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No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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#7617 Dec 4, 2012
“It seems to me that when confronted with the marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how. The only possible answers are religious.... I find a need for God in the universe and in my own life.”

“Religion is founded on faith. It seems to me that when confronted with the marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how. The only possible answers are religious. For me that means Protestant Christianity, to which I was introduced as a child and which has withstood the tests of a lifetime.”

“But the context of religion is a great background for doing science. In the words of Psalm 19,‘The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament showeth his handiwork’. Thus scientific research is a worshipful act, in that it reveals more of the wonders of God’s creation.”
- Arthur L. Schawlow, professor of physics at Stanford University and winner of the 1981 Nobel Prize in Physics
http://www.godevidence.com/2010/08/quotes-abo...

Since: Nov 11

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#7618 Dec 4, 2012
A PERSONAL FAVORITE:

To the question,“Many prominent scientists – including Darwin, Einstein, and Planck – have considered the concept of God very seriously. What are your thoughts on the concept of God and on the existence of God?”

Christian Anfinsen replied:“I think only an idiot can be an atheist. We must admit that there exists an incomprehensible power or force with limitless foresight and knowledge that started the whole universe going in the first place.”
- Nobel Prize winning chemist Christian Anfinsen
http://www.godevidence.com/2010/08/quotes-abo...

[“only an idiot can be an atheist”]
KJV

United States

#7619 Dec 4, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“A Creator must exist. The Big Bang ripples and subsequent scientific findings are clearly pointing to an ex nihilo creation consistent with the first few verses of the book of Genesis.”
- Quantum chemist Henry F. Schaefer III, five time nominee for the Nobel Prize


“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
- Albert Einstein

“When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics.”

“From the perspective of the latest physical theories, Christianity is not a mere religion, but an experimentally testable science.”
- Professor of mathematical physics Frank Tippler
http://www.godevidence.com/2010/08/quotes-abo...
"From the perspective of the latest physical theories, Christianity is not a mere religion, but an experimentally testable science.”
- Professor of mathematical physics Frank Tippler"

Got love it!
KJV

United States

#7620 Dec 4, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“It seems to me that when confronted with the marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how. The only possible answers are religious.... I find a need for God in the universe and in my own life.”

“Religion is founded on faith. It seems to me that when confronted with the marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how. The only possible answers are religious. For me that means Protestant Christianity, to which I was introduced as a child and which has withstood the tests of a lifetime.”

“But the context of religion is a great background for doing science. In the words of Psalm 19,‘The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament showeth his handiwork’. Thus scientific research is a worshipful act, in that it reveals more of the wonders of God’s creation.”
- Arthur L. Schawlow, professor of physics at Stanford University and winner of the 1981 Nobel Prize in Physics
http://www.godevidence.com/2010/08/quotes-abo...
"But the context of religion is a great background for doing science. In the words of Psalm 19,‘The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament showeth his handiwork’."

Let the truth be known.
KJV

United States

#7621 Dec 4, 2012
derek4 wrote:
A PERSONAL FAVORITE:

To the question,“Many prominent scientists – including Darwin, Einstein, and Planck – have considered the concept of God very seriously. What are your thoughts on the concept of God and on the existence of God?”

Christian Anfinsen replied:“I think only an idiot can be an atheist. We must admit that there exists an incomprehensible power or force with limitless foresight and knowledge that started the whole universe going in the first place.”
- Nobel Prize winning chemist Christian Anfinsen
http://www.godevidence.com/2010/08/quotes-abo...

[“only an idiot can be an atheist”]
"Christian Anfinsen replied:“I think only an idiot can be an atheist."

Amen to that brother.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#7622 Dec 4, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"But I'll tell you what -- just explain to me how a star (any star) can point to a specific location on this planet (any specific location) and I'll take another look at your myth. No? Can't do that? "
If you really want to know. I mean if you want the truth about that then rent the DVD "The Star of Bethlehem " it truly is a very good DVD.
That just a dramatization of a myth, not an answer to my question.

