Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Press

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Dec 1, 2012
 
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You mean stop quoting people you make statements against atheist?
Like the father if your believe. "Darwin"
"Incontrovertible Proof Against Evolution
By David J. Stewart
Are you ready for the incontrovertible proof that Evolution is a big hoax? The fact of the matter is that evolutionists don't have as much as one single shred of evidence to support their bizarre claims. This fact alone is incontrovertible PROOF that evolution is the biggest educational big fraud ever fabricated.
Even Charles Darwin himself, unquestionably the father of Evolution, admitted that they had NO PROOF of the origin of the Species...
"A fair result can be obtained only by fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question..." -SOURCE: "My Life and Letters", Volume 1.
This is not done. Darwin and his Darwinist followers down to the present day, far from allowing a "fair result" to be "obtained" by "fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question," have in fact done their best (or worst!) to prevent "the facts and arguments on" the other side (i.e. creation/design) "of each question" from being fully stated"!
THE REASON WHY MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD IT ALL HAPPENED THAT WAY! In school it is presented as the only way.
Later in life Charles Darwin had grave doubts about his theory. Near the end of his life he said...
"Not one change of species into another is on record... we cannot prove that a single species has been changed."
SOURCE: "My Life and Letters", Volume 1.
Now 150 years later the situation is still the same! Think about it - despite 150 years of frantic searching, that missing link is still missing! Darwin is saying that there was no proof of his theory and there is none today.
What more proof do you need that Evolution is a BIG MYTH than the mere fact that there is NO EVIDENCE? I didn't say "proof," I said "evidence." Let alone trying to prove the theory of evolution, scientists cannot even bring forth any evidence to support their bogus theories. Oh, how foolish are darkened hearts of men. Does not Romans 1:21-22 perfectly describe evolutionists?... "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." They became fools! There is no more brilliant a group of idiots in the world today than the evolutionists.
No, stop quote mining, you skipped the rest of what was written by Darwin in a lazy lie, often repeated by creatards like you. Include the rest of it, if you don't, then you are just lying. So stop lying.

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IANS?
WTFISANIANSLMFAO!
I'll share this one of IANS with you:

You know how you whackjobs believe that Adam was made in the image of your god?

Well, I asked whether that meant your god had a foreskin.

IANS said that we can't be sure about that but we do know that Jesus had one because he told us so himself.

When he was nailed to that cross and pretending to die, he called out....

"My god! My god! Why hast thou foreskinned me?"

This was misheard by the author of Mark who added it to his error-strewn book.

ROFLMAO!

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Show me in the NT where it says that YFNN
"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them."

Job 1:6

"18 Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the Lord; I saw the Lord sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left.

19 And the Lord said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner.

20 Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will entice him. And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith?

21 And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the Lord said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so."

2 Chronicles 18:18-21

Here we have Satan and a lying spirit allowed into heaven. I guess you'd better get ready with the usual apologetics.

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Real surprise there! YFNN
The proof is there to be seen.

You know how liars make the baby Jesus weep.

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Khatru wrote:
Christians look at the barbarisms of the Muslim world and then proceed to slap each other on the back, secure in the knowledge that they're better than all that.

Of course barbaric behaviour is exactly what Christians once displayed but thanks to atheists and free thinkers, the Christian tiger has been de-clawed.

So the next time a Christian feels he's more civilised than a Muslim, he can thank the atheists for making it so.
Good point.

I recall that citation from Pat Condell that you brought us, which says essentially the same thing, namely that the Christians can thank conscience, reason and compassion - the elements of the rational ethics in secular humanism - for their civilized censoring of their bible:

YOUR MORAL GUIDE
http://dotsub.com/view/e88246dd-b45e-4eca-8e8...

"Religious people often say that atheists have no morals because they have no moral guide. If you believe this, let me ask you something. If you're a Christian, chances are the Bible is your moral guide, but is that all the Bible, or just some of it?

"It's just the good bits, isn't it? The bits you've cherry-picked because obviously if you wanted to live in a Leviticus-style society where people are stoned or mutilated for insane and trivial reasons you could simply move to Iran.

"But how do you decide which are the good bits and which are the bad in the Bible? What do you use as a moral guide? The Bible? Well, surely not. If so, you would simply accept the bad along with the good, which is clearly what the Bible wants you to do otherwise the bad wouldn't be in there in the first place, would it?

"But no, you don't do that. You defy the Bible. You sift out the bad and discard it for the ignorant primitive barbarism it is. In short, you edit the Bible to suit your own sensibilities. So where do you get the moral guidance to impose your authority on the word of the Bible? It has to come from a higher source, doesn't it?(These things usually do.)

"And it does, of course. It comes from you. You are a higher source than the Bible, a much higher source. The criminals who run religion don't want you to know or to act upon this because then their influence over you would be zero.

"Yet the evidence is clear. You sifted the good from the bad in the Bible without the Bible's help. You did it against the Bible's will, and you did it all on your own because, whether you like it or not, you have a conscience, which means that you are capable of distinguishing good from evil without the help of scripture, and you have just proven it beyond any shadow of doubt.

