Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Press

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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your mjesina=satanic wind body..Are you for sure your expert is new experiment?
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo
vanity vanity
nothing new under sky
you try tell us about new experiment oh ho ho ho

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KJV wrote:
"From the perspective of the latest physical theories, Christianity is not a mere religion, but an experimentally testable science.”
- Professor of mathematical physics Frank Tippler"

Got love it!
I bet you don't love it when you see the results of the scientific investigations of the claims of Christianity. So far, they've contradicted most of Genesis and Exodus for starters, as well as claims that prayer is efficacious.

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Namu Myoho Renge Kyo wrote:
See what well known atheist Sam Harris has to say about Buddhism.
http://www.nichirenbuddhist.org/
Nothing too flattering. From http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/killi... :

"Given the degree to which religion still inspires human conflict, and impedes genuine inquiry, I believe that merely being a self-described “Buddhist” is to be complicit in the world’s violence and ignorance to an unacceptable degree." - Sam Harris

Elsewhere, Harris admires the naturalistic aspects of Buddhism - the contemplative and philosophical side. But when it becomes religion, he isn't too complimentary:

"Indeed, there are ideas within Buddhism that are so incredible as to render the dogma of the virgin birth plausible by comparison. No one is served by a mode of discourse that treats such pre-literate notions as integral to our evolving discourse about the nature of the human mind. Among Western Buddhists, there are college-educated men and women who apparently believe that Guru Rinpoche was actually born from a lotus. This is not the spiritual breakthrough that civilization has been waiting for these many centuries."

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truth wrote:
your mjesina=satanic wind body..Are you for sure your expert is new experiment?
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo
vanity vanity
nothing new under sky
you try tell us about new experiment oh ho ho ho
Thanks, Balki.
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Givemeliberty wrote:
.. So to accept Jesus as a historical person we must also accept Hercules.
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I take your point. But I cant help feeling this goes too far, into the realm of conspiracy theory.

My view is a person called Jesus could have existed. I wasnt saying this as a fact. But regardless of whether this person existed or not, the accounts are so contradictory and confusing. So not really much solid conclusions can be drawn from them. Except that the evidence is not good enough to form any firm beliefs. This is why I stopped believing.
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derek4 wrote:
A PERSONAL FAVORITE:
:“I think only an idiot can be an atheist. We must admit that there exists an incomprehensible power or force with limitless foresight and knowledge that started the whole universe going in the first place.”
To start out with a super intelligent being, going against how we understand the universe evolved. The evidence shows the universe started with simple beginnings and the cosmos over eons became more complex. Likewise when life evolved here on earth, it started out as simple life forms, and evolved over billions of years into the complexity we have today.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I bet you don't love it when you see the results of the scientific investigations of the claims of Christianity. So far, they've contradicted most of Genesis and Exodus for starters, as well as claims that prayer is efficacious.
There are no christian claims in Genesis or Exodus.
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Buck Crick wrote:
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There are no christian claims in Genesis or Exodus.
In Paul's letters he teaches that since the "fall of man" in the garden of Eden, we are all tainted with original sin, and are all guilty before God and in need of redemption. Therefore God sent his Son Jesus as the second Adam to pay for our sins, and make us good again with God, according to the christian storybook.

Now as we know that the stories of Genesis are MYTH, contradicting archeology and science, then there is no need for redemption from original sin, cause "the fall" never happened. Jesus was not paying for anything by being crucified, and the mythology built up around these stories is false. Do you agree?

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Nothing too flattering. From http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/killi... :
"Given the degree to which religion still inspires human conflict, and impedes genuine inquiry, I believe that merely being a self-described “Buddhist” is to be complicit in the world’s violence and ignorance to an unacceptable degree." - Sam Harris
Elsewhere, Harris admires the naturalistic aspects of Buddhism - the contemplative and philosophical side. But when it becomes religion, he isn't too complimentary:
"Indeed, there are ideas within Buddhism that are so incredible as to render the dogma of the virgin birth plausible by comparison. No one is served by a mode of discourse that treats such pre-literate notions as integral to our evolving discourse about the nature of the human mind. Among Western Buddhists, there are college-educated men and women who apparently believe that Guru Rinpoche was actually born from a lotus. This is not the spiritual breakthrough that civilization has been waiting for these many centuries."
Sam Harris is a lying demagogue who appeals to hatred and fear.

