Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Star Press.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7383 Dec 1, 2012
Khatru wrote:
I had no idea that Fossil Bob was a Christian. Nettie and Al I knew about. All three are nice people and a far cry from the frothing-at-the-mouth brigade we see in here.
I'm pretty sure about that, but not 100%

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#7384 Dec 1, 2012
Doctor Who Two wrote:
<quoted text>Uncle Fester!

Who's pulling your strings today you little maggot filled wooden headed Marinetti doll.
Marinetti doll?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#7385 Dec 1, 2012
Doctor Who Two wrote:
<quoted text>Don't feel the need to share that.
I really don't give a rats ass that you learned to use your scroll wheel or not.
Next you'll be share how you found the perfect way to wipe your ass. We don't care!
I fold.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7386 Dec 1, 2012
KJV wrote:
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"Darwin himself confessed that it was "absurd" to propose that the human eye evolved through spontaneous mutation and natural selection. "
Or
"It is rather hard to reply to a third objection. How was it possible for a complicated organ to come about suddenly even though it brought benefits with it? For instance, how did the lens, retina, optic nerve, and all the other parts in vertebrates that play a role in seeing suddenly come about? Because natural selection cannot choose separately between the visual nerve and the retina. The emergence of the lens has no meaning in the absence of a retina. The simultaneous development of all the structures for sight is unavoidable. Since parts that develop separately cannot be used, they will both be meaningless, and also perhaps disappear with time. At the same time, their development all together requires the coming together of unimaginably small probabilities."
Liar, stop quote mining.

“Think&Care”

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#7387 Dec 1, 2012
Doctor Who Two wrote:
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Neutrinos are not faster than light — why you should never doubt Einstein
By Elizabeth Flock, Published: FEBRUARY 23, 9:42 AM ET
Aa
Five months ago today, the scientific community was sent into a tailspin.
Albert Einstein.( AP )
Scientists at CERN, the world’s largest physics lab, announced a startling finding: Subatomic particles, called neutrinos, were found traveling faster than the speed of light. Albert Einstein, it seemed, should be rolling over in his grave. His theory of relativity could be dead.
Not so fast. On Wednesday the CERN team said they had made a mistake, Science Magazine reported. Something had gone wrong with the timing gear, and with the optical fiber connection. Neutrinos, they said, probably don’t travel faster than light, at 186,000-miles-per-second. Or at least they haven’t been able to prove it yet.
“Always check the cable before doubting Einstein,” Forbes wrote with glee Wednesday. Five other reasons you should never doubt the father of modern physics after the jump.
This episode was actually a very good example of how the scientific method works in practice. The people at CERN got some results that they could not explain and that would contradict a central notion of modern physics. So they published their results, asking for the comments of the rest of the physics community. In the process, it was discovered that the cables they were using affected their timing measurements in such a way that their conclusions would be negated. Subsequent testing by those at CERN and those at other locations showed their original data was flawed.

As Einstein once said 'nature is subtle, but not malicious'. It is important to be very careful about all aspects of collecting and analyzing data. But, instead of the community ostracizing those at CERN, they rolled up their sleeves and attempted to understand what was going on. In this case, the data was flawed. It is possible that in the future Einstein will be shown wrong. That is how science works. Unlike religion, science actually questions the fundamentals of its subject and is willing to change beliefs based on evidence.

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#7388 Dec 1, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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You're as easy to scroll past as blahblahblah.
You're as easy to skip as a bad breath rotten mouth rodent lilke little Kitten, lol.

BUT, lol - when you brainless ones write a shortie, sometimes I'll be kind enough to stoop and answer you. LMAO.

Now, get up off your lazy rump and research something so you'll be informed, and I'll allow you to try to post something worthwhile if you can find it. You're just a big zero so far.

Oh yes, and to save my time, I'll use this post as a reminder to all the atheist and their religious atheist followers / adherents / cohorts: To whomever is giving me the “bad” judge marks (which are good to me)– keep up the great work, it reminds me you don't like my views, and that's just where I want to be with you, LMAO. I love it.

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#7389 Dec 1, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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100% insane?
Yes, I guess you're right.
You're the insanity expert, so thanks for confirming your disability to us. Do they give you government assistance?

“You should know that being in the minority doesn't mean you're wrong. What percentage of the population did Noah and his family make up?"

