Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Press

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#6027 Nov 16, 2012
derek4 wrote:
[Atheists put on their little mitts every day and and bat feebly against God -]
Little mitts? For your pathetic little godlet? Hardly. I blaspheme it ad lib with impunity. Why? Because it lives only in the heads of the frightened gullible. Let it turn its other cheek so I can whack your dickless god again. I'm still here.

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Fennario

#6028 Nov 16, 2012
derek4 wrote:
[Do you pledge 10%, or just put into the plate what your science god tells you to?]
No, suckah - that's you that does that. You work so that your parasitic priests don't have to.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#6029 Nov 16, 2012
derek4 wrote:
"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." 1 Timothy 5:8
"I could not, would not, in a house.
I would not, could not, with a mouse.
I would not eat them with a fox.
I would not eat them in a box." - Green Eggs And Ham

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#6030 Nov 16, 2012
Adam wrote:
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A predictable response. Cherry pick from Paul and ignore Jesus teaching. According to your mythology Jesus is supposed to be God ie. perfect, so you better get busy selling all your stuff.
Your post is false. 2 Timothy 3:16. You failed. You're also a failure as an atheist and a human being. You're a flop.

LMAO

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#6031 Nov 16, 2012
The big atheist lies: phony atheist social sciences

“A huge body of "work" if you will (lies) have sprung up by atheists attempting to play social scientist and trying to prove that so called "atheist nations" have better education and health care, and atheists go to prison less and so on.”
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread....

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#6032 Nov 16, 2012
Atheist Convert: Jennifer Fulwiler

How the Search for Truth Led Me from Atheism to Catholicism

One thing I could never get on the same page with my fellow atheists about was the idea of meaning. The other atheists I knew seemed to feel like life was full of purpose despite the fact that we're all nothing more than chemical reactions. I could never get there. In fact, I thought that whole line of thinking was unscientific, and more than a little intellectually dishonest. If everything that we call heroism and glory, and all the significance of all great human achievements, can be reduced to some neurons firing in the human brain, then it's all destined to be extinguished at death. And considering that the entire span of homo sapiens' existence on earth wouldn't even amount to a blip on the radar screen of a 5-billion-year-old universe, it seemed silly to pretend like the 60-odd-year life of some random organism on one of trillions of planets was something special.(I was a blast at parties.)

By simply living my life, I felt like I was living a lie. I acknowledged the truth that life was meaningless, and yet I kept acting as if my own life had meaning, as if all the hope and love and joy I'd experienced was something real, something more than a mirage produced by the chemicals in my brain. Suicide had crossed my mind -- not because I was depressed in the common sense of the word, simply because it seemed like it was nothing more than speeding up the inevitable. A life multiplied by zero yields the same result, no matter when you do it.

Not knowing what else to do, I followed the well-worn path of people who are trying to run from something that haunts them: I worked too much. I drank too much. I was emotionally fragile. Many of my relationships with other people were toxic. I wrapped myself in a cocoon of distractions, trying to pretend like I didn't know what I knew.”
http://whyimcatholic.com/index.php/conversion...

[What a depressing, miserable, hopeless existence – the life of an atheist.]

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#6033 Nov 16, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Ever see this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Pretty funny.

http://www.mountlehmanllamas.com/dali-llama-t...

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#6034 Nov 16, 2012
Atheists and Humanists Lying ...

Lies, falsehoods, untruths are the foundation of the secular humanist doctrines which are foisted upon America. Two of the most harmful – and widely accepted – concern abortion, and separation of church and state. This article focuses upon one typical instance of the lie about Christianity and the United States. It reveals a typical operation of the humanist lie factory, and urges the best method to counter it.

