Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“Think&Care”

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#7124 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Oh different types of singularity!
"According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know. "
But we know this was a different type of singularity? LOL
Yes, we do. The singularity of a black hole is a stable one: it is time invariant. The singularity of the Big Bang, however, is *space* invariant: it is the same for all locations of space. Schwarzchild solution for black holes, Friedman solution for the Big Bang.

“Think&Care”

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#7125 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
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I'm quite familiar with dark matter.
The Soudan Underground Laboratory is the leading deep underground science and engineering laboratory in the United States today. Scientists from around the world have been working at Soudan for 25 years trying to answer basic questions about the Universe in which we live: Is matter completely stable? What is the nature of the fundamental forces? Can we identify the Dark Matter that seems to permeate our Universe?
Yes, Soudan is studying dark *matter*, not dark *energy*. Very different things with, unfortunately, similar names. Lots of good stuff about neutrinos from there also.
KJV

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#7126 Nov 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>I am not Hiding, I am Aerobatty.

Hey KK I found that post here it is. LOL
KJV

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#7127 Nov 28, 2012
12 year old leads atheist mother to Christ.

THIS BINARY CHILD PRODIGY PAINTED HER VISIONS OF HEAVEN AND BROUGHT HER ATHEIST MOTHER TO CHRIST

http://www.shangralafamilyfun.com/prodigy.htm...
KJV

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#7128 Nov 28, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, Soudan is studying dark *matter*, not dark *energy*. Very different things with, unfortunately, similar names. Lots of good stuff about neutrinos from there also.
neutrinos, which are light, fast, and plentiful

Not really matter is it?

Last I heard light was energy although its not the dark energy we are talking about. they do deal with dark energy as part of dark matter.
Last I head they were expanding to dark energy also.

Two parts of the lab.

MINOS is the Main Injector Neutrino Oscillation Search: "Main Injector" for the Fermilab accelerator, and "Oscillation Search" for the theory that links neutrino mass to oscillations. In Greek mythology Minos was the son of Zeus and Europa, King of Crete, and builder of the labyrinth.

What's Next Door?
The other cavern is the original Soudan 2 Laboratory. The Soudan 2 detector is about the same size as the MINOS Near Detector (1,000 tons) and is also built primarily of steel, but employs a different (gas-based) detector technology. Soudan 2 was built to test the ultimate stability of matter by looking for proton decay, and operated between 1989 and 2001. While proton decay has not yet been observed, Soudan 2 contributed to the initial evidence for neutrino oscillations on which MINOS is based.

What's CDMS II?
The Soudan 2 cavern also houses the Cryogenic Dark Matter Search (CDMS II). This experiment looks for the main component of dark matter, which may be in the form of WIMPs (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles). In contrast to neutrinos, which are light, fast, and plentiful, WIMPs would be heavy, slow, and less common, and could be even more difficult to detect.
How does CDMS II work?
The CDMS II detectors are hockey puck-sized disks of silicon and germanium. A special cryogenic apparatus cools them to less than a hundredth of a degree above absolute zero (-460 F, the coldest place in Minnesota!). A WIMP passing through would deposit only a tiny amount of energy in the detector, but it should be enough to raise its temperature very slightly. The detector signals are carefully recorded and analyzed by computers to distinguish trueWIMP signals from random noise. Despite being under a half mile of rock, scientists also use intricate shielding, carefully selected materials, and a special clean room to further reduce unwanted signals.
KJV

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#7129 Nov 28, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, Soudan is studying dark *matter*, not dark *energy*. Very different things with, unfortunately, similar names. Lots of good stuff about neutrinos from there also.
cdms.berkeley.edu/Jan 5, 2009 – Dark matter constitutes approximately a quarter of all matter ... matter and energy in the universe is referred to as dark energy.... at the Soudan Underground Laboratory in Minnesota where in it ...

Dark matter some of which is light is not matter at all.

Dark matter attracts and works on an individual bases while Dark matter repels but only seems to work as a whole (entire universe all at once) entity

Sudan does deal in some dark energy experiment. And I was told was expanding to run 2 or 3 labs for dark energy.

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#7130 Nov 28, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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Your god may not have wanted robots but humanity has paid a terrible price for what he didn't want.
If Christians are right and we were given free will, it certainly doesn't look like it was for our benefit. Rather, it was probably to please our creator with spontaneous outbursts of unconditional love.
Maybe God should have programmed us. Then he'd get our unconditional love and what's more he would have avoided all the needless excess baggage of death, destruction and suffering that comes with free will. So it certainly looks like God's enjoyment of the love he receives from a minority of humanity comes with a terrible cost.
The free will God gave you was to accept him and go to heaven or choose Satan and go to hell, which is reserved for the Devil and his followers. Only a fool would choose the latter, but those are the only choices, since God is perfection and will not allow sin into heaven. He is the Creator, and that is his right. Your opinion of his plan is irrelevant to God.