Are you really that ignorant of basic astronomy?

Again, how does any start pinpoint any specific location on this planet?
truth

Perth, Australia

#7623 Dec 4, 2012
regarding ''reward''..you say father in secret will reward them..
oh oh oh What a shame to be naive?

Why you need reward when you on the end will lose everything?

Sto ti je korist da osvojis cijeli svijet kad ces na kraju biti upropascen i dusevno i materijalno.

Its look like this as my poem!!!

''Seceru
dodji mi na veceru
secerom me mamis
a kad me primamis
i zraka mi zabranis..''=death

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7624 Dec 4, 2012
derek4 wrote:
According to yourself, you were once a fake christian, then you switched to being a fake atheist, lol. You're basically just a fake.
Why is your avatar just an empty silhouette, Dim? Is that symbolic of something?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7625 Dec 4, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Is there anything unique or new about your observation that we haven't already seen a thousand times
Do you have any observations of your own, Dim, or are you merely a empty vessel fetching canned apologetics? Maybe it's your idea how many times to repeat each one. That counts as a contribution, doesn't it?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7626 Dec 4, 2012
derek4 wrote:
"I am quite conscious that my speculations run quite beyond the bounds of true science."
Charles Darwin

“To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”
Charles Darwin

“The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us.”
Charles Darwin

“The question of whether there exists a Creator and Ruler of the Universe has been answered in the affirmative by some of the highest intellects that have ever existed.”
Charles Darwin

“Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy.”
Charles Darwin
And yet Darwin's ideas mortally wounded your god anyway, didn't they, Dim? Jehovah peaked down over the edge of his cloud one day to see what young Darwin was up to, fell onto the tree of knowledge, and was impaled by the Darwin branch, where he lays today - still twitching and kicking a little!

And you know it, too, don't you Dim? It's the reason why you fetch your canned apologetics for us. Their like chest compressions for Jehovah.

But it's getting to be time to call the code though, Dim. You're going to have to eventually throw a sheet over your god and toss him on the trash heap of forgotten gods from history next to Odin and Quetzalcoatl.

Sorry, Dim. That must be nearly impossible for you to assimilate.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7627 Dec 4, 2012
derek4 wrote:
You are attempting to dispute a portion of web content previously posted.
That a pretty fancy way to describe your fetch-copy-and-paste posts.
derek4 wrote:
If you wish to dispute the contents of a web page, you should refer to the publisher at the link provided, since I have no interest in your unsubstantiated objections to web content.
Ditto, Dim. Obviously, nobody cares if you even read the responses to your fetch-cut-and-paste pieces, let alone what you think about them. Your function is to fetch.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7628 Dec 4, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“I am hateful, hateful of religion. I hate what religion does to people and that people use it as an excuse to not think."
Why wouldn't an atheist hate your church? Here's part of the reason why:

"The fool says in his heart,'There is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good" - Psalm 14:1

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." - Revelation 21:8

Didn't the authors of those words just call atheists corrupt, vile, abominable, no good, the moral equivalent of liars, murderers and whoremongers, and fit for eternal torture?

Why shouldn't we hate the religion that teaches people to think that way about us? Can you answer that? Why wouldn't we hate that?

We have the legal and moral right to fight back against a church that strives to marginalize and dehumanize us in that way. We have the legal and moral right to work to shrink your church down to a size small enough to drown in a bathtub if that's what it takes to neutralize you.

It's your own fault. You won't share or cooperate, and you won't relent in your atheophobic scapegoating and persecution, so you have to go. It's that simple, and that just.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7629 Dec 4, 2012
derek4 wrote:
"I don't give a crap what anyone believes as long as they respect those who think differently. You can believe that theres some fairy octopus in the sky granting wishes and I could care less as long as you don't judge me for my beliefs."
Well said.

