, I realized that the only reason why my friends had different convictions than me was because they had different experiences than I had. Or in other words, they lacked many of the religious experiences which led me to believe the way I do. From that time on, I determined to identify why I believed what I believed and to seek additional experiences to fortify my belief in God and his restored gospel on the earth.

Since: Mar 11

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#7724 Dec 5, 2012
I see you don't keep up with the news. Pity how much time you spend in the cult bubble blind to reality.

Also I see you endorse slavery and cheer that the bible preaches to do this abominable act.
Langoliers wrote:
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Get rid of that ridicules avatar!
You look like a 3 year old I can't take you seriously. LOL
We got the joke ok?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7725 Dec 5, 2012
derek4 wrote:
It's always your choice to go to hell.
Oh no! Not the scary chicken on the stick! "Arise, Chicken, arise!"
derek4 wrote:
Total Christians in this forum converted to atheism: ZERO
Maybe you don't know what the atheist forum is for. It's where we teach one another about your church, your religion, your bible, and the typical Christian. The Internet now serves as atheist school for all practical purposes, and the information content of our posts comprises the lecture section.

There's also a lab section. That's where you come in, Dim. Your function is to be studied. You're one of the Jesus fish in a large virtual aquarium, where learning skeptics can take time observing, poke at the glass a little, and observe what results. This is where we learn first hand what the typical Christian's values are - well, the typical Internet Christian. I'd still like to know if you people are a representative cross section of the entire sea of Jesus fish, and if not, how you differ.

For example, I've never seen so much lying in my life as I have observing Internet Christians. I don't remember that in my church years. But perhaps I just wasn't able to see it from the inside. Or perhaps it's worse now because of your easy access to Internet apologetics and your church's struggle to remain relevant.

Anyway, you're not here to be converted, and nobody has tried to convert you, either, Dim. You're here to be studied.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7726 Dec 5, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Unlike you, I use many sources to bring out my points.
You don't have a point. You're just a vector. You don't seem to understand the material you fetch.
derek4 wrote:
I don't sit on my rump and post silly comments. I put thought into what I do, unlike you.
Are you kidding us now, Dim? Name and link us to a nontrivial thought that you have contributed to this thread.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7727 Dec 5, 2012
derek4 wrote:
He [de Botton] has the same atheist religion you do, so if you are going to defend him, you get in there and worship with him like you're supposed to, you hypocrite.
LMAO
Hey, laughing boy: atheists don't worship. It's demeaning. I leave that to you and your Chicken On A Stick.

Go ahead - debase yourself, Dim. Get down on your knees. Divert your gaze, close your eyes, and put your unworthy head down. Put your hands together in a begging posture, and begin mumbling to the ceiling fan in a whiny, victim voice. Let your lower lip tremble, your voice break, and your tears flow.

Grovel like an insect and beg the ceiling fan to protect you from invisible devils. Tell the fan how worthless you are, how meaningless you are in comparison, and how lucky you feel to not be stepped on and extinguished like the unworthy cockroach that your bible tells you that you are. Beg he who you think made you human for mercy for the crime of being human.

In the meantime, the skeptic walks upright like the bipedal ape he was born to be. You call it pride. I call it dignity.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7728 Dec 6, 2012
derek4 wrote:
[Let's take a look at some of our states' constitutions today:]
Constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts
From:
Chapter VI.
OATHS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS:
“Article I.[Any person chosen governor, lieutenant governor, councillor, senator or representative, and accepting the trust, shall before he proceed to execute the duties of his place or office, make and subscribe the following declaration, viz.--
"I, A. B., do declare, that I believe the Christian religion, and have a firm persuasion of its truth; and that I am seised and possessed, in my own right, of the property required by the constitution as one qualification for the office or place to which I am elected."
http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/Constitutio...
[“I believe the Christian religion, and have a firm persuasion of its truth.”]
That isn't news Dim. Here are several more:

Arkansas, Article 19, Section 1:
No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court.

Maryland, Article 37:
That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution.

Mississippi, Article 14, Section 265:
No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state.

North Carolina, Article 6, Section 8
The following persons shall be disqualified for office: Any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God.

South Carolina, Article 17, Section 4:
No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution.

Tennessee, Article 9, Section 2:
No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state.

Texas, Article 1, Section 4:
No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.

We're going to fix that for you, Dim, although it will take some fifty years or so to do so. We need about 25 more years to assume majority status in the US, and another ten to twenty to gradually replace theists with skeptics in the federal and state governments to assume majorities there as well.

This will be followed by another decade or two the rewrite those laws and plenty more. Watch for your god to disappear from the pledge and the currency, and for your churches to start paying taxes. The Italians are way ahead of the US on that one:

"Italian Catholic Church under pressure to start paying property tax - The Roman Catholic Church in Italy is under growing pressure to start paying taxes on its massive property portfolio, in a move that could raise up to 800 million euros (£680 million) a year and help bail the country out of its economic crisis."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/eur...

That estimate seems pretty low to me:

"America Spends $71 Billion Annually Subsidizing Tax-Exempt Religion" http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/america-...

Tick-tock, tick-tock.

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