Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#6382 Nov 21, 2012
KJV wrote:
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"Now the Hebrews were not an especially technological society; when Solomon built his Temple he had to hire Phoenecian artisans for the really technical work. So the author of this passage may not have known the exact value of pi, or thought his readers might not be aware that specifying the diameter of a circle automatically specifies its circumference. In any case, the essential point was the impressive size of the cauldron, and its dimensions were only approximate, because the ratio of the circumference to the diameter is stated to be EXACTLY 3! rather than the real value of pi which is 3.14159...."
What how could this be?
The bible said to build it ratio of the circumference to the diameter to 3 and son of a gun it is 3 and not Pi.
Hmmm maybe God didn't want to use Pi?
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/pibible.h...
The Bible says that Pi = 3

None of your apologetics can change that.

Do you also dispute the Bible when it says that the world and everything on it was created in six days?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#6383 Nov 21, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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I don't need your okay to say anything, lol. Darwin brought us fraudulent science and Khatru religiously accepts it.
You want to know what fraudulent science is?

It's when you don't accept evidence because it runs contrary to your mythology.

It's making your conclusion before you've completed the investigation.

In other words, it's creationism.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#6384 Nov 21, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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You're so intelligent, but you don't know how to find a scripture? It's elementary, lmao. I've included a link for you.
You need to read your Bible, and you would know what it says. You've just shown your ignorance, AGAIN – lol.
http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2008/08...
In your next post you wrote:“you just keep on failing to refute us.”- No, I don't “fail” to refute you, lmao. Many of your posts and others I simply don't read, and I consistently refuse to waste my time on more than 3 or 4 of atheists' gibberish posts.
It wouldn't matter what anyone said who is on the opposite side of you, you wouldn't accept it if they said black was black and white was white, so why should I bother? Do I care what you think? No.
I didn't ask you to respond to my posts, nor do I care if you do or not. Ignore them if you wish. Read them if you wish – do whatever turns you on, lol.
You post opinions. I don't know you or respect you, so your opinions carry no weight with me. Further, I don't really care what you do, what you say, or whether you like it or not. Participating in the forum assigns no obligation to me to address anything. So deal with it - my present policy will continue, lol.
I can't help but notice your failure to cite the scripture that describes the earth as a sphere. Perhaps that's because there isn't one and you're lying for the baby Jesus again.

Given the Bible's ratio for Pi, this is hardly surprising. Your god has some pretty funny ideas about what a sphere is.
KJV

United States

#6385 Nov 21, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>How does Jesus masturbate?

He jerks off using the hole in his hand
What do you call a smart Atheist?

Nothing there aren't any.
KJV

United States

#6386 Nov 21, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>I don't believe in any gods.
KJV wrote:
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You believe there is no God or Gods.
Am I wrong?
Do you believe that there is no such thing as a God?
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>I don't believe in any gods.
Huh!
KJV

United States

#6387 Nov 21, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Not believing in something is not a religion.
It is if you make it one.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#6388 Nov 21, 2012
KJV wrote:
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It is if you make it one.
That's like saying a rectangle is not a square until you make it one.

The default position remains that non belief is not a religion.
KJV

United States

#6389 Nov 21, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible says that Pi = 3

None of your apologetics can change that.

Do you also dispute the Bible when it says that the world and everything on it was created in six days?
Kind of hung up on that Pi thing aren't ya buddy?

People are building things using their forearms as a measuring stick and you're all hung up on the .1415....

You know you're insane right?

Nut case!
KJV

United States

#6390 Nov 21, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>No probs. Here's another:

What goes "Oh no! Once again the devastating logic of the atheists have made me and my religion look very stupid indeed. I know I can't refute anything they say so I'll just flood the thread with a lot of spam that I don't really understand"
You can't understand those post?

We need to dumb it down for you?
KJV

United States

#6391 Nov 21, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>That's like saying a rectangle is not a square until you make it one.

The default position remains that non belief is not a religion.
Correct! Non belief.

Atheist BELIEVE there is no God or Gods.