"So, in fact, the Bible is not your moral guide. You are. It doesn't provide you with a moral compass. You do. And the only faith you need is faith in yourself. O happy day.”

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Why would you call me A Christian?
Why I'm a atheist. LMFAO at NN.
You're an atheist?

So despite what you say, you don't take the Bible very seriously at all?

More lies. Why do you lie so much?

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When CBS' sex-slathered sitcom Two and a Half Men premiered in 2003, nine-year- old co-star Angus T. Jones played Jake Harper, the Jon Cryer character’s son, making up the "half man" of the title. Now age 19 and a convert to Christianity, Jones shocked Hollywood this week by publicly denouncing the program as "filth." Jones also wished he was not bound by his contract to remain on the show, and urged viewers to stop watching:
"I'm on Two and a Half Men and I don't want to be on it. If you watch Two and a Half Men, please stop watching it and filling your head with filth. People say it's just entertainment. Do some research on the effects of television and your brain, and I promise you you'll have a decision to make when it comes to television, especially with what you watch," Jones said
PTC Applauds Angus T. Jones
It isn't easy to stand against the Hollywood juggernaut — especially when that same juggernaut pays your salary, and has been a major part of your life since age nine. In the wake of the media explosion surrounding his remarks, Jones offered a clarification statement thanking his co-workers on Two and a Half Men for their many years of friendship...but notably,
"Jones did NOT retract his statements about the show’s "filthy" content."
I used to like that kid.

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Sense we don't know but a fraction of what's out there. I believe you're taking a Quantum leap ruling anything out.
I don't need to go "out there" for the answer concerning Jehovah. Your bible refutes that hypothesis right here on earth.
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We know so little and we don't know so much only true arrogance would allow anyone to cement in on one possibility of how life or the universe started well know knowing 99.9% of what's out there.
That's odd coming from somebody who makes decisions based on faith.

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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...
Particles Found to Travel Faster Than Speed of Light
Neutrino results challenge a cornerstone of Albert Einstein's special theory of relativity, which itself forms the foundation of modern physics
Why are you still posting this misinformation? Polymath debunked it for you.

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Ereditato says that he is confident enough in the new result to make it public. The researchers claim to have measured the 730-kilometer trip between CERN and its detector to within 20 centimeters. They can measure the time of the trip to within 10 nanoseconds, and they have seen the effect in more than 16,000 events measured over the past two years. Given all this, they believe the result has a significance of six-sigma - the physicists' way of saying it is certainly correct.
Do you have a point? Is it that the physicist was certain yet wrong? Please try to develop the habit of making any point in simple declarative statements somewhere in your post if you want to discuss it. Presently, I have no idea why you posted that. You've already been shown that it is wrong:

"CERN Confirms Neutrinos Not Faster Than Light"
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/11125516...

"Faster-than-light neutrino really not fast, scientists say (again)"
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/scienceno...

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I stated no opinion about C.S. Lewis.
Yes you did, and so did I.

You thought he was one of the "Great scientists from the past [1]," and I told you that he was a writer and a hack literary critic, not a scientist.

[1] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

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Do you have a point? Is it that the physicist was certain yet wrong? Please try to develop the habit of making any point in simple declarative statements somewhere in your post if you want to discuss it. Presently, I have no idea why you posted that. You've already been shown that it is wrong:
"CERN Confirms Neutrinos Not Faster Than Light"
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/11125516...
"Faster-than-light neutrino really not fast, scientists say (again)"
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/scienceno...
20 years from now the godbots will still be saying the same BS.

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[“... about 20 percent of atheist scientists are 'spiritual,' if not formally religious.”- Ms Ecklund said it, so take it to the bank, lol.]
I don't see how a Christian can be spiritual at all. Your infantile dogma drags you down. Authentic spirituality involves a connection to nature. Your dogma rips you right out of the universe psychologically and philosophically. You see our world as "worldly," a word which you can barely choke out so great is your contempt for it. Unbelievably, you hate matter itself, and consider it base, and hate the philosophy based in it: materialism.

And you loathe humanity just as much, referring to your own material being as "the flesh," which is spat out with the same contempt that you say "the world."

What could be less spiritual than that? Do you think that you are spiritual because you refer to the mythical pigeon as the Holy Spirit? Wouldn't I be just as spiritual worshiping Casper the Friendly Ghost?

Spirituality combines awe, mystery, gratitude and a sense of connection to the universe. You have taken whatever little of that you might have had and exported it out of our universe to a nonexistent realm populated by figments of your imagination. You have shifted your attention from your humanity, your world, and even your only life to nowhere, and to your death.

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<quoted text>I used to like that kid.
I saw the 15 minute video with him and the preacher that got him.

It was truly pathetic.

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<quoted text>I don't need to go "out there" for the answer concerning Jehovah. Your bible refutes that hypothesis right here on earth.