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#7131 Nov 28, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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Funny how you revert to a proven lie.
Langoliers may have said what he said about Noah's family, but like your posts, it was a lie.
Langoliers believes that millions of people survived the flood.
Langloiers has nothing to do with what YOU posted, so the only lie here is all yours, since you're trying to deny your own post. This is exactly what you wrote,““You should know that being in the minority doesn't mean you're wrong. What percentage of the population did Noah and his family make up?”

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#7132 Nov 28, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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What do you know about education?
What do I know about education? I know that I have it, and you don't, lol.

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#7133 Nov 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yet, Mendel himself, and his work, helped to refine the theory of evolution. Your "source," and you, fail to mention that.
You're wrong, and you're lying, just as you always do. It's the rodent in you coming out.

And just a reminder to everyone, if you have any concerns about the content of web page material, you need to contact the publisher, since I have no interest in your objections.

Why don't you get rid of your horrible picture? You look sick. No avatar at all would be better than having to see your tired fish-belly white face every day. Yuck.

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#7134 Nov 28, 2012
Georges Cuvier (1769 – 1832)

“French naturalist and zoologist. Cuvier was a major figure in natural sciences research in the early 19th century, and was instrumental in establishing the fields of comparative anatomy and paleontology through his work in comparing living animals with fossils.”

Opposition to evolution

“He repeatedly emphasized that his extensive experience with fossil material indicated that one fossil form does not, as a rule, gradually change into a succeeding, distinct fossil form (see below). It is because of this fact and his understanding of animal anatomy and physiology, that Cuvier strongly objected to any notion of evolution. According to the University of California Museum of Paleontology (UCMP), "Cuvier did not believe in organic evolution, for any change in an organism's anatomy would have rendered it unable to survive. He studied the mummified cats and ibises that Geoffroy had brought back from Napoleon's invasion of Egypt, and showed that they were no different from their living counterparts; Cuvier used this to support his claim that life forms did not evolve over time."

He also observed that Napoleon's expedition to Egypt had retrieved animals mummified thousands of years previously that seemed no different from their modern counterparts. "Certainly", Cuvier wrote, "one cannot detect any greater difference between these creatures and those we see, than between the human mummies and the skeletons of present-day men." Lamarck dismissed this conclusion, arguing that evolution happened much too slowly to be observed over just a few thousand years. Cuvier, however, in turn criticized how Lamarck and other naturalists conveniently introduced hundreds of thousands of years "with a stroke of a pen" to uphold their theory. Instead, he argued that one can judge what a long time would produce only by multiplying what a lesser time produces. Since a lesser time produced no organic changes, neither, probably, would a much longer time.

Cuvier was critical of the evolutionary theories proposed by his contemporaries Lamarck and Geoffroy Saint-Hilaire, which involved the gradual transmutation of one form into another. He repeatedly emphasized that his extensive experience with fossil material indicated that one fossil form does not, as a rule, gradually change into a succeeding, distinct fossil form. Instead, he said, the typical form makes an abrupt appearance in the fossil record, and persists unchanged to the time of its extinction.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Cuvier

[“Cuvier strongly objected to any notion of evolution.”]

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#7135 Nov 28, 2012
Jean Louis Rodolphe Agassiz (1807 – 1873)

“Swiss paleontologist, glaciologist, geologist and a prominent innovator in the study of the Earth's natural history. He grew up in Switzerland and became a professor of natural history at University of Neuchâtel. Later, he accepted a professorship at Harvard University in the United States.”

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“Agassiz is remembered today for his theories on ice ages, and for his resistance to Charles Darwin's theories on evolution, which he kept up his entire life.”

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“Agassiz opposed monogenism and evolution, he claimed that the theory of evolution reduced the wisdom of God to an impersonal materialism. Species in their natures and geographical distribution, are direct expressions of the intelligence and will of God not the results of blind chance. Agassiz believed evolution was an insult to the wisdom and will of God.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Agassiz

[At least there was SOME credible peer-review at work to check Darwin, lol.]

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#7136 Nov 28, 2012
Louis Agassiz: Anti-Darwinist Harvard Paleontology Professor

“... regarded as one of the greatest scientists of the 19th century. A founding father of the modern American scientific establishment, Agassiz was also a lifelong opponent of Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution. Agassiz “ruled in professorial majesty at Harvard’s Museum of Comparative Zoology.”