Believing in something that cannot be proven is faith. Another interchangeable word for faith is RELIGION.

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#6393 Nov 21, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Those congregations are dwindling as churches owe at an all time high rate. I have an idea! Pay people to go to your church and then charge smart people a fee to walk around and enjoy the backwards ancient thinking spectacle!
Us smart people can walk around with a tour guide taking pictures of you freaks and laughing at you as the tour guide explains, yes these people believe Yahweh created all and is the supreme being yet he didn't realize Adam might want some poon every once In a while! The tour laughs and looks forward to buying something at the gift shop on the way out.
Yes it may be a bit disturbing to your church services but it would provide desperately needed revenue!
Think about it this could be the answer to your prayers!
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"The Church has no debt." Of Missions, Temples, and Stewardship.
President Gordon B. Hinckley
KJV

United States

#6394 Nov 21, 2012
Now pay close attention to the last entry and it name "Atheist" vs "non-religious"
2nd to last.

IF THEY WERE THE SAME THEY WOULD HAVE LISTED THEM THAT WAY!

The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, non-religious 9.42%, atheists 2.04%.

Wow. A whole 2.04% you guys are kicking some ass. LOL

Type all the lies you want, survey after survey shows Atheist below 2.5%.

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#6395 Nov 21, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Lol. Yes we do!
LMAO
Thanks for staying in the forum, KJV. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

Since: Nov 11

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#6396 Nov 21, 2012
“Why are so many atheists rude, obnoxious, and arrogant?”

“Some atheists are civil and respectful, but they are hard to find in Y!A. Others act like Beavis and Butthead and snicker when they post offensive questions and answers here. Some act like everyone who doesn't agree with them are deluded and ignorant. I like debating religion and philosophy with intelligent and respectful atheists, but these trolls are making the rest of them look bad. If any atheists post rude and offensive remarks, they will only be proving me correct.”

[Poster's insert: I have never found an “intelligent and respectful” atheist, LOL.]

Some of the answers that were found here

Answer:“Well lets not be so judgmental. Everyone has their beliefs and we need to learn to respect each others beliefs and discuss them in a civilized way. That is the only way we can get the truth out.” Source(s):“I am a Christian.”[It's not being judgmental to recognize rudeness.]

Answer:“Probably for the same reason so many theists (often calling themselves "Christian") are rude, obnoxious, arrogant and hypocritical. They're human.”[Kind of true. Christians can be rude too when God is slandered. It's offensive.]

Answer:“I don't mean this to be rude, but you're doing exactly what you don't like.”- Donna [Wrong, Donna (atheist). It was an honest question that deserves an honest answer.]

Answer:“They're angry...they don't understand and it makes them mad...Christians are happy Christ loving people who have found Something to live for...while atheists don't even know why we're here....the devil at work.[10 people on Yahoo rated this as a good answer]
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

Since: Nov 11

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#6397 Nov 21, 2012
The Rude Atheists

Some atheists are fair-minded. Atheist S.E. Cupp wrote about her father’s conversion to Christianity:

“As a longtime atheist, I was a little surprised. But eventually I came to be relieved by this development. While my friends’ fathers were buying flashy sports cars and exchanging their wives for models, my own father was turning inward and asking: Is there more to life than this? I was also proud of him for becoming a student again. As I watched him pore over C.S. Lewis, Lee Strobel and even neoatheist thinkers such as Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens, I thought it amazing that he still wanted to learn something new. It was a revelation I’d experience over and over again – meeting faithful believers and discovering that, no matter how long they had been in the fold, many were still on a dogged quest for spiritual knowledge.”(“The Arrogance of the Atheists: They batter Believers in Religion with Smug Certainty”)

Cupp also has some things to say about the current crop of outspoken atheists:

“The truth is, folks like [Bill] Maher and Silverman don’t want to know about actual belief – in fact, they are much more certain about the nature of the world than most actual believers, who understand that a measure of doubt is necessary for faith. They want to focus on the downfall of a gay pastor or the Nativity scene at the mall. I wonder what they’d say to someone like Immaculee Ilibagiza, a survivor of the Rwandan genocide who says that her faith in Jesus Christ got her through 91 days of hiding in a 3x4-foot bathroom while her family was murdered outside. Would they tell her she was crazy? Delusional? To just deal with it? I would hope not – but I’m not sure.”

