Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 Full story: The Star Press 11,175

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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#7658 Dec 5, 2012
Do atheists go to hell, or are they already here?

People who choose to not believe in god take grave risks.

Discrimination is one of the most common of these risks, and is at its extreme in places like Indonesia, for example, where atheism is reportedly against the law.

In its national anthem, this friendly nation proclaims itself “Indonesia the great, independent and free“. Sadly this freedom is not extended to Alexander Aan who has been detained since earlier this year for declaring himself an atheist on his Facebook page. He faces five years in jail.

[continued:]

In America atheists are the second most disliked group. Atheists in the US tend to fare less well when it comes to health too, according to this story. OK the story doesn’t exactly say that. It says,“Very Religious People Score Higher In Health Self-Evaluations, According To Study“. Near enough.

Here’s another one from the same publication that should have had Hitch on his knees.“Why People Who Pray Are Healthier Than Those Who Don’t”.

In this article we learn that one National Institutes of Health funded study, revealed individuals who prayed daily were shown to be 40 percent less likely to have high blood pressure than those without a regular prayer practice.

They also tell us that a recent survey in the Journal of Gerontology of 4,000 senior citizens in Durham, NC, found that people who prayed or meditated coped better with illness and lived longer than those who did not.

We also hear about research at Dartmouth Medical School that found that patients with strong religious beliefs who underwent elective heart surgery were three times more likely to recover than those who were less religious.

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It doesn’t seem fair that atheists miss out on all the benefits of faith.

There is an obvious gap in the market for a flexible faith that scientifically explains the way things are, and predicts what happens next through a blend of science-based futurist projections of technological development and general inspiration.

Such a faith should deliver all the healthy benefits of religion to the atheist, while also providing a back-up belief for a rationalist trapped in an old-fashioned traditional society.

Hence the Church of Magnetism. Our deity is Creation – not even an atheist can deny the fact of existence.

Don’t you feel better already?
http://www.magnetism.com/church-of-magnetism/...

[“The Church of Magnetism”- LMAO]

Since: Nov 11

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#7659 Dec 5, 2012
'Where was God in Aurora?' comments show Internet as church for atheists

'The Internet has become the de facto global church for atheists, agnostics and other doubters of God, who of course don’t have bricks-and-mortar churches in which to congregate.

We see this phenomenon in motion every day on the CNN Belief Blog, where atheists/agnostics/humanists are among the most zealous commenters.

Recent string of posts around the question of “Where was God in Aurora?”(such as this and this) drew especially large waves of comments that show atheists are using the Internet to commune with one another and to confront religious believers in ways that they don’t usually do in church.

Atheists and other secularists have offline organizations that stage in-person meetings – the Secular Student Alliance has seen its number of campus chapters quadruple in the last five years, to 368 – but the Internet has probably played a bigger role in the rise of the so-called New Atheism. The movement’s adherents evangelize their godlessness, just as many religious folks evangelize their God, often taking to the Belief Blog to do so.

“A lot of millennials who are coming of age have found that the Internet is a fantastic place to talk about their doubt,” says Jesse Galef, communications director for the Secular Student Alliance.“Before the Internet, there was no place for young people to do that. The only place to go was really church, and that wasn’t always a welcoming place.

“But they can go online and discuss these ideas without being judged by friends and families,” Galef says.”
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/01/wher...

[“But they can go online and discuss these ideas without being judged by friends and families.” How embarrassing to believe in something you have to hide from family and friends.]

Since: Nov 11

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#7660 Dec 5, 2012
A Church for Atheists Gets Hundreds of Attendees in Tulsa, Oklahoma

It was just a couple of weeks ago that I was talking about former Pastor Mike Aus and his weekly “Church for atheists” in Houston, Texas.

Now, Rev. Marlin Lavanhar at All Souls Unitarian Church in Tulsa, Oklahoma is doing something very similar — and very successful:

“These are people who are not inspired to live their lives a certain way by ideas of God or by Scripture but who have the same human needs for community, compassion, meaning and marking the significant passages of birth, coming of age, marriage and death,” he said.

Lavanhar said the church started the humanist service in September, partly in response to the rapid growth of atheism in society.

“If I can’t make my case for loving your neighbor without reference to God and Scripture, then I am truly going to miss a huge segment of the population who may find themselves permanently outside the walls of organized religion,” he said.

Lavanhar said the new 8:30 a.m. non-theist service has drawn as many as 280 people and averages between 100 and 200.

280 people?! For an atheist service in Oklahoma?! That’s pretty impressive.

To be fair, Lavanhar is religious and saving souls is part of his game plan:

Many people who come to All Souls as atheists have not rejected God but their fourth-grade concept of God, he said.

