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No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#6439 Nov 22, 2012
Khatru wrote:
What goes
Clip Clop Clip Clop Clip Clop Clip Clop
Clip Clop Clip Clop Clip Clop Clip Clop
Bang! Bang!
Clip Clop Clip Clop Clip Clop Clip Clop
Clip Clop Clip Clop Clip Clop Clip Clop?

Amish drive-by shooting.
Funny.

TOP AMISH HORROR MOVIES OF ALL TIME

[9] Barnraiser
[8] Holler "M" for Murder
[7] I Quilt On Your Grave
[6] The Bare Wrist Project (Oops! That's an Amish *porn* movie.)
[5] The Hand That Churns the Butter
[4] Invasion of the Bonnet Snatchers
[3] Dude, Where's My Buggy?
[2] The Shunning

and the Number 1 Amish Horror Movie...

[1] The Pennsylvania Handsaw Massacre

Adapted from TopFiveDOTcom (now defunct)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#6440 Nov 22, 2012
KJV wrote:
"Now the Hebrews were not an especially technological society; when Solomon built his Temple he had to hire Phoenecian artisans for the really technical work. So the author of this passage may not have known the exact value of pi, or thought his readers might not be aware that specifying the diameter of a circle automatically specifies its circumference. In any case, the essential point was the impressive size of the cauldron, and its dimensions were only approximate, because the ratio of the circumference to the diameter is stated to be EXACTLY 3! rather than the real value of pi which is 3.14159...."

What how could this be? The bible said to build it ratio of the circumference to the diameter to 3 and son of a gun it is 3 and not Pi.
Hmmm maybe God didn't want to use Pi?
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/pibible.h...
Dude. Your link criticizes and debunks your bible. You didn't understand it, did you? You didn't even look at the name of the link. What do you think that "pseudosc" is short for?

If you understood your bible, you would reject it, just as had you understood your link, you wouldn't have cited it here. They were mocking you. You noted that the author wrote, "maybe God didn't want to use Pi" as if it were an arbitrary choice? Did you see the paragraph about the Iowa legislature trying to declare pi equal to three? Do you think that the author was admiring the Iowan legislature or mocking them? Similarly, do you think he was admiring your bible or mocking it?

Why does this keep happening to you and Dim Derek? Is it a coincidence that the two of you, who have difficulty comprehending the written word are Christians, and that the guy who realizes what a blunder you made even before he opens your link just by reading the URL has rejected what you have chosen to believe?

No, it's not.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#6441 Nov 22, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>
why my comment was sent to a “sick” person [Khatru]
I missed his post. But I guess you may have taken his comment out of context. Or maybe just using an off the cuff remark to beat him with. As I say, you are a false christian.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#6442 Nov 22, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
It's no longer their holiday. The pagans have already reclaimed it and turned into a secular holiday.
..They just join us in putting up holly wreaths, hanging mistletoe, decorating trees and homes in lights, and exchanging gift before a burning yule log in honor of the winter solstice.
Good isnt it :) I like christmas even more now!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#6443 Nov 22, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Your post is false, doesn't match Bible teaching. Subject closed, lol.
Your bible is false. It doesn't match the universe. Subject ever open to falsification. COMTUESS (Corner of mouth turns up ever so slightly)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#6444 Nov 22, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't need your okay to say anything, lol. Darwin brought us fraudulent science and Khatru religiously accepts it.
Why aren't you fighting the geologists that say that the earth is spherical? They contradict your bible just as much as Darwin.

They also say that the continents and mountain chains arose through plate tectonics, which contradicts your creation story as much as Darwin.

Or the cosmologists, who say that the universe began expanding about 13.75 billion years ago. They debunk your bible as much as Darwin.

Why just Darwin?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#6445 Nov 22, 2012
derek4 wrote:
You're so intelligent, but you don't know how to find a scripture? It's elementary, lmao. I've included a link for you.
http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2008/08...
FAIL. You still haven't provided a scripture describing the earth as a sphere, ball or globe - just a circle.