[100%]

Since: Nov 11

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#7390 Dec 1, 2012
Doctor Who Two wrote:
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We should just call Khatru, Fester because he has no intent on debating as intelligent humans do he fits in as a festering boil more less. Just a pain in the back side that needs to be lanced off. What Dolt!
I don't take anything Khatru says seriously. I just reply to Khatru because he / she is just a big joke, lol. But, actually almost likeable, being so pathetically comical.

One reason atheists like these forums is because 8 or 10 of them band together and form a majority IN THE FORUM, since most Christians don't bother with them. Then they think they are the all around public majority, but they have such a mousy small voice outside of this forum, that no one listens to them – so in here, they think they are taking over and winning. It gives them that psychological boost.

I don't need a boost, I already know I'm on the winning team in the real world.

So ARE the atheists “winning”--- no, no, no, no, no..........they are losing.......losing........los ing......LMAO.

Since: Nov 11

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#7391 Dec 1, 2012
Doctor Who Two wrote:
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IANS?
WTFISANIANSLMFAO!
I've told the ignoramous, I do not read the red devil's posts for reasons that are known to him, and I have no need to explain it again to Khatru or the other airheads.

As Khatru knows, I didn't reply to the red devil OR Khatru either for a long time. When Khatru constantly points to how great some other poster is, what does that say about Khatru's posts?[hint: NOT MUCH!!!]

They are all jokes. How brainless can atheists be to sit there and type over and over something that says nothing? Yet, they do it all the time, lol.

However, the award for most stupid atheist in the forum goes to our little Kitten. She just smiles and practices her typing, but is off somewhere in the twilight zone......dead brain cell Kitten.....LMAO.

Since: Nov 11

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#7392 Dec 1, 2012
The Religion of Atheism

“... I want to take a look at the logic errors in religion of atheism. When I am contacted by an atheist, the first thing I do is to find out whether they are aware of the fact that it is impossible for science to prove that God does not exist. Most atheist are aware of this. At first, people thought that evolution proved that God cannot exist but creation scientists were more than glad to point out to us (I was still an evolutionist at that time) that the best evolution can do is to MAKE IT POSSIBLE for God to not exist. This is because the same God who can create life could just as easily evolved it. As a matter of fact, Christians who still believe in evolution believe this is what happened and increasing numbers of evolutionists are turning to this concept or simply converting to creation science.

Therefore, evolutionists were forced to admit that it is scientifically impossible to prove that God does not exist. Unfortunately, to keep creation scientists from a complete success, they added a lie to this truthful statement. They say that it is impossible to prove that God does not exist or that He does exist. I will cover the disproof for this lie later on this page.

The reason I do this is to find out whether the person is simply ignorant of this fact that it is impossible to prove that God does not exist or is simply being irrational. If the person is just ignorant of this fact, then I simply inform that person of the fact and explain it as much as necessary. I then leave that person to decide for himself whether to reconsider his belief in atheism or to stubbornly believe what he wants regardless of what science says. That is his choice.

If the person is aware of this fact, then they are telling me they are being irrational. This is because a logical and rational person only has two possible belief systems when they are aware that it is impossible to disprove the existence of God. The first is to remain open minded and undecided concerning the existence of God until it is possible to prove such a being could not exist which may be never. The other belief system is to believe that such a being does exist because of the evidence.”

continued:

http://hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/Atheism.htm

Since: Nov 11

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#7393 Dec 1, 2012
An Atheist Defends Religion: Why Humanity is Better Off with Religion Than Without It

“After hundreds of years, the time has come to admit that the debate about the existence of God can never be resolved to either side's satisfaction. But the discussion need not end there. We are still left with the important issue of the value of religion. And this is a debate that religion can win.

Bruce Sheiman's "An Atheist Defends Religion: Why Humanity is Better Off with Religion than without It" offers a distinctive response to the numerous books by unbelievers -- from the perspective of an unbeliever. But unlike other atheists who embrace their rejection of God as an intellectual triumph, Sheiman asserts that religion provides a combination of psychological, moral, communal, existential, aesthetic, and even physical-health benefits that no other institution can replicate.

"An Atheist Defends Religion" does not shy away from the controversial topics that ignite argument between atheists and people of faith, and takes on topics such as fundamentalist violence, militant atheism, faith and reason, and religion and science.