Interestingly, this was quoted in an atheist newsletter (Pique, Feb. 2011)! Why? To bash her, of course! The editor responded:

“What bothers Ms. Cupp and so many other critics of the ‘new atheists’ is that we have stopped apologizing for our ‘belief’ in reason and science, and that we are no longer willing to give idiotic faith a pass. No, we won’t respect your belief…No more.”

Since when has an atheist ever apologized for their belief in reason and science? Everyone wants to play the victim card, even if they are the oppressors. Obviously, there is little for the atheist to affirm. Although they affirm “reason and science,” this in itself isn’t enough. Christians also affirm them! The renaissance of science was largely envisioned through the telescope of Christians!

It’s not enough to promote a negative – atheism. They have to denigrate the opposite – people of faith. I’ve gone to many atheist or secular humanist meetings. Since they have little to celebrate, they spend large bulks of their time pouring contempt on Christians as they promote respect for human rights.”
http://mannsword.blogspot.com/2011/03/rude-at...

[BEST STATEMENT IN THE TEXT:“Since they [atheists] have little to celebrate, they spend large bulks of their time pouring contempt on Christians as they promote respect for human rights.”]

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#6398 Nov 21, 2012
“The Arrogance of Atheism”

by Ian Welsh

“Lately I’ve been amusing myself by spending time with the social site reddit. One of the prominent sub-reddits, is atheism, and it’s managed to remind me why I find radical atheists almost as offensive as fundamentalists.(Almost, since they don’t tell other people how to live, they just sneer at other people for their beliefs). So let me respond to fire with fire, atheism is, ultimately, intellectually disreputable.

You cannot know with certainty that there is no god, in the sense of a creator of the universe, for example. It is impossible. You can assert that it is unnecessary, but that is not the same thing as impossible. Certainly you can say “there’s no reason to believe God created the universe in 7 days, 4,000 odd years ago”, but who cares? If Biblical literacy is your target, it’s just about shooting fish in a barrel, isn’t it?

The fact is that we don’t know. Arguably, we can’t know. We can say “God as described literally in the bible cannot exist”, but we cannot say “God does not exist”.

Which is why, at the end of the day, I stick with agnosticism. I don’t know if there’s a god, or an afterlife, or a soul.(I have opinions, but I am aware they are opinions, not facts). As such I know that I don’t know, and I don’t presume to tell people that I do know. I don’t dismiss out of hand, say, children born speaking languages they have no exposure to, or near-death experiences, or mystical experiences. At the same time, I know there may be a simple materialistic explanation for them.

Likewise I remember always that there’s no reason for anything to exist, that the biggest absurdity of existence is existence. Humbled by this fact, I feel no need to spout off and say “I KNOW”.

I don’t know.

And neither do you.”

[That was interesting. Not that I agree with all of it, but at least it was honest and straightforward – I have to appreciate the author's well said points.]

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#6399 Nov 21, 2012
Dogmatic Atheism and Scientific Ignorance

[Too much material to post – but below is from the conclusion:]

“Every argument presented by dogmatic atheists involving science to disprove a Creator is fallacious; there is no scientific evidence proving or even demonstrating a Creator does not exist, and there is no scientific research into the “God” issue. The shameful misuse of science by dogmatic atheists is due to their failing to make distinctions between science fiction and science (nonfiction). Dogmatic atheism, for all its pretensions to scientific literacy, is in effect composed of people scientifically illiterate, illogical, and addicted to argumentum ad verecundiam (arguments from modesty). These people are not skeptics or freethinkers but modern cynics -- the great naysayers. Deism is the only religion which is science friendly. The naturalistic approach to science should be encouraged because eventually by the process of elimination, it can indirectly provide evidence for a Creator and with time maybe find not only evidence of a Creator, but the Creator itself.”
http://www.deism.com/dogmaticatheism.htm

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#6400 Nov 21, 2012
THE IGNORANCE OF ATHEISTS:

“One can only smile at the ignorance of British atheists who have taken to plastering London buses with the false and misleading advertisement:“There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.”