You can't convince anybody with such an argument. Only people who want to believe the bible would accept it, which is why I have said repeatedly that your apologetics is really meant for the few of you who require at least specious argumentation. Most of you seem to be content believing even overtly irrational things.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#6446 Nov 22, 2012
derek4 wrote:
No, I don't “fail” to refute you, lmao. Many of your posts and others I simply don't read, and I consistently refuse to waste my time on more than 3 or 4 of atheists' gibberish posts.
Yo, Dim. There's the comprehension problem again. Did you refute him? No, Dim, you didn't. You didn't even try. Therefore, you failed to refute him, just as when you don't show up for work, you failed to show up for work.

This is why I call you Dim.
derek4 wrote:
It wouldn't matter what anyone said who is on the opposite side of you, you wouldn't accept it if they said black was black and white was white
That's you, Dim. You've proudly announced several times that you have no interest in anybody's opinion but your own, and that you won't even read most of it.
derek4 wrote:
I don't know you or respect you, so your opinions carry no weight with me. Further, I don't really care what you do, what you say, or whether you like it or not.
Right on time! How can you be so unsightful as to post that in the same post that has your last comment? You come by your nickname honestly.
derek4 wrote:
Do I care what you think?
Amazing, Dim.
derek4 wrote:
I didn't ask you to respond to my posts
It's not necessary for you to ask, Dim.
KJV

United States

#6447 Nov 22, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“The Arrogance of Atheism”

by Ian Welsh

“Lately I’ve been amusing myself by spending time with the social site reddit. One of the prominent sub-reddits, is atheism, and it’s managed to remind me why I find radical atheists almost as offensive as fundamentalists.(Almost, since they don’t tell other people how to live, they just sneer at other people for their beliefs). So let me respond to fire with fire, atheism is, ultimately, intellectually disreputable.

You cannot know with certainty that there is no god, in the sense of a creator of the universe, for example. It is impossible. You can assert that it is unnecessary, but that is not the same thing as impossible. Certainly you can say “there’s no reason to believe God created the universe in 7 days, 4,000 odd years ago”, but who cares? If Biblical literacy is your target, it’s just about shooting fish in a barrel, isn’t it?

The fact is that we don’t know. Arguably, we can’t know. We can say “God as described literally in the bible cannot exist”, but we cannot say “God does not exist”.

Which is why, at the end of the day, I stick with agnosticism. I donÂ’t know if thereÂ’s a god, or an afterlife, or a soul.(I have opinions, but I am aware they are opinions, not facts). As such I know that I donÂ’t know, and I donÂ’t presume to tell people that I do know. I donÂ’t dismiss out of hand, say, children born speaking languages they have no exposure to, or near-death experiences, or mystical experiences. At the same time, I know there may be a simple materialistic explanation for them.

Likewise I remember always that there’s no reason for anything to exist, that the biggest absurdity of existence is existence. Humbled by this fact, I feel no need to spout off and say “I KNOW”.

I donÂ’t know.

And neither do you.”

[That was interesting. Not that I agree with all of it, but at least it was honest and straightforward – I have to appreciate the author's well said points.]
It also lays down the difference between Atheism and Agnostic's.

Something atheist can't figure out.
KJV

United States

#6448 Nov 22, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Dogmatic Atheism and Scientific Ignorance

[Too much material to post – but below is from the conclusion:]