Sheiman ultimately redefines the core question of the debate: It is not whether God exists but whether the world is a better place because people believe God exists. This book makes a strong statement about the positive role of religion in the contemporary world, and what is lost in a purely secular conception of the world.”
http://www.amazon.com/Atheist-Defends-Religio...

Since: Nov 11

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#7394 Dec 1, 2012
Read more on:“An Atheist Defends Religion”

Author Bruce Sheiman approaches the debate between theists and atheists about whether God exists from a unique point of view.

He is a professed atheist who defends the right of religious people to have their faith. He touts the psychological and physical health benefit one may derive from placing hope and faith in their Creator.

Sheiman coined a term to differentiate himself as an atheist (one who doesn’t believe in God personally) to Richard Dawkins and his fan club as antitheists, meaning people with a militant atheistic agenda.

Antitheists not only reject God for themselves but actively campaign to eradicate faith in others. It’s good to know the difference. In a section of his book titled Scientific Materialism and Relativism, Sheiman writes,

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In the traditional evolutionary view, there is no difference between humans and animals, since both are driven by the same survival and gene replication imperatives. On the plus side, this may lead many people to respect all living creatures. On the negative side and in the extreme, this can lead to species relativism: the idea that humans are not the pinnacles of creation; we are no different from other creatures.(p41)

A little later Sheiman adds,

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…[b]ut the second implication is very disturbing. If humans are animals and our lives are not divinely inspired, the edifice of Judeo-Christian morality about the sanctity of human life is discredited. God is dead and we should recognize ourselves as Darwinian primates who enjoy no special status compared to other animals. Therefore, not only are abortion and euthanasia permissible, but so might be infanticide.(pg 42)”
http://www.examiner.com/review/an-atheist-def...

[So well said,“If humans are animals and our lives are not divinely inspired, the edifice of Judeo-Christian morality about the sanctity of human life is discredited. God is dead and we should recognize ourselves as Darwinian primates who enjoy no special status compared to other animals.”]

[Thanks, Mr. Sheiman.....teach the anti-theists in this forum for us.....LMAO]

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#7395 Dec 1, 2012
Faith, Hope, And Reason: An Atheist Defends Religious Belief (book by D K Johnston)

People have been arguing about the existence of God since medieval times. This book gives a detailed analysis of the arguments both for and against religious belief, including contemporary ones from creationists and the New Atheists. Special attention is given to Richard Dawkins' book "The God Delusion", and it's shown how his criticisms of religion fail to meet the basic conditions of logical coherence. Although a conclusive case for atheism can still be made [HIGHLY DEBATABLE, BUT LEAVING THAT IN THE TEXT HERE], this doesn't mean religious believers are irrational in affirming their faith.[RIGHT!!!!- NOR DO ATHEISTS HAVE THAT RIGHT, LOL.]

The author has taught philosophy, logic, and the history of science at universities and colleges for many years.
http://www.lulu.com/us/en/shop/dk-johnston/fa...

Since: Nov 11

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#7396 Dec 1, 2012
A PERSONAL FAVORITE – HMMM – THIS GUY IS OKAY!!!

An atheist defends Christian values

“I am an atheist and have been one for a loooong time. I was an atheist long before it became “hip” to be one. I hope that I am, nevertheless, a moral man – due in part to my early exposure to things like the Ten Commandments and due in part to being raised in a primarily Judeo-Christian society.

What disturbs me most about today’s America is the absolute hostility to religion – specifically Judaism and Christianity. I am not the type of atheist who feels the need to denigrate another man’s religion, or who feels the need to try to “prove” that God does not exist. These people are not simply atheist, they are “anti-theists,” and I hate those people.

[THAT DESCRIBES THE ATHEISTS IN THIS FORUM – THEY ARE NOT ATHEISTS, BUT ANTI-THEISTS.]

My atheism does not extend to this type of thinking. I am an atheist because I do not believe that there is a sentient supreme being – that’s all. I recognize the value of (most) religions. In the individual, it provides the great benefit of faith. In a society, religion is absolutely essential to provide a common foundation of ethics, morality, decency and LAW (regardless of Sandra Day O’Connor’s asinine position). I have never, until recently, had any problem with another man’s religious beliefs.(The recent exception is Islam.)