Richard Dawkins, the scientist, Darwinist and notorious atheist who helped pay for the advertisements, maintains that the universe somehow evolved out of nothing by natural selection or some other similar process. How probable is that? Most people in Britain, as in the United States and Canada, would agree that it is far more probable to suppose that all things visible and invisible in the universe were created by Almighty God.

Of course, conceptions of God differ. While deists think of god as a kind of super watchmaker who got the universe underway and then took a leave of absence, Christians believe in a loving and righteous God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and judge of all people.

The atheist advertisement is evidently targeted specifically at this Christian conception of God. In effect, the advertisement maintains that there is no such God, so now stop worrying and enjoy your life. Is this argument persuasive? Can anyone who is weighed down with guilt over abortion, adultery or some other sin now stop worrying and enjoy life because intellectuals like Dawkins have assured us that there is probably no God? Not likely. Apart from a few psychopaths, even the most hardened atheists who rob, steal, lie or kill the innocent are bound to be wracked with guilt.”
http://www.theinterim.com/columnist/the-ignor...

[“There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.”- If you're living your life in the right way, you shouldn't be worried, lol. On the other hand, if you want to be immoral, indecent, adulterous, and filled with hate, believing in God might bring you worry.]

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#6401 Nov 21, 2012
“Thanksgiving. A day of giving thanks.”

“But why do we say thank you?

Because something nice has been done for us. Because someone has given us something. Because we are responding to a kindness or blessing that has been bestowed upon us.

In so doing, we are implying that there is someone to respond to.

In the tradition of the first Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims, with help from the Indians (ahem, Native Americans) were able to give thanks to God for his many blessings. For helping them survive. For providing food. For bringing them to the New World where they could practice their faith without persecution.

So today, why do we celebrate Thanksgiving? Some will say it’s just another holiday involving family, food, and football.

But the implication is there– we are thankful.

I can’t imagine what it must be like to sit down around a Thanksgiving meal and eat without thanking the Lord. How awkward. How strange. How sad.

So, for those who don’t believe in God–why are they celebrating Thanksgiving? Who are they thanking? In the spirit of being thankful, what are they thankful for? If God didn’t bless them, then are they eating turkey and green bean casserole in honor of their bosses? Their friends? The bank? The economy? The government? Their own accomplishments?[Darwin, or the science god?]

What exactly are they thankful for? Stuff, surely. But what about the “stuff” that can’t be given by man? What about the breath in our lungs, the ability to wake each day, the family that surrounds us– our very existence?

It just doesn’t make much sense to me not to recognize the higher power in that.

We celebrate Thanksgiving because we are thankful for the many blessings given to us by the only one with the ability to bestow them. Whether you refer to him as God or just Divine Providence, the fact that you celebrate Thanksgiving at all implies that there is one to whom we owe a debt of gratitude.

If they are true to their belief, all atheists should be alone on Thursday, eating cold spaghetti.”
http://jenniferkhale.com/2012/11/21/no-turkey...

[HAPPY THANKSGIVING, atheists – enjoy your cold spaghetti, lol.]

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#6402 Nov 21, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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I can't help but notice your failure to cite the scripture that describes the earth as a sphere. Perhaps that's because there isn't one and you're lying for the baby Jesus again.
Given the Bible's ratio for Pi, this is hardly surprising. Your god has some pretty funny ideas about what a sphere is.
LOL, I failed at nothing. The scripture was in the link I provided which you didn't want to plough through, so you were dishonest and lazy.

There is no baby Jesus.

He grew up, was crucified, and resurrected, and when your short life has ended, he will see that you get the justice you deserve, even as the worms are burrowing in and out of your godless eye sockets. Enjoy your blasphemy while you can, it's all you've got.

And, as you know, your family is planning a big party on the day they finally get rid of you.

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