Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11180 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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#7663 Dec 5, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Matthew 9:4, "'Haven't you heard that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female,"
Mark 10:6 "But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female."
1st Timothy 2:13-14 "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."
Matthew 24:38-29, "For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away."
2nd Peter 3:5, "But they deliberately forgot that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed."
Lying Creationist spammer with no proof of god whatsoever, lying about atheists and scientists at every opportunity.

Total atheists converted: 0

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#7664 Dec 5, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
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Sam Harris is a lying demagogue who appeals to hatred and fear.
In "The End of Faith", Harris stated that “Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them”(pp. 52-53). This raised so many eyebrows, even among atheists, that Harris-The-Pussy felt obliged to issue some clarification on the internet. He said he was talking about people like Osama Bin Laden. He's lying, of course, because he equates the threat of Christian ideas with those of Osama.
He is suggesting it might be necessary to exterminate groups of people for their ideas because of something they might do someday. Millions believe like Osama, but never harm anyone. Harris justifies murdering them in advance.
Sam Harris is a pig who inadvertently revealed himself in alignment with Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pott, and Mao.
This is why humanists should never be allowed power over anyone or anything.
Proven Creationist lying spammer with no proof of god.

Lies at every opportunity yet converts nobody.

Sells us morals while having no morality or sense of truth

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#7665 Dec 5, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
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Sam Harris is a pig who inadvertently revealed himself in alignment with Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pott, and Mao.
This is why humanists should never be allowed power over anyone or anything.
Hitler was catholic, nice try creationist liar.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#7666 Dec 5, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Lying Creationist spammer ..
Assume this wasnt meant for Hedonist.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#7667 Dec 5, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Hitler was catholic, nice try creationist liar.
As mentioned on a previous thread, even if Hitler wasnt a Catholic, many of the Nazis and supporters were devout Catholics.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#7668 Dec 5, 2012
Adam wrote:
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Assume this wasnt meant for Hedonist.
I assume as much also.

Skeptic sometimes gets carried away.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#7669 Dec 5, 2012
Adam wrote:
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As mentioned on a previous thread, even if Hitler wasnt a Catholic, many of the Nazis and supporters were devout Catholics.
Gott Mit Uns

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7670 Dec 5, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
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Sam Harris is a lying demagogue who appeals to hatred and fear.
In "The End of Faith", Harris stated that “Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them”(pp. 52-53). This raised so many eyebrows, even among atheists, that Harris-The-Pussy felt obliged to issue some clarification on the internet. He said he was talking about people like Osama Bin Laden. He's lying, of course, because he equates the threat of Christian ideas with those of Osama.
He is suggesting it might be necessary to exterminate groups of people for their ideas because of something they might do someday. Millions believe like Osama, but never harm anyone. Harris justifies murdering them in advance.
Sam Harris is a pig who inadvertently revealed himself in alignment with Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pott, and Mao.
This is why humanists should never be allowed power over anyone or anything.
Why did you kill Sadam?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#7671 Dec 5, 2012
Yawn. And? So much opinionated spam spam and more spam. Sorry I will stick with facts not opinion pieces from losers.
KJV wrote:
Part 2
" Christians are not the only group expecting the second coming of Jesus; Muslims are also on the lookout for his return. While the Quran states that Jesus survived the crucifixion, it says nothing about his second coming – though Jesus’ death is implied at some later stage in his life.(Q5:117) Muslims supposedly derive the “second coming of Jesus” theory from sayings attributed to the prophet Muhammad, documented more than 200 years after his death Muslims who will be going through turbulent times under the yoke of this anti-Christ. At the same time, Jesus will supposedly clear up all of the confusion over his status, i.e., announce to the world that he (Jesus) is only human. Besides Jesus, Muslims are also expecting another leader known as “the Mahdi,” who will appear just before Jesus. This “Mahdi” is the equivalent of Elijah in the Bible, who is supposed to appear prior to Jesus. There is ongoing speculation regarding the identity of the anti-Christ, and the search for this elusive devil continues.
The concept of Armageddon predates Christianity and Islam. Zarathustra, founder of Zoroastrianism, was a Persian, who it is believed was the first prophet to preach monotheism. Estimates of Zarathustra's birth range from 660 BCE to 6,000 BCE. Zarathustra preached that there was a supreme God (Ahura Mazda), and an evil spirit (Ahriman). There was also a serpent king (Zohak) under the influence of Ahriman. The apocalyptic process is remarkably similar in Zoroastrianism, a battle foreshadows the end of the world, then there is a waiting period followed by a second battle that vanquishes all evil, followed by a peaceful era. Zarathustra’s version of Armageddon is derived from an even older version in Indo-European myth.(Winn 209-211)"

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#7672 Dec 5, 2012
In what way do you think it's a conspiracy theory?
Adam wrote:
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I take your point. But I cant help feeling this goes too far, into the realm of conspiracy theory.
My view is a person called Jesus could have existed. I wasnt saying this as a fact. But regardless of whether this person existed or not, the accounts are so contradictory and confusing. So not really much solid conclusions can be drawn from them. Except that the evidence is not good enough to form any firm beliefs. This is why I stopped believing.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#7673 Dec 5, 2012
KJV wrote:
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IANS is your own private little god isn't he? So you are not an Atheist you do worship your own god.
Rather funny how you admit in you post that you are less then an equal to IANS
So why should we waste our time with someone who can't let go of the apron strings of your deity? LOL
Just a bit of common courtesy and a nod of the stethoscope to IANS with a medical term that he'll know.