Recently I have noticed a tie between what the book of Revelation calls the Great Apostasy and the rise of communism in this nation.(I never call it socialism, because the goal is communism)

Thinking of Hillary Clinton’s Communist Health Care proposal, I become flabbergasted that so many cannot see it for what it is:“Robbing Peter to pay Paul.” One does not need an advanced lecture in economics to understand the flaw in this thinking; but it occurred to me that even a common-sense aphorism like “Robbing Peter to pay Paul” is unknown or not understood by so many in this country exactly because they refuse any type of exposure to anything with even the “flavor” of Judeo-Christian ethics. In fact, they usually oppose any and all morality and decency.

I just wanted to let you know that, at least in my case, atheism does not go hand in hand with hatred of religion. It does not go hand and hand with immorality. And, it does not go hand in hand with the insanity so prevalent among leftists in America.

I also wanted to say that, despite my atheism, I am as disturbed and frightened by the rampant spread of this “anti-theism” or “New Atheism” as most religious people are. To me it is more than just a sign of a lack of faith in God – as this would not disturb me – it is a lack of morality, ethical behavior, rational thought and, generally, saneness.

There is a line of thinking among many atheists (not myself) that religion is a “crutch” for silly or weak-minded individuals. I do not share that belief; but, for argument’s sake, let’s pretend for a moment that it is true that religion is a “crutch” for weak individuals. The type of “atheist” your Whistleblower describes are basically just wicked people who like to stand outside hospitals and kick the crutches out from under the injured. By their own argument and admission, they enjoy toppling the handicapped out of their wheelchair simply to make themselves feel superior to others. How sick is that?”
http://www.wnd.com/2007/10/43880/

[VERY WELL WRITTEN.]
KJV

United States

#7397 Dec 1, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Liar, stop quote mining.
You mean stop quoting people you make statements against atheist?

Like the father if your believe. "Darwin"

"Incontrovertible Proof Against Evolution

By David J. Stewart

Are you ready for the incontrovertible proof that Evolution is a big hoax? The fact of the matter is that evolutionists don't have as much as one single shred of evidence to support their bizarre claims. This fact alone is incontrovertible PROOF that evolution is the biggest educational big fraud ever fabricated.

Even Charles Darwin himself, unquestionably the father of Evolution, admitted that they had NO PROOF of the origin of the Species...

"A fair result can be obtained only by fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question..." -SOURCE: "My Life and Letters", Volume 1.

This is not done. Darwin and his Darwinist followers down to the present day, far from allowing a "fair result" to be "obtained" by "fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question," have in fact done their best (or worst!) to prevent "the facts and arguments on" the other side (i.e. creation/design) "of each question" from being fully stated"!

THE REASON WHY MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD IT ALL HAPPENED THAT WAY! In school it is presented as the only way.

Later in life Charles Darwin had grave doubts about his theory. Near the end of his life he said...

"Not one change of species into another is on record... we cannot prove that a single species has been changed."

SOURCE: "My Life and Letters", Volume 1.

Now 150 years later the situation is still the same! Think about it - despite 150 years of frantic searching, that missing link is still missing! Darwin is saying that there was no proof of his theory and there is none today.

What more proof do you need that Evolution is a BIG MYTH than the mere fact that there is NO EVIDENCE? I didn't say "proof," I said "evidence." Let alone trying to prove the theory of evolution, scientists cannot even bring forth any evidence to support their bogus theories. Oh, how foolish are darkened hearts of men. Does not Romans 1:21-22 perfectly describe evolutionists?... "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." They became fools! There is no more brilliant a group of idiots in the world today than the evolutionists.
KJV

United States

#7398 Dec 1, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Liar, stop quote mining.
Part 2

"For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old..." —2nd Peter 3:5


The Bizarre LIES of Evolutionists Today

According to Charles Darwin's own words, there is nothing "fair" about what is going on today in the public school system. Children are only being presented one side of the argument, as if it were a fact. But the problem of dishonest scientists (what the Bible calls "science falsely so called" in 1st Timothy 6:20) goes far beyond just the school children. I was recently watching an episode of Walt Disney's History Channel, titled THE UNIVERSE, in which they claim that the entire universe began with a "BIG BANG" 13.7 billion years ago. They claim that the whole universe today originated from a particle smaller than a single atom. I couldn't help but laugh. How could anyone be so naive as to believe such nonsense? They teach this garbage with such certainty, as if it's absolute truth. They are arrogant fools.