A local California group called the Backyard Skeptics audaciously threw their lie right into the faces of their neighbors. They put up a billboard with a picture of Thomas Jefferson, and this supposed quote from the founding father:“I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature. It is founded on fables and mythology.” Leading humanists enthusiastically praised the lie. Roy Speckhardt, executive director of the American Humanist Association, said of the billboard,“It’s uplifting to see Americans discussing the views of Jefferson and examining his influence on the secular nature of our constitution”

“Wait a minute,” thought I,“that’s not the Jefferson I know.” I have read over 1,500 dense pages of Jefferson’s own writings, in the Library of America’s “Jefferson: Writings.” I remembered nothing like that. On the one hand, Jefferson was not a member of any of the Christian denominations. And he didn’t like the professions of priests and pastors. But on the other hand, Jefferson strongly praised a pure Christianity, and called himself a Christian! He was nothing like an atheist.

I learned of the lying billboard from a reprint of an October 28 article out of Washington, D.C. The article featured a couple of even more astounding lies, made up by secular humanists, and falsely attributed to Jefferson. The article said the quotations were found on a website called “Monticello”. But to anyone acquainted with Jefferson, these ”quotations” are incredible:

“Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned: yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.”

“…those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy, the most sublime & benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man, endeavored to crush your well earnt, & well deserved fame.”

Even for those unfamiliar with Jefferson, there is a big clue that these statements are bogus: they do not cite their sources. Every writing of Jefferson can be checked by anyone if the source is identified.”
http://catholiclane.com/atheists-and-humanist...

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#6035 Nov 16, 2012
“... while the atheists at Freedom From Religion Foundation want to claim the Declaration of Independence as their own, the inconvenient truth is that not even one of the signers of the nation’s founding document was a 'freethinker' or 'atheist' or 'agnostic' or 'skeptic.'

In fact, all 54 signers were men of faith. And nearly half actually were heads of Christian seminaries.

To maintain that the faith of the nation’s founders had no bearing whatsoever on the Declaration of Independence is to deliberately skew American history.

But that’s the kind of deceitfulness for which atheists are known.”
http://christiandiarist.com/2012/07/04/atheis...

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#6036 Nov 16, 2012
[The Darwinism myth]

“The controversy over the origin of life was supposed to have been settled in the 1950s by the tidy doctrine of Darwinian evolution. Now, Darwin seems to be going the way of Marx and Freud... Far from supporting an atheistic, meaningless universe, the evidence supports a universe that is bursting with design.”
http://www.darwinism-watch.com/index.php...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#6037 Nov 16, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Did you mean " global warming is NOT a real threat" above?
No. I meant that the perpetrators of the disinformation might not be government or the energy sector. Various links within the links provided such as
http://www.us-cap.org/USCAPCallForAction.pdf [PDF file] seem to let one or the other off the hook. Did you read the excerpt from it?

[1] From USCAP (US Carbon Action Partnership, which includes Shell, BP, ConocoPhillips, Ford, Chrysler, GM, GE, PGE, Dupont, and Dow Chemical,) the consortium of emission related corporations from which comes the following:

”In our view, the climate change challenge, like other challenges our country has confronted in the past, will create more economic opportunities than risks for the U.S. economy,” including (paraphrasing) creating new markets, increased U.S. competitiveness, reduced reliance on energy from foreign sources, increased energy security, improved balance of trade, world leadership for the U.S.”[Google that and read about that statement]

Look at the name of those companies. They went on record here stating that not only is global climate change from anthropogenic carbon emissions a feasible threat worth taking seriously, but that it would not only not be too expensive to do. In fact, it would be economically sound, as in profitable and good for the nation, to pursue such an undertaking. If that's phony and insincere, it's pretty over the top. It's way more than they needed to say, or than you would expect them to say even in a disinformation statement, if that's what it is.

Isn't all of this just a little odd? If these guys aren't the ones funding and organizing the Manufactured Doubt, who is? Who else is possible?

“I Am No One Else”

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Seattle

#6038 Nov 16, 2012
derek4, I revoke your trolling license, you are so bad at it no one should bother reading your linguine. Decent trolls don't through around pasta, or waste time with utter nonsense like you do. You're a failure as a troll, and a human, and a man, according to your mother.