I know that courtesy is an alien concept to xtians. Maybe you can improve a little, but you'll need to work hard on your bedside manner.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#7674 Dec 5, 2012
KJV wrote:
anti-Christ (who represents the Devil) will emerge and rule the earth, and there will be much tribulation. Jesus, clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, will descend with armies from heaven upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his (Jesus) mouth will be a sharp sword, and with it he will smite the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron.(Revelation 19:13-15)
Uh-oh, there's the blood fixation again.

You sure your guy isn't a zombie?

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#7675 Dec 5, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Am I?[LMAO]
I wouldn't know, I don't read his posts, and couldn't care less.
Have you been reading up on Noah and his family lately, or do you just stick with your comic books?
I really couldn't care less whether you read his posts or not.

It's for others to see how your lies are exposed and your posts are demolished with ease.

It's for others to see how you lack the ability to think for yourself so you continually hide behind what other people have said.

It's for other people to see how you run away, frightened to engage people with a counter-argument when your cut + paste jobs are torn to shreds.

Carry on - you're doing fine.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#7676 Dec 5, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Einstein on God and Science
He was asked: You accept the historical Jesus?
He replied:
Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.”
...Einstein, as cited in Viereck 1929; see also Einstein, as cited in the German magazine Geisteskampf der Gegenwart, Guetersloh, 1930, S. 235).
http://2012daily.com/community/blogs/user/201...
From your link

“If one purges the Judaism of the Prophets and Christianity as Jesus Christ taught it of all subsequent additions, especially those of the priests, one is left with a teaching which is capable of curing all the social ills of humanity. It is the duty of every man of good will to strive steadfastly in his own little world to make this teaching of pure humanity a living force, so far as he can.”(Albert Einstein, Ideas and Opinions, New York, Bonanza Books, 1954, 184-185).

Get it? Purge Christianity as Jesus taught it of ALL SUBSEQUENT ADDITIONS.

That means, amongst other things, no Pauline scriptures, which would make for a Christianity unrecognisable from your belief system.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#7677 Dec 5, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Good word! How about "suppurative"? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/suppurative
That's a new one for me but I can see how it can be used as a synonym for Dim's posts.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#7678 Dec 5, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Atheist groups fight each other
“Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the battle between two national atheist organizations:
A war has broken out between the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) and American Atheists. It’s over money. Both are appealing to the same small pool of angry nonbelievers, and there is only so much dough to go around. FFRF pulled the trigger.
American Atheists sought to put its vile message on billboards in Tampa and Charlotte, home of the two political conventions. It got shut out of Tampa, and recently said it was pulling its billboards in Charlotte, allegedly because of threats. Enter FFRF: it succeeded in getting its billboards posted in both cities.
So what’s the problem? FFRF is furious that many are mistakenly attributing its billboards to American Atheists. FFRF says,“Please do not confuse FFRF’s billboard message with that of another atheist group, which tried unsuccessfully to place a very different message in Tampa, and which has voluntarily removed its billboards in Charlotte.” In other words, FFRF wants the credit, and the cash that goes with it.
FFRF is right about one thing: the messages are not identical. American Atheists sought to dump on Mormons and Christians, saving its most vicious comments for the latter (notice it didn’t rip on Jews or Muslims). The Christian God, it said, was “Sadistic,” the product of a “Useless Savior” who “Promotes Hate.” Well, they would certainly know something about hate. By contrast FFRF’s message is not hate-filled: it simply says,“God Fixation Won’t Fix This Nation.” This may be moronic, but it is not negative; it is vintage fare from the hapless ones.
How effective are these ads? The Republicans are largely composed of the faithful, and the Democrats are largely populated by secularists; the former won’t convert and the latter already have. So why bother?“
http://oregonfaithreport.com/2012/08/atheist-...
[Why don't these atheists learn to work together? They are such a minority anyway, it's a shame to see them divided. Unity is the answer.]
Whatever the fallout from this "war" between atheists you can bet it won't come anywhere near the estimated 11 million that died in the Thirty Years War. You know, the war between Christians.

“Think&Care”

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#7680 Dec 5, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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You're *attempting* to dispute something - that part is obvious.
Sorry it's not working out for you, and you're unhappy.
Wish I could help you.
Clearly you have nothing to say that refutes my argument. I'm not at all unhappy. I am simply waiting for you to say something intelligent. I have a feeling it may well be a long wait.

“Think&Care”

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#7681 Dec 5, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I like that they followed one star in particular, as if it were moving in a different direction than the other stars.
I also like their camels had to walk as fast as the earth rotates under a star - about 1000 miles an hour near the equator - in order to get from Persia to Bethlehem before before the star set the next morning.
Apparently, the star must have just stopped moving when it was directly over the correct manger in order to guide the Magi, although I don't know how you can identify the exact moment the star fell out of formation and remained fixed as the remaining stars continued on their journeys to the western horizon.
This is a religion for imbeciles.
It's even better than that. The 'wise men' we astrologers, using the stars and the motions of the planets to make predictions about human concerns. There had been a long tradition of such astrologers in the east after Alexander and his troops took over. The whole story reeks of Hellenistic philosophy and of the mysticism that was the intellectual precursor to Christianity.

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#7682 Dec 5, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Total atheists converted: 0
It's always your choice to go to hell.

Total Christians in this forum converted to atheism: ZERO

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#7683 Dec 5, 2012
Adam wrote:
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Assume this wasnt meant for Hedonist.
Maybe it was, lol.

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