“Every argument presented by dogmatic atheists involving science to disprove a Creator is fallacious; there is no scientific evidence proving or even demonstrating a Creator does not exist, and there is no scientific research into the “God” issue. The shameful misuse of science by dogmatic atheists is due to their failing to make distinctions between science fiction and science (nonfiction). Dogmatic atheism, for all its pretensions to scientific literacy, is in effect composed of people scientifically illiterate, illogical, and addicted to argumentum ad verecundiam (arguments from modesty). These people are not skeptics or freethinkers but modern cynics -- the great naysayers. Deism is the only religion which is science friendly. The naturalistic approach to science should be encouraged because eventually by the process of elimination, it can indirectly provide evidence for a Creator and with time maybe find not only evidence of a Creator, but the Creator itself.”
http://www.deism.com/dogmaticatheism.htm
Sounds like he's been reading KK's and Pinocchio's dribble. LOL
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#6449 Nov 22, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
FAIL. You still haven't provided a scripture describing the earth as a sphere, ball or globe - just a circle.
Thats right. These "prophets" thought that the earth was a flat circle covered by a sky dome, supported by pillars. Above which was a heaven occupied by god, sons of god, angels and other celestial beings. i.e they were writers of their time with no magical powers or special knowledge.
KJV

United States

#6450 Nov 22, 2012
derek4 wrote:
THE IGNORANCE OF ATHEISTS:

“One can only smile at the ignorance of British atheists who have taken to plastering London buses with the false and misleading advertisement:“There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.”

Richard Dawkins, the scientist, Darwinist and notorious atheist who helped pay for the advertisements, maintains that the universe somehow evolved out of nothing by natural selection or some other similar process. How probable is that? Most people in Britain, as in the United States and Canada, would agree that it is far more probable to suppose that all things visible and invisible in the universe were created by Almighty God.

Of course, conceptions of God differ. While deists think of god as a kind of super watchmaker who got the universe underway and then took a leave of absence, Christians believe in a loving and righteous God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and judge of all people.

The atheist advertisement is evidently targeted specifically at this Christian conception of God. In effect, the advertisement maintains that there is no such God, so now stop worrying and enjoy your life. Is this argument persuasive? Can anyone who is weighed down with guilt over abortion, adultery or some other sin now stop worrying and enjoy life because intellectuals like Dawkins have assured us that there is probably no God? Not likely. Apart from a few psychopaths, even the most hardened atheists who rob, steal, lie or kill the innocent are bound to be wracked with guilt.”
http://www.theinterim.com/columnist/the-ignor...

[“There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.”- If you're living your life in the right way, you shouldn't be worried, lol. On the other hand, if you want to be immoral, indecent, adulterous, and filled with hate, believing in God might bring you worry.]
Unreal! Are they really that stupid?

LOL. Totally Clueless aren't they?!
KJV

United States

#6451 Nov 22, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“Thanksgiving. A day of giving thanks.”

“But why do we say thank you?

Because something nice has been done for us. Because someone has given us something. Because we are responding to a kindness or blessing that has been bestowed upon us.

In so doing, we are implying that there is someone to respond to.

In the tradition of the first Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims, with help from the Indians (ahem, Native Americans) were able to give thanks to God for his many blessings. For helping them survive. For providing food. For bringing them to the New World where they could practice their faith without persecution.

So today, why do we celebrate Thanksgiving? Some will say itÂ’s just another holiday involving family, food, and football.

But the implication is there– we are thankful.

I canÂ’t imagine what it must be like to sit down around a Thanksgiving meal and eat without thanking the Lord. How awkward. How strange. How sad.

So, for those who don’t believe in God–why are they celebrating Thanksgiving? Who are they thanking? In the spirit of being thankful, what are they thankful for? If God didn’t bless them, then are they eating turkey and green bean casserole in honor of their bosses? Their friends? The bank? The economy? The government? Their own accomplishments?[Darwin, or the science god?]

What exactly are they thankful for? Stuff, surely. But what about the “stuff” that can’t be given by man? What about the breath in our lungs, the ability to wake each day, the family that surrounds us– our very existence?

It just doesnÂ’t make much sense to me not to recognize the higher power in that.

We celebrate Thanksgiving because we are thankful for the many blessings given to us by the only one with the ability to bestow them. Whether you refer to him as God or just Divine Providence, the fact that you celebrate Thanksgiving at all implies that there is one to whom we owe a debt of gratitude.

