Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11176 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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#7265 Nov 29, 2012
Challenging Darwin's Myths

“It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that).”

–Richard Dawkins, prominent Oxford scientist and author

Ever since Darwin first published his theory of evolution, his defenders' favorite tactic against critics has been to attack their character and intelligence. Darwin himself used it against some of the greatest scientists of his day, accusing them of superstition and religious bias.

Now that Darwinism rules the scientific roost, such charges against dissenters are widespread. Not even schoolchildren are immune. Indeed, California's science education guidelines instructs teachers to tell dissenting students, "I understand that you may have personal reservations about accepting this scientific evidence, but it is scientific knowledge about which there is no reasonable doubt among scientists in this field..."

By today's rules, criticism of Darwinism is simply unscientific. The student who wishes to pursue such matters is told to "discuss the question further with his or her family and clergy."

But is Darwinism so obviously true that no honest person could doubt it? Are alternatives like "intelligent design" so unscientific that no reasonable person could embrace them?

The answer to both questions is a resounding no.

[WHY?- CONTINUED:]
http://www.arn.org/docs/dardoc1.htm
KJV

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#7266 Nov 29, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>No, just very disappointed. I had hoped for a better relationship with you.
Dude it was just a joke.
KJV

United States

#7267 Nov 29, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>No, I haven't. I don't launch gratuitous character attacks. Twice now you've alluded to fraud and hiding from the law. Mission accomplished.

KJV wrote, "The door was left wide open on the post before I couldn't help myself. "

Twice?

Don't worry about it. It sounds like it was inevitable.
No the second post was pointing out that Mexico would not be the place to go to if someone had commit fraud.
In other words I know you did go down there to hide. And again that joke was nothing compared with some of the very nasty joke you've partaken in about the God that I believe in.
KJV

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#7268 Nov 29, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>You're out of date on this one. You might try a little fact checking some time.
This was in response to dark matter vs dark energy. And if something was able to travel faster then light how could it be matter and not pure energy.

As far as fact checking for get it. I'm not submitting papers to be published I'm chatting on a chat board. I'll quote articles in reference to support what I'm talking about.
KJV

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#7269 Nov 29, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>You're whining again because you got caught, lol. And your mistake upset you so much that you even posted more later on about it, to try to cover yourself. I'll just reply to this one.

You're so predictable – there's nothing original about you. And I could have almost guessed the exact words you would use, and I knew for sure you would respond to that post. You fool no one, but you are indeed a fool, with egg all over your horrid face.

“You should know that being in the minority doesn't mean you're wrong. What percentage of the population did Noah and his family make up?”

LMAO
LMAO

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#7270 Nov 29, 2012
derek4 wrote:
But is Darwinism so obviously true that no honest person could doubt it? Are alternatives like "intelligent design" so unscientific that no reasonable person could embrace them?
The answer to both questions is a resounding yes.

Fixed it for you, spam bot.

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#7271 Nov 29, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
This was in response to dark matter vs dark energy. And if something was able to travel faster then light how could it be matter and not pure energy.
As far as fact checking for get it. I'm not submitting papers to be published I'm chatting on a chat board. I'll quote articles in reference to support what I'm talking about.
Seriously? You just indiscriminately scour the internet for anything,*anything* that supports your argument, and then you post it, regardless of whether or not it's true? No fact checking necessary?

The article you cited was in reference to a flawed experiment that was later retracted. That means nothing to you? So long as, at one time, it supported whatever point you are trying to make? It doesn't matter to you that it was questionable from the get go?

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#7272 Nov 29, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
This was in response to dark matter vs dark energy. And if something was able to travel faster then light how could it be matter and not pure energy.
As far as fact checking for get it. I'm not submitting papers to be published I'm chatting on a chat board. I'll quote articles in reference to support what I'm talking about.
This really illuminates how you think.

"The truth doesn't matter, only my truth matters." That's what I get from your comment.
KJV

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#7273 Nov 29, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Seriously? You just indiscriminately scour the internet for anything,*anything* that supports your argument, and then you post it, regardless of whether or not it's true? No fact checking necessary?