In "The End of Faith", Harris stated that “Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them”(pp. 52-53). This raised so many eyebrows, even among atheists, that Harris-The-Pussy felt obliged to issue some clarification on the internet. He said he was talking about people like Osama Bin Laden. He's lying, of course, because he equates the threat of Christian ideas with those of Osama.

He is suggesting it might be necessary to exterminate groups of people for their ideas because of something they might do someday. Millions believe like Osama, but never harm anyone. Harris justifies murdering them in advance.

Sam Harris is a pig who inadvertently revealed himself in alignment with Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pott, and Mao.

This is why humanists should never be allowed power over anyone or anything.

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In Paul's letters he teaches that since the "fall of man" in the garden of Eden, we are all tainted with original sin, and are all guilty before God and in need of redemption. Therefore God sent his Son Jesus as the second Adam to pay for our sins, and make us good again with God, according to the christian storybook.
Now as we know that the stories of Genesis are MYTH, contradicting archeology and science, then there is no need for redemption from original sin, cause "the fall" never happened. Jesus was not paying for anything by being crucified, and the mythology built up around these stories is false. Do you agree?
Paul's letters are not in Genesis or Exodus.

There are no christian ideas in Genesis or Exodus.
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Buck Crick wrote:
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There are no christian ideas in Genesis or Exodus.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding here. Are you a christian?

If so, you have to believe the Genesis and the rest of the OT, at least to accept it in a limited sense.

Now if you have come to the conclusion that the OT is BS, and resembles sharia law, well done, you are on the path to enlightment.

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Buck Crick wrote:
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There are no christian claims in Genesis or Exodus.
REally?

Without a literal Adam & Eve there is no original sin and the whole mythology falls apart.

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To start out with a super intelligent being, going against how we understand the universe evolved. The evidence shows the universe started with simple beginnings and the cosmos over eons became more complex. Likewise when life evolved here on earth, it started out as simple life forms, and evolved over billions of years into the complexity we have today.
Hello, Adam. I appreciate your regular ongoing participation in the forum, and I always enjoy reading your comments.

I'm sorry that it appears you didn't like the scientist quotes I shared with the forum, since you presented sort of a (catch-all) condensed science lesson in response to this particular Christian Anfinsen quote I posted:

Christian Anfinsen:“I think only an idiot can be an atheist. We must admit that there exists an incomprehensible power or force with limitless foresight and knowledge that started the whole universe going in the first place.”

Adam, I mean you no disrespect, since I'm sure you're a fine person, even though, by your own admission, you oscillate back and forth between atheism and Christianity - but again, I need to remind you and the forum participants of my consistent policy: If you find objection to the content of any web page, you should present your concerns to the publisher of that page. I provide links with my post for your convenience. Telling me about your concerns won't get rid of the internet material you object to. You have to stand up for your beliefs and fight with the publishers of the web pages, to see if you can get the truth deleted.

Unfortunately, I can't re-write history to help you feel better about your atheism or the fraudulent theory of evolution, nor can I take back quotes made by great scientists of the past.

Christian Anfinsen passed away in 1995, so it's a little late for him to benefit from your vast knowledge of science.

Maybe you could send a letter to his survivors and let them know how you feel. Then you can say you tried to convert his family to atheism, which may bring you some degree of personal satisfaction. At least you will have tried – that's all you can do, right?

Finally, let me say that I do recognize that the atheists in our forum would like to believe all scientists support evolution and subscribe to godlessness. Unfortunately, however, that just isn't true.

I hate to let you down, but many of our fine scientists were / are Christians.