In his 1925 autobiography "Mein Kampf," Hitler – who actually did lie his country into war, and a whole lot more – explained with remarkable insight the fantastic power of lying:

… In the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes....

Evolution is the biggest lie ever fabricated. So big a lie in fact, that most people today believe it simply because they've heard it taught their whole life. Any objective thinker would have to quickly conclude, that it is utter lunacy for scientists to claim that the entire universe exploded from a single particle smaller than an atom. However, it makes perfect since to believe the Word of God, i.e., that Jesus Christ spoke the universe into existence by the power of His Word (John 1:1-3,14). I can believe the Biblical truth that God created the universe from nothing; BUT, I cannot accept the ignoramus notion that the whole universe exploded from a single particle smaller than an atom.
KJV

United States

#7399 Dec 1, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Liar, stop quote mining.
Part 3

If the universe did come from a single particle, then where did that particle come from? Hmmm? Evolutionists have NO ANSWER to this question. The best answer they can come up with are more theories to support their theories. Can something come from nothing? Not according to laws of thermodynamics, which state that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. There is a constant amount of energy in the universe. Every solid object around us is composed of energy. Energy driven Subatomic particles make up the atoms that compose the universe. God is amazing! No wonder that David said in Psalm 145:3... "Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised; and his greatness is UNSEARCHABLE." Scientists today are stumped concerning the greatness and complexities of this massive universe. It is so wonderful that we can just take God at His Word and know that He is the Divine Creator. I feel sorry for evolutionists, who frantically spend their entire lives searching for something that doesn't exist; namely, evolution. I am so glad that I'm a born-again Christian.

Conclusion

Evolutionists are liars! The very fact that evolutionists teach Darwinism as if it were a fact, reveals their blatant bias against the Word of God. Any honest scientist would have to conclude that evolution is nothing more than a delusional fantasy. The strongest proof against evolution rests in the fact that there is NO conclusive evidence to support it. Also, there is NO recorded history of civilization prior to 4000 B.C. Another compelling argument is that the men who authored the modern theories of evolution were atheists; thus, they automatically rejected God's Word.

Furthermore, if you are an adherent of Evolution, then you are in good company with Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler, who both embraced the godless and dehumanizing teachings of evolution...

Please read DEVILUTION!

If you repeat nonsense often enough for long enough, it becomes proven fact — It's a proven fact!

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ." —2nd Thessalonians 1:8"

Ye Must Be Born Again!


http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%2520...
KJV

United States

#7400 Dec 1, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>This episode was actually a very good example of how the scientific method works in practice. The people at CERN got some results that they could not explain and that would contradict a central notion of modern physics. So they published their results, asking for the comments of the rest of the physics community. In the process, it was discovered that the cables they were using affected their timing measurements in such a way that their conclusions would be negated. Subsequent testing by those at CERN and those at other locations showed their original data was flawed.

As Einstein once said 'nature is subtle, but not malicious'. It is important to be very careful about all aspects of collecting and analyzing data. But, instead of the community ostracizing those at CERN, they rolled up their sleeves and attempted to understand what was going on. In this case, the data was flawed. It is possible that in the future Einstein will be shown wrong. That is how science works. Unlike religion, science actually questions the fundamentals of its subject and is willing to change beliefs based on evidence.
Yes they found their errors and admitted they found the goof. And went back to work.

Evolutionist need to take a page from this. Evolution has never been proven (macro evolution) that is.
KJV

United States

#7401 Dec 1, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't take anything Khatru says seriously. I just reply to Khatru because he / she is just a big joke, lol. But, actually almost likeable, being so pathetically comical.

One reason atheists like these forums is because 8 or 10 of them band together and form a majority IN THE FORUM, since most Christians don't bother with them. Then they think they are the all around public majority, but they have such a mousy small voice outside of this forum, that no one listens to them – so in here, they think they are taking over and winning. It gives them that psychological boost.

I don't need a boost, I already know I'm on the winning team in the real world.

So ARE the atheists “winning”--- no, no, no, no, no..........they are losing.......losing........los ing......LMAO.
Yes but remember my last world wide survey show 2.04% are atheist that's down from the 2.3% from the year before. LOL

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#7402 Dec 1, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Yes they found their errors and admitted they found the goof. And went back to work.
Evolutionist need to take a page from this. Evolution has never been proven (macro evolution) that is.
The next time you are ill make certain to use only treatment produced by creation "science" else you are a hypocrite.

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