“I say to them,‘Tell me what God you don’t believe in, and I’ll probably tell you I don’t believe in that God either.’”

As they learn more, they sometimes come to a theistic position, he said.

Um… how about the God who answers prayers, plays a role in our lives, and loves us? How about the God who was born of a virgin and came back to life after dying? I reject that one.

And who are these atheists who begin to believe in God? Where are the interviews with them? We never hear from these mysterious former atheists…

Even though I’m pretty sure I would never attend a service like this, the fact that some atheists are attending it regularly is proof enough that some of us like that sort of community. It’s possible to have all the trappings of church without all the bullshit it normally comes wrapped in. Lavanhar is smart to offer the service. If other churches haven’t followed in his footsteps, they will be soon enough.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...

[You atheists in this forum are out of step with atheists that are "going placs" in today's world......you need to start attending church!- LMAO]

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#7661 Dec 5, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
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Paul's letters are not in Genesis or Exodus.
There are no christian ideas in Genesis or Exodus.
Matthew 9:4, "'Haven't you heard that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female,"
Mark 10:6 "But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female."
1st Timothy 2:13-14 "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."

Matthew 24:38-29, "For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away."
2nd Peter 3:5, "But they deliberately forgot that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed."
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#7662 Dec 5, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Matthew 9:4, "'Haven't you heard that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female,"
etc.
Informative quotes. This shows that the new testament authors were young earth creationists, and mistakenly took the OT as history.

Since: Jun 07

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#7663 Dec 5, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Matthew 9:4, "'Haven't you heard that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female,"
Mark 10:6 "But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female."
1st Timothy 2:13-14 "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."
Matthew 24:38-29, "For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away."
2nd Peter 3:5, "But they deliberately forgot that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed."
Lying Creationist spammer with no proof of god whatsoever, lying about atheists and scientists at every opportunity.

Total atheists converted: 0

Since: Jun 07

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#7664 Dec 5, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
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Sam Harris is a lying demagogue who appeals to hatred and fear.
In "The End of Faith", Harris stated that “Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them”(pp. 52-53). This raised so many eyebrows, even among atheists, that Harris-The-Pussy felt obliged to issue some clarification on the internet. He said he was talking about people like Osama Bin Laden. He's lying, of course, because he equates the threat of Christian ideas with those of Osama.
He is suggesting it might be necessary to exterminate groups of people for their ideas because of something they might do someday. Millions believe like Osama, but never harm anyone. Harris justifies murdering them in advance.
Sam Harris is a pig who inadvertently revealed himself in alignment with Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pott, and Mao.
This is why humanists should never be allowed power over anyone or anything.
Proven Creationist lying spammer with no proof of god.

Lies at every opportunity yet converts nobody.

Sells us morals while having no morality or sense of truth

Since: Jun 07

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#7665 Dec 5, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
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Sam Harris is a pig who inadvertently revealed himself in alignment with Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pott, and Mao.
This is why humanists should never be allowed power over anyone or anything.
Hitler was catholic, nice try creationist liar.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#7666 Dec 5, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Lying Creationist spammer ..
Assume this wasnt meant for Hedonist.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#7667 Dec 5, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Hitler was catholic, nice try creationist liar.
As mentioned on a previous thread, even if Hitler wasnt a Catholic, many of the Nazis and supporters were devout Catholics.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#7668 Dec 5, 2012
Adam wrote:
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Assume this wasnt meant for Hedonist.
I assume as much also.

Skeptic sometimes gets carried away.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#7669 Dec 5, 2012
Adam wrote:
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As mentioned on a previous thread, even if Hitler wasnt a Catholic, many of the Nazis and supporters were devout Catholics.
Gott Mit Uns