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Atheist groups fight each other

“Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the battle between two national atheist organizations:

A war has broken out between the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) and American Atheists. It’s over money. Both are appealing to the same small pool of angry nonbelievers, and there is only so much dough to go around. FFRF pulled the trigger.

American Atheists sought to put its vile message on billboards in Tampa and Charlotte, home of the two political conventions. It got shut out of Tampa, and recently said it was pulling its billboards in Charlotte, allegedly because of threats. Enter FFRF: it succeeded in getting its billboards posted in both cities.

So what’s the problem? FFRF is furious that many are mistakenly attributing its billboards to American Atheists. FFRF says,“Please do not confuse FFRF’s billboard message with that of another atheist group, which tried unsuccessfully to place a very different message in Tampa, and which has voluntarily removed its billboards in Charlotte.” In other words, FFRF wants the credit, and the cash that goes with it.

FFRF is right about one thing: the messages are not identical. American Atheists sought to dump on Mormons and Christians, saving its most vicious comments for the latter (notice it didn’t rip on Jews or Muslims). The Christian God, it said, was “Sadistic,” the product of a “Useless Savior” who “Promotes Hate.” Well, they would certainly know something about hate. By contrast FFRF’s message is not hate-filled: it simply says,“God Fixation Won’t Fix This Nation.” This may be moronic, but it is not negative; it is vintage fare from the hapless ones.

How effective are these ads? The Republicans are largely composed of the faithful, and the Democrats are largely populated by secularists; the former won’t convert and the latter already have. So why bother?“
http://oregonfaithreport.com/2012/08/atheist-...

[Why don't these atheists learn to work together? They are such a minority anyway, it's a shame to see them divided. Unity is the answer.]

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Do atheists go to hell, or are they already here?

People who choose to not believe in god take grave risks.

Discrimination is one of the most common of these risks, and is at its extreme in places like Indonesia, for example, where atheism is reportedly against the law.

In its national anthem, this friendly nation proclaims itself “Indonesia the great, independent and free“. Sadly this freedom is not extended to Alexander Aan who has been detained since earlier this year for declaring himself an atheist on his Facebook page. He faces five years in jail.

[continued:]

In America atheists are the second most disliked group. Atheists in the US tend to fare less well when it comes to health too, according to this story. OK the story doesn’t exactly say that. It says,“Very Religious People Score Higher In Health Self-Evaluations, According To Study“. Near enough.

Here’s another one from the same publication that should have had Hitch on his knees.“Why People Who Pray Are Healthier Than Those Who Don’t”.

In this article we learn that one National Institutes of Health funded study, revealed individuals who prayed daily were shown to be 40 percent less likely to have high blood pressure than those without a regular prayer practice.

They also tell us that a recent survey in the Journal of Gerontology of 4,000 senior citizens in Durham, NC, found that people who prayed or meditated coped better with illness and lived longer than those who did not.

We also hear about research at Dartmouth Medical School that found that patients with strong religious beliefs who underwent elective heart surgery were three times more likely to recover than those who were less religious.

[continued:]

It doesn’t seem fair that atheists miss out on all the benefits of faith.

There is an obvious gap in the market for a flexible faith that scientifically explains the way things are, and predicts what happens next through a blend of science-based futurist projections of technological development and general inspiration.

Such a faith should deliver all the healthy benefits of religion to the atheist, while also providing a back-up belief for a rationalist trapped in an old-fashioned traditional society.

Hence the Church of Magnetism. Our deity is Creation – not even an atheist can deny the fact of existence.

Don’t you feel better already?
http://www.magnetism.com/church-of-magnetism/...

[“The Church of Magnetism”- LMAO]

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'Where was God in Aurora?' comments show Internet as church for atheists

'The Internet has become the de facto global church for atheists, agnostics and other doubters of God, who of course don’t have bricks-and-mortar churches in which to congregate.

We see this phenomenon in motion every day on the CNN Belief Blog, where atheists/agnostics/humanists are among the most zealous commenters.

