Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7144 Nov 28, 2012
derek4 wrote:
I've come to realize that, if we really want to build a secular and enlightened society, speech is not enough. It's even more important that we offer material support - our money and our time - to organizations that do good by advancing the values that atheists hold dear.
Nonsense. I don't do charity to advance atheism. And speech is indeed enough to accomplish that goal, which is what I offer here, in my local freethinkers club meetings, in local publications, and in conversation.
derek4 wrote:
We don't have to copy the example of the churches that demand an astonishing 10% of their members' income, but I think every atheist who can afford it should donate at least a few percent to groups working to uphold the causes that make this world better. Call it a secular tithe."
What does that have to do with atheism?

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7145 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
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There are black holes through out our galaxy yet alone the universe. And everything known about them to science and the law of our universe prohibits them from just one day start to slowly expand and recreate everything sucked into them.
That's incorrect. Black holes evaporate. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiatio... :

"Hawking radiation reduces the mass and the energy of the black hole and is therefore also known as black hole evaporation. Because of this, black holes that lose more mass than they gain through other means are expected to shrink and ultimately vanish"

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7146 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
Well if he was hiding he would. Lots of Medicare fraud you know.
And we were doing so well until now. You had to make it personal, didn't you? You had to take a cheap shot. You realize that that opens the door both ways, don't you?

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7147 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Oh I see Merriam - Webster is now my private definition book? LOL
No, fool, it isn't.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7148 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
God gave you a brain to use. Use all of if.
Your god is a mythological creature. Grow up.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7149 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck, ForMemRS[1](April 23, 1858 – October 4, 1947) was a German theoretical physicist who originated quantum theory, which won him the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1918.[2]
Planck made many contributions to theoretical physics, but his fame rests primarily on his role as originator of the quantum theory. This theory revolutionized human understanding of atomic and subatomic processes, just as Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity revolutionized the understanding of space and time. Together they constitute the fundamental theories of 20th-century physics. Both have led humanity to revise some of its most cherished philosophical beliefs, and have brought about industrial and military applications that affect many aspects of modern life.
Why bore me with this? Did you have a point?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7150 Nov 28, 2012
derek4 wrote:
"Max Planck is universally recognized as the father of modern physics"
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Nonsense. That's Einstein:

[1] From "The father of modern physics" at http://www.mathscareers.org.uk/viewItem.cfm... "Today Einstein is considered the father of modern physics."
[2] From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein "Einstein is often regarded as the father of modern physics and the most influential physicist of the 20th century."
[3] "Why is Einstein considered the father of modern physics?" curiosity.discovery.com/question/why-einstein...
[4] "Albert Einstein is called the father of modern physics. He was the one who came up with most of the concepts of modern physics"
http://physics.tutorvista.com/modern-physics....
polymath257 wrote:
Planck certainly has an honorable role as the inventor of the idea of the quantum.
Yes, I know. I already acknowledged that.
polymath257 wrote:
That it was developed fully by others doesn't change the fact that he originated it.
Yes, thank you. I am aware of that as well. I'm not sure what your point is.
polymath257 wrote:
Of course, it was Einstein, Bohr, Schrodinger, and others that really brought it to fruition (and modified it greatly from what Planck proposed).
Yes, I also know that, and noted as much.

I'm not sure why you're telling me, though. Is your comment related to Dim's claim that Planck was the father of modern physics, or to my rebuttal to it naming Einstein instead?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7151 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
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cdms.berkeley.edu/Jan 5, 2009 – Dark matter constitutes approximately a quarter of all matter ... matter and energy in the universe is referred to as dark energy.... at the Soudan Underground Laboratory in Minnesota where in it ...
Dark matter some of which is light is not matter at all.
Dark matter attracts and works on an individual bases while Dark matter repels but only seems to work as a whole (entire universe all at once) entity
Sudan does deal in some dark energy experiment. And I was told was expanding to run 2 or 3 labs for dark energy.
This is incoherent. You really need to stifle about science.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7152 Nov 28, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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The free will God gave you was to accept him and go to heaven or choose Satan and go to hell, which is reserved for the Devil and his followers. Only a fool would choose the latter
Only a fool would believe either, Dim.
derek4 wrote:
God is perfection and will not allow sin into heaven. He is the Creator, and that is his right. Your opinion of his plan is irrelevant to God.
Your fables about sky pixies are irrelevant.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7153 Nov 28, 2012
derek4 wrote:
" What percentage of the population did Noah and his family make up?”
None. Noah was a mythological character as well.

And what a hare-brained myth it is. Your god allegedly drowned nearly the earth in order to start his project over. Hardly a surgical strike, he managed to nearly kill all of the vegetation, fish, birds, and terrestrial animals as well. That's pretty bad work, but not the worst part of it.

Unfortunately, instead of completely sterilizing the earth, starting fresh, and creating a race of sinless creatures that knew him intuitively, your god is said to have used the same breeding stock!

Worse, his exemplar of perfection was the drunk Noah. Not surprisingly, your god wound up with more of the same kind of people that he had just murdered.

Why don't you worship that for both of us. I have better things to do with my life.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#7154 Nov 28, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Opposition to evolution
Irrelevant. The issue is decided. The theory is confirmed. Move on if you can.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7155 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
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LMAO
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LOL
I see you still have problems accepting that according to the Bible, the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter is three.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7156 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Do you know The theory of angular momentum?
If you did you would not need to post this dribble.
Actually, I'm not familiar with it.

Why don't you explain it to me and then tell me why planets are spinning the "wrong way"?

Once you've done that, please explain what the "right way" for a planet to spin is.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7157 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Yes there are. But the fact is a black hole has never started to expand slowly
As your Big Bang singularity theory states. And the claim that the laws of physics did not take affect until science says is bull. Science cannot turn on and off the laws of the universe.
Ramble on

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7158 Nov 28, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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A bit of both. Dark matter keeps its density upon expansion. When you put that property into the laws of gravity, you get accelerating expansion.
Thanks, I'll remember that.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7159 Nov 28, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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Well, the goal is to find laws that *do* apply. What we know is that general relativity has to be modified to encompass the quantum aspects and we don't know how to do that.
I wonder whether CERN will come up with some new explanations.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7160 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
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There is an unknown dark matter that repels science believes. Because they can't find any reason for the universe to be expanding at an increasing rate.
That dark matter is not fact it is a guess and science in now in search of that dark matter. However even if that dark matter exist ( I think it does ) it cannot break apart a singularity in the middle of a black hole.
Can't it? How do you know this?

I'd say that dark matter/energy are provisional hypotheses to explain real phenomena. Unlike your failed god hypothesis, no-one is required to believe them.

If someone comes up with a better hypothesis based on further observations, they could be heaved out of the door. When does anything analogous ever happen in religion?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#7161 Nov 28, 2012
London train is arriving - be back later!

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7162 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
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The glossary of my college introductory biology text,...
That's a couple of massive posts for you to just display your complete and total lack of comprehension on the topic of linguistic patterns used within the scientific community.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7163 Nov 28, 2012
KJV, Oxford:

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/engl...

Added just a few years ago, I remember the day fondly, I love that word. When a word is used, by anyone, it gets added to the dictionaries eventually, because that's what they do.

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