KJV wrote, "We know so little and we don't know so much only true arrogance would allow anyone to cement in on one possibility of how life or the universe started well know knowing 99.9% of what's out there. "

That's odd coming from somebody who makes decisions based on faith.
And one who is cemented in on one possibility.

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<quoted text>This episode was actually a very good example of how the scientific method works in practice. The people at CERN got some results that they could not explain and that would contradict a central notion of modern physics. So they published their results, asking for the comments of the rest of the physics community. In the process, it was discovered that the cables they were using affected their timing measurements in such a way that their conclusions would be negated. Subsequent testing by those at CERN and those at other locations showed their original data was flawed.

As Einstein once said 'nature is subtle, but not malicious'. It is important to be very careful about all aspects of collecting and analyzing data. But, instead of the community ostracizing those at CERN, they rolled up their sleeves and attempted to understand what was going on. In this case, the data was flawed. It is possible that in the future Einstein will be shown wrong. That is how science works. Unlike religion, science actually questions the fundamentals of its subject and is willing to change beliefs based on evidence.
Religion does that.

It's just much slower about it.

It only took religion 300 years to admit Galileo was right. In another 150, maybe all of religion will admit Darwin was right.

Religion is the retarded stepchild of science.

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derek4 wrote:
Ho, ho, ho -
“Why Atheists Celebrate Christmas”
It's become a pagan holiday again. Christ has disappeared from it. To many, it's Xmas now.

Yes, Christmas has become a celebration of the winter solstice again. The entire house is decorated in honor of the Viking ice gods, including flocking, tinsel, Yule logs, Yule wreathes, mistletoe, poinsettias and Christmas lights, just like in Bethlehem.

And on the lawn we have sleighs, Rudolph the red nosed reindeer, Frosty the Snowman and the elves gathering around Santa’s workshop under the North Star. Incidentally, Rudolph is a Viking name just like Santa Klaus, and just like Donner and Blitzen, which mean thunder and lightning in German.

Even the carols about Jesus have been replaced by "Jingle Bells" and "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer."

It's no longer the desert holiday about baby Jesus, who seems to have been removed from it altogether, along with camels, sand, deserts, Joseph and Mary, the manger, and the Magi.

This could be the last time Jesus was seen. Perhaps this guy took him: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RwdH5DTKRas/SzTsWlN...

Anyway, out of my deep respect for the Christians who resent the phrase "Happy Holidays" because they don't want to be included with other traditions, I wish you all a Happy Winter Solstice, HumanLight, Festivus, Saturnalia, Zagmuk, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Soyal, Yalda, Korochun, Modresnach, Yule, or whatever else it is that you celebrate.

And yes, our appropriation of the holiday is complete. We will gather with friends on the twenty-fifth for turkey and wassail, and not think even once about your Jesus.

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derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>You're as easy to skip as a bad breath rotten mouth rodent lilke little Kitten, lol.

BUT, lol - when you brainless ones write a shortie, sometimes I'll be kind enough to stoop and answer you. LMAO.

Now, get up off your lazy rump and research something so you'll be informed, and I'll allow you to try to post something worthwhile if you can find it. You're just a big zero so far.

Oh yes, and to save my time, I'll use this post as a reminder to all the atheist and their religious atheist followers / adherents / cohorts: To whomever is giving me the “bad” judge marks (which are good to me)– keep up the great work, it reminds me you don't like my views, and that's just where I want to be with you, LMAO. I love it.
See above.

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derek4 wrote:
Who was worse, Hitler or Stalin?
Cults of personality are just secular religions with mortal gods. It's otherwise the same thing: authoritarian, terrorist, genocidal, and demands blind trust and obedience of its "indoctrinees."

From the Affirmations of Humanism:

"We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others."

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Yo, Dim - have you detected a trend in these last several posts? 7415 was taking spirituality from you. 7419 was retaking the winter celebration from you. And this one is returning Hitler and Stalin to you.

O hell, I'll say it anyway: Merry Xmas, Dim!

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polymath257 wrote:
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This episode was actually a very good example of how the scientific method works in practice. The people at CERN got some results that they could not explain and that would contradict a central notion of modern physics. So they published their results, asking for the comments of the rest of the physics community. In the process, it was discovered that the cables they were using affected their timing measurements in such a way that their conclusions would be negated. Subsequent testing by those at CERN and those at other locations showed their original data was flawed.
As Einstein once said 'nature is subtle, but not malicious'. It is important to be very careful about all aspects of collecting and analyzing data. But, instead of the community ostracizing those at CERN, they rolled up their sleeves and attempted to understand what was going on. In this case, the data was flawed. It is possible that in the future Einstein will be shown wrong. That is how science works. Unlike religion, science actually questions the fundamentals of its subject and is willing to change beliefs based on evidence.
And even though it was an honest mistake made in good faith, the leaders apparently felt that they had to fall on their swords:

"Faster-Than-Light' Neutrino Team Leaders Resign"
http://news.discovery.com/space/opera-leaders...

If only the religious had the same culture of truth.

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