Recent string of posts around the question of “Where was God in Aurora?”(such as this and this) drew especially large waves of comments that show atheists are using the Internet to commune with one another and to confront religious believers in ways that they don’t usually do in church.

Atheists and other secularists have offline organizations that stage in-person meetings – the Secular Student Alliance has seen its number of campus chapters quadruple in the last five years, to 368 – but the Internet has probably played a bigger role in the rise of the so-called New Atheism. The movement’s adherents evangelize their godlessness, just as many religious folks evangelize their God, often taking to the Belief Blog to do so.

“A lot of millennials who are coming of age have found that the Internet is a fantastic place to talk about their doubt,” says Jesse Galef, communications director for the Secular Student Alliance.“Before the Internet, there was no place for young people to do that. The only place to go was really church, and that wasn’t always a welcoming place.

“But they can go online and discuss these ideas without being judged by friends and families,” Galef says.”
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/01/wher...

[“But they can go online and discuss these ideas without being judged by friends and families.” How embarrassing to believe in something you have to hide from family and friends.]

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A Church for Atheists Gets Hundreds of Attendees in Tulsa, Oklahoma

It was just a couple of weeks ago that I was talking about former Pastor Mike Aus and his weekly “Church for atheists” in Houston, Texas.

Now, Rev. Marlin Lavanhar at All Souls Unitarian Church in Tulsa, Oklahoma is doing something very similar — and very successful:

“These are people who are not inspired to live their lives a certain way by ideas of God or by Scripture but who have the same human needs for community, compassion, meaning and marking the significant passages of birth, coming of age, marriage and death,” he said.

Lavanhar said the church started the humanist service in September, partly in response to the rapid growth of atheism in society.

“If I can’t make my case for loving your neighbor without reference to God and Scripture, then I am truly going to miss a huge segment of the population who may find themselves permanently outside the walls of organized religion,” he said.

Lavanhar said the new 8:30 a.m. non-theist service has drawn as many as 280 people and averages between 100 and 200.

280 people?! For an atheist service in Oklahoma?! That’s pretty impressive.

To be fair, Lavanhar is religious and saving souls is part of his game plan:

Many people who come to All Souls as atheists have not rejected God but their fourth-grade concept of God, he said.

“I say to them,‘Tell me what God you don’t believe in, and I’ll probably tell you I don’t believe in that God either.’”

As they learn more, they sometimes come to a theistic position, he said.

Um… how about the God who answers prayers, plays a role in our lives, and loves us? How about the God who was born of a virgin and came back to life after dying? I reject that one.

And who are these atheists who begin to believe in God? Where are the interviews with them? We never hear from these mysterious former atheists…

Even though I’m pretty sure I would never attend a service like this, the fact that some atheists are attending it regularly is proof enough that some of us like that sort of community. It’s possible to have all the trappings of church without all the bullshit it normally comes wrapped in. Lavanhar is smart to offer the service. If other churches haven’t followed in his footsteps, they will be soon enough.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...

[You atheists in this forum are out of step with atheists that are "going placs" in today's world......you need to start attending church!- LMAO]

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Buck Crick wrote:
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Paul's letters are not in Genesis or Exodus.
There are no christian ideas in Genesis or Exodus.
Matthew 9:4, "'Haven't you heard that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female,"
Mark 10:6 "But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female."
1st Timothy 2:13-14 "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."

Matthew 24:38-29, "For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away."
2nd Peter 3:5, "But they deliberately forgot that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed."
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Hedonist wrote:
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Matthew 9:4, "'Haven't you heard that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female,"
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Informative quotes. This shows that the new testament authors were young earth creationists, and mistakenly took the OT as history.

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Hedonist wrote:
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Matthew 9:4, "'Haven't you heard that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female,"
Mark 10:6 "But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female."
1st Timothy 2:13-14 "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."
Matthew 24:38-29, "For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away."
2nd Peter 3:5, "But they deliberately forgot that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed."
Lying Creationist spammer with no proof of god whatsoever, lying about atheists and scientists at every opportunity.

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