[He] was a brilliant….man, an essentialist who detested evolutionism—Darwin’s brand in particular—and clung to a vision of well-ordered nature assembled by special creations. The zoology of Agassiz was consonant with the natural theology of William Paley.

Agassiz wrote that “evidence of the existence of a Creator, constantly and thoughtfully working among the complicated structures that He has made” is found throughout the natural world. He concluded that in the living world “is clearly seen the intervention of an intelligent Creator” and that when we evaluate the living world we can see “the mental operations of the Creator at every step.”

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“Agassiz concluded from his lifelong study of nature that purpose and design were manifested everywhere in nature. He noted that if it required an intelligent mind just to study the facts of biology,“it must have required an intelligent mind to establish them.” Following his famous teacher Cuvier, he asserted that the major groups of animals do not represent ancestral branches of a hypothetical evolutionary tree but, instead, document a great plan that was used by the Creator to design the many different species in existence today.

Already an eminent scientist while still a young man, Agassiz came to the United States in 1848 to accept a professorship at Harvard. In 1860, Agassiz founded the Museum of Comparative Zoology at Harvard, later to be headed by Stephen Jay Gould. His studies of “fishes, both living and fossil, were definitive, and have never been equaled.” Agassiz and his colleagues also founded The National Academy of Sciences in 1863.

His many students influenced science for decades after his death. Stanford professor-scientist David Starr Jordan noted that “of the older teachers in America—the men who were born between 1830 and 1850—nearly all who have reached eminence have been at one time or another pupils of Agassiz.”

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“Agassiz saw the divine plan of God omnipresent in nature, and could not accept a theory that denied the intelligent design he saw everywhere in the natural world. Agassiz even once defined a species as “a thought of God.” As Agassiz wrote in his Essay on Classification, his lifelong study of the natural world eloquently documented the “premeditation, power, wisdom, greatness, prescience, omniscience, providence” of God. He declared that “all these facts in their natural connection proclaim aloud the One God, whom man may know, adore, and love; and Natural History must in good time become the analysis of the thoughts of the Creator of the Universe.”

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Long before the mutational theory of evolution was popularized, Agassiz foresaw the overwhelmingly harmful nature of mutations and the inability of “selection” to produce new life forms. He recognized that the problem with Darwinism was not the survival of the fittest, but rather the arrival of the fittest. Agassiz knew, as did most all animal and plant breeders both then and today, that clear limits exist to variation and no known way exists to go beyond these limits in spite of 4,000 years of trying.

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“Two years after Origin was published, Agassiz wrote that Darwin’s theory was scientifically wrong and was “propounded by some very learned but…rather fanciful scientific men” who taught that the forms of life presently inhabiting our earth “had grown out of a comparative simple and small beginning.”
http://www.icr.org/article/louis-agassiz-anti...

[“Agassiz wrote that Darwin’s theory was scientifically wrong.” Thank you Agassiz.]

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#7137 Nov 28, 2012
From Northern Arizona University:

Jean Louis Rodolphe Agassiz

“(May 28, 1807 – December 14, 1873) was a Swiss-born American zoologist, glaciologist, and geologist. Also the husband of educator Elizabeth Cabot Cary Agassiz, he was one of the first world-class American scientists. His is a prominent name in Northern Arizona; one of the San Francisco Peaks and one of Flagstaff’s downtown streets are named for Louis Agassiz.

The College of Engineering, Forestry and Natural Sciences is now accepting submissions for the Louis Agassiz Prize for Excellence in Writing.”

[Agassiz -“one of the first world-class American scientists.” Thank you, Northern Arizona University - a fine school.]

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#7138 Nov 28, 2012
“Louis Agassiz: A Life in Science”

“A giant of nineteenth-century natural history study, Louis Agassiz made major contributions to modern knowledge of geology, paleontology, and zoology. Agassiz's fame in America was largely as a popularizer of natural history and teacher of advanced students. Founding the Museum of Comparative Zoology at Harvard was his lasting teaching and research achievement, and the Smithsonian Institution and National Academy of Sciences benefited from his impulse to professionalize science. A life-long opponent of the theory of evolution. Agassiz affirmed the magnificence of God's plan to all who would "study nature, not books".
http://www.amazon.com/Louis-Agassiz-A-Life-Sc...

[“teacher of advanced students.”]

[“Agassiz affirmed the magnificence of God's plan...”]