The article you cited was in reference to a flawed experiment that was later retracted. That means nothing to you? So long as, at one time, it supported whatever point you are trying to make? It doesn't matter to you that it was questionable from the get go?
Yes that was retracted however the same experiment was successful between Chicago and Sudan Minnesota. But no I don't spend hours checking the back ground of an article.
If I'm talking about something and need some backing up I google it and read it to find what I was looking for to backing up my memory of what I was taught in my years of education. I don't have all my classes recoded and I know long have my school books so I find what I'm look for on the web.

So you're going to sit there and claim you research each and every article you read. You really going to claim that?
KJV

United States

#7274 Nov 29, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>This really illuminates how you think.

"The truth doesn't matter, only my truth matters." That's what I get from your comment.
Your nuts. I was quoting Einstein who claimed anything traveling faster then light would be pure energy.

Wikipedia

Faster-than-light
"Faster than the speed of light" redirects here. For other uses, see Faster than the speed of light (disambiguation).
Faster-than-light (also superluminal or FTL) communications and travel refer to the propagation of information or matter faster than the speed of light. Under the special theory of relativity, a particle (that has rest mass) with subluminal velocity needs infinite energy to accelerate to the speed of light, although special relativity does not forbid the existence of particles that travel faster than light at all times (tachyons).

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#7275 Nov 29, 2012
KJV wrote:
You don't know how but you do know how not? Is that correct? You don't know how the universe started but you have done enough investigation to know how it could not have happened?
Yes. Some hypotheses can be ruled out.

With all of its scientific and historical errors of fat, its failed prophecies, unkept promises and self-contradictions, your bible cannot possibly be the word of a perfect and loving god that it claims to be. That means that it was written by exactly who it appears to have been written by - ancient men playing god - and that makes it mythology.

The universe evolved from a speck. Life evolved on earth from a common ancestral cell. The correct bible is the one that predicted these things, which is none of them.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#7276 Nov 29, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
City living is definitely a major mind shift from working a small horse ranch out in the middle of nowhere, but I've lived in big cities before. Spent the last 12 years breeding and training Paso Finos, it was time for a change.

And city life is fun once you get your head in the right frame of reference!

Like I said, out dance options are excellent. Wednesday night salsa & bachata ... Friday & Saturday local live jazz at any number of venues with cha-cha, rumba, jitterbug, etc. All within our "stagger zone" (the zone where it's easy to stagger home without needing to drive).

We even walk to the grocery store and have a subway line less than a block away. Sold all my cars & trucks but 1 and hardly ever even need that.
That sounds much better. Congratulations.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#7277 Nov 29, 2012
derek4 wrote:
And there is nothing carved in stone proving evolution – it's just a theory, surrounded by much objection and questionable science.
That is incorrect, Dim. The theory of evolution is now carved in stone.

There is no legitimate challenge to it, and no controversy - just an agenda driven disinformation campaign. Have you read the Wedge Document? It's a mission statement for the Discovery Institute announcing its intention to broadside science. It's literally a written statement of that antiscientific agenda that was leaked to the public.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#7278 Nov 29, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Great scientists from the past

C.S. Lewis showed the very strong connection between the development of modern scientific thought and the belief the scientists held in a Creator (Lawgiver).“Men become scientific because they expected law in nature and they expected law in nature because they believed in a lawgiver.”
Like the rest of your church, CS Lewis has no standing in the scientific debate.

Besides, even in his own field, Lewis was a hack. Check out this quotation from him:

“All I am in private life is a literary critic and historian, that’s my job ... And I’m prepared to say on that basis if anyone thinks the Gospels are either legends or novels, then that person is simply showing his incompetence as a literary critic."

Really? I mean, really?? Anybody who disagrees with him that a magical story is factual or not is incompetent as a literary critic? How arrogant is that?