If they are true to their belief, all atheists should be alone on Thursday, eating cold spaghetti.”
http://jenniferkhale.com/2012/11/21/no-turkey...

[HAPPY THANKSGIVING, atheists – enjoy your cold spaghetti, lol.]
You have to love the cold spaghetti part after all the spaghetti god postings that they have made. LOL

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#6452 Nov 22, 2012
derek4 wrote:
some atheists try to show that the concept of God is incoherent, but they've never been able to construct a convincing argument, and the probabilistic problem of evil is too presumptuous
Actually, the concept of god is too vague to even be tested. All that can be tested are specific claims, such as that prayer works. It doesn't. Or that life was created. It wasn't. It evolved.

Speaking of probability, the god hypothesis is the least probable for the competing explanations for the existence of anything. If anything at all exists, something has to be eternal or to have come into existence uncaused.

[1] One hypothesis has the singularity coming into existence uncaused, and expanding.

[2] Another has our universe existing eternally, uncaused, and cycling through alternating epochs of expansion and contraction.

[3] Another posits the existence of a multiverse from which infinite numbers of universes including our bud off. The multiverse need be no more than an amorphous, unconscious blob.

[4] And then there is the hypothesis that an eternal, infinite, uncaused omnscient, omnipotent, immortal, and perfectly moral sentient life form has always existed.

The last is infinitely more complex than any of the others,complexity that is not needed. A multiverse could be the source of our universe, and at this time, is the leading candidate, since that hypothesis also answers the fine tuning objection.

A multiverse is infinitely more likely to exist than a god. And it's a Christian argument that defeats the god hypothesis, namely, Hoyle's fallacy - the one about 747's being assembled by tornadoes in junkyards being so unlikely as to be considered impossible, and therefore living cells self-assembling (abiogenesis) would be similarly unlikely. But what is a weak, unconscious, impotent and mortal cell compared to a god? Nothing. So how could a god exist uncaused?

Occam's Razor compels us not just to merely drop this hypothesis, but to hurl it with great force and dispatch.
KJV

United States

#6453 Nov 22, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>That there is more than one, nullifies the entire concept of one all powerful god. There are clearly thousands of gods, none who has any more validity than the next one. All are the farcical tools of the spell caster, who is your only liaisons to the gods.
Yes with out an almighty God you can be god!

I wonder how far out in the Galaxy your cry that there is no God can be heard?
Halfway down a spiral arm?
Maybe not, how about to the closest Star? Maybe not, how about at least getting out of our solar system? Nan probably not. Neptune or Saturn?
Maybe just maybe!

Of course there is the rest of the universe that's a bit bigger but hey it all just appeared for nothingness right?

KJV

United States

#6454 Nov 22, 2012
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>Its such a beautiful thing when you fundies admit you've lost....
What you too?

LOL.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#6455 Nov 22, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats right. These "prophets" thought that the earth was a flat circle covered by a sky dome, supported by pillars. Above which was a heaven occupied by god, sons of god, angels and other celestial beings. i.e they were writers of their time with no magical powers or special knowledge.
Yes indeedy, just like a giant snow "globe." I understand that the god was said to be walking on the top of it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#6456 Nov 22, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Why atheists lose debates
There is only one debate, and it is over which ideology will define Western values - Christianity, or secular humanism. You've lost Europe and Australia, and you're losing America.

But don't lose heart. The Africans and Asians are still quite undereducated, unsophisiticated, and superstitious. Most importantly, they know nothing about you.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#6457 Nov 22, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
That's why it's best to ignore his copy and paste off topic spam. He is like the Christian Muq.
Pathetic.
<quoted text>
Very apt analogy.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#6458 Nov 22, 2012
derek4 wrote:
[“There is no enduring truth in atheism.”]
Atheism makes no claims. It's an opinion: "I don't believe you." It can't be true or false. All that you can do to defeats skepticism for gods is to demonstrate one to us.

Here's an enduring truth for you, Dim: Nothing fails like prayer.

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