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7670 Dec 5, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
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Sam Harris is a lying demagogue who appeals to hatred and fear.
In "The End of Faith", Harris stated that “Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them”(pp. 52-53). This raised so many eyebrows, even among atheists, that Harris-The-Pussy felt obliged to issue some clarification on the internet. He said he was talking about people like Osama Bin Laden. He's lying, of course, because he equates the threat of Christian ideas with those of Osama.
He is suggesting it might be necessary to exterminate groups of people for their ideas because of something they might do someday. Millions believe like Osama, but never harm anyone. Harris justifies murdering them in advance.
Sam Harris is a pig who inadvertently revealed himself in alignment with Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pott, and Mao.
This is why humanists should never be allowed power over anyone or anything.
Why did you kill Sadam?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#7671 Dec 5, 2012
Yawn. And? So much opinionated spam spam and more spam. Sorry I will stick with facts not opinion pieces from losers.
KJV wrote:
Part 2
" Christians are not the only group expecting the second coming of Jesus; Muslims are also on the lookout for his return. While the Quran states that Jesus survived the crucifixion, it says nothing about his second coming – though Jesus’ death is implied at some later stage in his life.(Q5:117) Muslims supposedly derive the “second coming of Jesus” theory from sayings attributed to the prophet Muhammad, documented more than 200 years after his death Muslims who will be going through turbulent times under the yoke of this anti-Christ. At the same time, Jesus will supposedly clear up all of the confusion over his status, i.e., announce to the world that he (Jesus) is only human. Besides Jesus, Muslims are also expecting another leader known as “the Mahdi,” who will appear just before Jesus. This “Mahdi” is the equivalent of Elijah in the Bible, who is supposed to appear prior to Jesus. There is ongoing speculation regarding the identity of the anti-Christ, and the search for this elusive devil continues.
The concept of Armageddon predates Christianity and Islam. Zarathustra, founder of Zoroastrianism, was a Persian, who it is believed was the first prophet to preach monotheism. Estimates of Zarathustra's birth range from 660 BCE to 6,000 BCE. Zarathustra preached that there was a supreme God (Ahura Mazda), and an evil spirit (Ahriman). There was also a serpent king (Zohak) under the influence of Ahriman. The apocalyptic process is remarkably similar in Zoroastrianism, a battle foreshadows the end of the world, then there is a waiting period followed by a second battle that vanquishes all evil, followed by a peaceful era. Zarathustra’s version of Armageddon is derived from an even older version in Indo-European myth.(Winn 209-211)"

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#7672 Dec 5, 2012
In what way do you think it's a conspiracy theory?
Adam wrote:
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I take your point. But I cant help feeling this goes too far, into the realm of conspiracy theory.
My view is a person called Jesus could have existed. I wasnt saying this as a fact. But regardless of whether this person existed or not, the accounts are so contradictory and confusing. So not really much solid conclusions can be drawn from them. Except that the evidence is not good enough to form any firm beliefs. This is why I stopped believing.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#7673 Dec 5, 2012
KJV wrote:
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IANS is your own private little god isn't he? So you are not an Atheist you do worship your own god.
Rather funny how you admit in you post that you are less then an equal to IANS
So why should we waste our time with someone who can't let go of the apron strings of your deity? LOL
Just a bit of common courtesy and a nod of the stethoscope to IANS with a medical term that he'll know.

I know that courtesy is an alien concept to xtians. Maybe you can improve a little, but you'll need to work hard on your bedside manner.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#7674 Dec 5, 2012
KJV wrote:
anti-Christ (who represents the Devil) will emerge and rule the earth, and there will be much tribulation. Jesus, clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, will descend with armies from heaven upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his (Jesus) mouth will be a sharp sword, and with it he will smite the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron.(Revelation 19:13-15)
Uh-oh, there's the blood fixation again.

You sure your guy isn't a zombie?

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#7675 Dec 5, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Am I?[LMAO]
I wouldn't know, I don't read his posts, and couldn't care less.
Have you been reading up on Noah and his family lately, or do you just stick with your comic books?
I really couldn't care less whether you read his posts or not.

It's for others to see how your lies are exposed and your posts are demolished with ease.

It's for others to see how you lack the ability to think for yourself so you continually hide behind what other people have said.

It's for other people to see how you run away, frightened to engage people with a counter-argument when your cut + paste jobs are torn to shreds.

Carry on - you're doing fine.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#7676 Dec 5, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Einstein on God and Science
He was asked: You accept the historical Jesus?
He replied:
Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.”
...Einstein, as cited in Viereck 1929; see also Einstein, as cited in the German magazine Geisteskampf der Gegenwart, Guetersloh, 1930, S. 235).
http://2012daily.com/community/blogs/user/201...
From your link

“If one purges the Judaism of the Prophets and Christianity as Jesus Christ taught it of all subsequent additions, especially those of the priests, one is left with a teaching which is capable of curing all the social ills of humanity. It is the duty of every man of good will to strive steadfastly in his own little world to make this teaching of pure humanity a living force, so far as he can.”(Albert Einstein, Ideas and Opinions, New York, Bonanza Books, 1954, 184-185).

Get it? Purge Christianity as Jesus taught it of ALL SUBSEQUENT ADDITIONS.

That means, amongst other things, no Pauline scriptures, which would make for a Christianity unrecognisable from your belief system.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#7677 Dec 5, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Good word! How about "suppurative"? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/suppurative
That's a new one for me but I can see how it can be used as a synonym for Dim's posts.

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