First, I don't need to be a literary critic to determine that the bible is mythological. It's self-contradictory. Being familiar with the law of noncontradiction will suffice.

Second, the man is talking about a grossly subjective area - literary criticism. It is the verbal analog of art or movie criticism. There are no facts, just opinions. That comment from Lewis is tantamount to Leonard Malkin or Roger Ebert saying that anybody who doubts one of their judgments is incompetent to judge movies.

So, then - is this a man of judgment that I should respect, and whose opinions I should highly regard? No. That was a petulant and impetuous comment, not the words of a seasoned intellect. As I noted, Lewis was a hack with a religious agenda.

And after trying to pull rank as a critic and undermine the opinions of noncritics, now you offer his opinions on science, and even call him a great scientist? GTFOOH.

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#7279 Nov 29, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Your nuts. I was quoting Einstein who claimed anything traveling faster then light would be pure energy.
Wikipedia
Faster-than-light
"Faster than the speed of light" redirects here. For other uses, see Faster than the speed of light (disambiguation).
Faster-than-light (also superluminal or FTL) communications and travel refer to the propagation of information or matter faster than the speed of light. Under the special theory of relativity, a particle (that has rest mass) with subluminal velocity needs infinite energy to accelerate to the speed of light, although special relativity does not forbid the existence of particles that travel faster than light at all times (tachyons).
As far as fact checking for get it. I'm not submitting papers to be published I'm chatting on a chat board. I'll quote articles in reference to support what I'm talking about.

That's what I was respond to. Not your quote.

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#7280 Nov 29, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes that was retracted however the same experiment was successful between Chicago and Sudan Minnesota. But no I don't spend hours checking the back ground of an article.
If I'm talking about something and need some backing up I google it and read it to find what I was looking for to backing up my memory of what I was taught in my years of education. I don't have all my classes recoded and I know long have my school books so I find what I'm look for on the web.
So you're going to sit there and claim you research each and every article you read. You really going to claim that?
If I am trying to make an important point with it, yes. It opens me up to a lot of criticism if I post something that has been debunked a long time ago. Especially in the case of fantastic claims - like the faster than light neutrino in question - I would make doubly sure that my source was legit.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#7281 Nov 29, 2012
derek4 wrote:
[“Isaac Newton, Johann Kepler, Blasie Pascal, Galileo, Michael Faraday, Samuel Morse, George Washington Carver, Gregor Mendel and Louis Pasteur were all scientists who believed in the Biblical Theory of Evolution.” And there are many other scientists, as well, who do not accept the godless theory of Darwin.]
Samuel Morse LOL. He's an inventor. Where's Ron "Set it and forget it" Popeil's name? What's his opinion of evolution?


You make the case for modern science and naturalism by presenting this list of fossils to contradict it. The great scientists of this century like Hawking and Venter disagree. They know more.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#7282 Nov 30, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“Isaac Newton [and] Gregor Mendel ... were all scientists who believed in the Biblical Theory of Evolution.”
There is no biblical theory of evolution. There is just a debunked creation myth.
derek4 wrote:
Re-posting:

There are several cases of scientific misconduct that has hit the media since the 1980’s ...Take a look at these examples:

"Isaac Newton may have adjusted calculations to fit observations."

"Gregor Mendel's results with pea plants were cleaner than what is observed experimentally, indicating that he might have changed the data."
What is wrong with you, Dim? Do you even read this bilge water that you fetch for us?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#7283 Nov 30, 2012
KJV wrote:
Dude it was just a joke.
No it wasn't. It was a cheap personal shot. And you repeated it for emphasis.

Don't sweat it. Unfortunately, I'm used to it. You are what you are. I'm just disappointed.

I really detest your church, and this is one of the many reasons why. I hate what it does to people. It doesn't care about you or me, just itself. It has somehow recruited you in its defense, and you have dutifully played your part. So be it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#7284 Nov 30, 2012
KJV wrote:
In other words I know you did go down there to hide.
How would you know that even if it were the case? Is this also a joke?

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