Unfortunately, even that is too much for you people your church doesn't respect the rest of us, Dim, which is why it has to go, Dim. We have the moral right to neutralize it.

You'll see. Once you have become as small and insignificant as the Druids are today, we'll probably never think about you again. You'll always be free to nail some jingly bells and your chicken to a stick and shake it at the moon if that's what you think centers your life and gives it meaning, purpose, and a firm moral foundation.

But you'll have to do it privately and quietly, too, Dim, because frankly, as the man said, nobody else cares what the chicken thinks about gay marriage, sex education, stem cell research, school prayer, extramarital sex between consenting adults, abortion, or anything else.

And we intend to have your church respect that, Dim, whether because it voluntarily relents in its scapegoating of us one day, or because we crack its spine and leave it on the floor. Your choice, Dim. We prefer compromise. But we will prevail with or without your cooperation.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7630 Dec 4, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.
Dim, Dim, Dim!

Even you should be able to reject this data out of hand. Our numbers in America are increasing at your expense. Assuming that Christian children coming from Christian homes and atheist children coming from atheist homes don't affect the relative numbers much, the only way for that to happen is that the number of atheists being generated in religious households outnumber the Christians coming out of irreligious homes.

This is why we call you Dim.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7631 Dec 4, 2012
Khatru wrote:
If IANS ever describes your posts as purulent, you know you're in trouble.
Good word! How about "suppurative"? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/suppurative

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7632 Dec 4, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
just explain to me how a star (any star) can point to a specific location on this planet (any specific location) and I'll take another look at your myth. No? Can't do that?
And that's just one of many, many holes in your mythology. You get past that one and we can try a few more.
I like that they followed one star in particular, as if it were moving in a different direction than the other stars.

I also like their camels had to walk as fast as the earth rotates under a star - about 1000 miles an hour near the equator - in order to get from Persia to Bethlehem before before the star set the next morning.

Apparently, the star must have just stopped moving when it was directly over the correct manger in order to guide the Magi, although I don't know how you can identify the exact moment the star fell out of formation and remained fixed as the remaining stars continued on their journeys to the western horizon.

This is a religion for imbeciles.
truth

Perth, Australia

#7633 Dec 4, 2012
thanks god that you did not know where is spot lay down for heavenly body..

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7634 Dec 4, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
for fun let's pretend the passage isn't forged and Josephus himself wrote it word for word. Again we are pretending for the sake of apologetic argument. So we accept this passage about Jesus in Josephus. If we are going to do that we must also accept his 12 plus passages about Hercules. Ditto with Tacitus who mentions Hercules again and again along with several other ancient historians, scrolls, paintings, coins, pottery and just to show off statues, swords, jewled daggers, tapistries, temples and shrines. Whew!
Good post!

Here's more documentation, this time from Curly Josephus, that Hercules actually existed: "The Three Stooges Meet Hercules" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056579/

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7635 Dec 4, 2012
KJV wrote:
IANS is your own private little god isn't he? So you are not an Atheist you do worship your own god. Rather funny how you admit in you post that you are less then an equal to IANS So why should we waste our time with someone who can't let go of the apron strings of your deity? LOL
This is how you deal with two skeptics coming together to support or commend one another. It should be beneath you. We didn't behave that way following any of your mutual masturbatory sessions with Dim, did we? No. Why do you think that is? Do you think that such a thing never occurs to us, or that we reject it when it does? What do you think is the net effect of posting that way?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7636 Dec 4, 2012
KJV wrote:
anti-Christ (who represents the Devil) will emerge and rule the earth, and there will be much tribulation. Jesus, clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, will descend with armies from heaven upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his (Jesus) mouth will be a sharp sword, and with it he will smite the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron.(Revelation 19:13-15)
"I could not, would not, in a house.
I would not, could not, with a mouse.
I would not eat them with a fox.
I would not eat them in a box." - Green Eggs And Ham

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