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#7139 Nov 28, 2012
“James Clerk Maxwell (1831 – 1879) was a Scottish physicist who formulated Electromagnetic Theory.”

“Almighty God, Who has created man in Thine own image, and made him a living soul that he might seek after Thee, and have dominion over Thy creatures, teach us to study the works of Thy hands, that we may subdue the earth to our use, and strengthen the reason for Thy service; so to receive Thy blessed Word, that we may believe on Him Who Thou has sent, to give us the knowledge of salvation and the remission of our sins. All of which we ask in the name of the same Jesus Christ, our Lord.”
... James Clerk Maxwell, a prayer of his found among his papers as cited by E.L. Williams and G. Mulfinger in their work, Physical Science for Christian Schools (1974)

“No theory of evolution can be formed to account for the similarity of molecules, for evolution necessarily implies continuous change … The exact equality of each molecule to all others of the same kind gives it … the essential character of a manufactured article, and precludes the idea of its being eternal and self-existent.”
... James Clerk Maxwell, Discourse on Molecules, a paper presented to the British Association at Bradford (1873)
http://www.christianevidences.org/relevant-pi...

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#7140 Nov 28, 2012
James Clerk Maxwell Quote:

“Through the creatures Thou hast made Show the brightness of Thy glory. Be eternal truth displayed In their substance transitory. Till green earth and ocean hoary, Massy rock and tender blade, Tell the same unending story: We are truth in form arrayed. Teach me thus Thy works to read, That my faith, new strength accruing “ May from world to world proceed, Wisdom's fruitful search pursuing Till, thy truth my mind imbuing, I proclaim the eternal Creed. Oft the glorious theme renewing, God our Lord is God indeed.”

James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879), Scottish physicist, widely considered by twentieth and twenty-first century physicists to have been one of the most significant figures of the nineteenth century. His work fundamentally changed conceptions of electromagnetism and introduced the basis of field theory. He is also known for his work on thermodynamics and the kinetic theory of gases.
http://www.blogorithm.com/archives/2004/04/ja...

[Maxwell:“God our Lord is God indeed.” Thank you James Maxwell.]

[Maxwell: brilliant scientist]
KJV

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#7141 Nov 28, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>Langloiers has nothing to do with what YOU posted, so the only lie here is all yours, since you're trying to deny your own post. This is exactly what you wrote,““You should know that being in the minority doesn't mean you're wrong. What percentage of the population did Noah and his family make up?”
Khatru:

Langoliers does not believe anyone survived the flood other then those on the ark. And when he gets back from New York cleaning up fiber networks after the hurricane he'll be happy to straighten you out on that

Derek can you believe these idiots?

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#7142 Nov 28, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Khatru:
Langoliers does not believe anyone survived the flood other then those on the ark. And when he gets back from New York cleaning up fiber networks after the hurricane he'll be happy to straighten you out on that
Derek can you believe these idiots?
Right. And they intentionally have short term memories when it suits them, and like Khatru, try to deny their OWN posts, lol. That's how they think they "win", but that's how they prove to us they're true losers and liars. So that's why I don't bother answering 90% of what they post.

There is not one credible atheist in the forum.

Keep up your great work, KJV.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#7143 Nov 28, 2012
derek4 wrote:
"Atheists, let me ask you - do you tithe?"
No. That's for the superstitious.
derek4 wrote:
"No? Why not?“Daylight Atheism” says you should tithe"
I decided to keep my income, retire early with it instead, and to leave some to my children. Let the parasitic priests find gainful employment of their own and feed their own children.
derek4 wrote:
“How much money do you give away each year?"
That's my business. How often do you fcuk your wife?

Besides, adding up how much you gave away is not a measure of your charity for two reasons. You don't know how the money was spent and on what, and it neglects charitable service.

For example, I give bridge lessons every Sunday at no charge. And I'm taking a man to the pharmacy later today to help him select an antidepressant. Service is a better gift, especially medical service in my case, and web sites in the case of my wife, who designs and maintains websites, a gift she gives for free to a few local charities.

Even when we give money, it's seldom just handing it to somebody except in the case of overtipping, which we do just to spread it around a little, and the 200 pesos a month that goes to one of the animal shelter. But we know and trust both women that do this not to do what your priests do with it - pocket it.

Right now, Mrs. Aint and I are discussing my idea to put up four more solar panels and give more clean power to the city. Presently, we generate just slightly more than we consume with eight panels. Four more would cost us about $1800 (installed) and would generate another 4 KWHs of power a day, which would all go to the power company for free. I think it would be a great gift, but she's a little reluctant yet. She'll come over eventually.

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