“It's all about the struggle”

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#6040 Nov 16, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Then you'll understand why we don't like subsidizing churches with taxes, and intend to remedy that as soon as we can muster the political clout to do so, which looks like about 2038 judging by the your present rate of hemorrhaging members and tithes.
If you don't want to pay taxes for fire service, then your churches should burn. I'm sure that Golden Rule people like you Christians will understand and support that.
I see you are still obsessed with the image of burning churches. Is that why you are hiding out in Mexico?

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#6041 Nov 16, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
... You're a failure as a troll, and a human, and a man, according to your mother.
As are you, according to your own words.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#6042 Nov 16, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Look at dishonest you are. What won't you say?
What could possibly be more hypocritical that a preacher that promotes the persecution of gays between clandestine dates snorting illicit powders off of the nut sack of his man-whore in a seedy motel? What is more hypocritical that that. Let's see what behavior from atheists you think makes that level of hypocrisy look pristine by comparison:
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Unbelievable. have you no shame? Have you no pride?
Your anti-atheist prejudice is so extreme that it blinds you to the point that you call atheists that feel that they have been discriminated against who are suing for that discrimination orders of magnitude more heinous than Haggard's.
That hypocrisy was so egregious, by the way, that the male escort in question outed himself on the national news, and confessed to illicit drug use just to expose his formerly incognito lover for that hypocrisy once he knew who it was.
You are a liar and a fraud. And you are a Christian.
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Therein lies OUR double talk? You are completely over the top. You have been so mismanaged by your handlers that you've lost your sense of proportion and your sense of decency. Your words sound insane to me.
Yet again Derek is exposed for the disingenuous hypocrite he is.

Looks like there are no depths to which this liar won't descend.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#6043 Nov 17, 2012
I stopped wasting my time reading his posts long ago. How he can spam so many gets yet still have nothing to say? Lol!
Khatru wrote:
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Yet again Derek is exposed for the disingenuous hypocrite he is.
Looks like there are no depths to which this liar won't descend.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#6044 Nov 17, 2012
derek4 wrote:
so called "atheist nations" have better education and health care, and atheists go to prison less and so on.
You sound like a rube.

A few posts back, you seemed to think that one could defraud a worm. Now you think a nation can be atheist. It can't. Nations neither believe in gods, nor disbelieve in them. People do. Even if every citizen in a nation were an atheist, the nation still would be no more an atheist than a car would be if every passenger in it were an unbeliever.

The correct language is that a nation's government is secular.

And the nations with secular governments are the best places in the world to live. From http://www.miratelinc.com/blog/10-best-countr... :

10. Luxembourg
9. New Zealand
8. Netherlands
7. Switzerland
6. Canada
5. Denmark
4. Sweden
3. United States
2. Norway
1. Australia

You don't see any theocracies on that list, do you? Iran and Saudi Arabia failed to make the cut again.

And yes, secularism is far superior to theocracy just as atheism is superior to theism. Everybody except the parasitic priestly class and demagogues benefits from less religion.

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Fennario

#6045 Nov 17, 2012
derek4 wrote:
How the Search for Truth Led Me from Atheism to Catholicism ... One thing I could never get on the same page with my fellow atheists about was the idea of meaning. The other atheists I knew seemed to feel like life was full of purpose despite the fact that we're all nothing more than chemical reactions. I could never get there.
That's because you were lied to and couldn't see through it. That argument is fallacious (which is different from fellatious). It is a fallacy of scale presuming that an entity is completely described by its qualities at one of many scale. This is the same argument that says that Shakespeare can't be of any value because it's nothing but letters spaces and punctuation.

If you aren't smart enough to avoid the pitfalls in these specious arguments, then you are the rightful property of the priests, and you labor for them and their families just like you do, Derek.

If your life was meaningless even to yourself before religion, well, I'll be charitable here and say that it hasn't improved any with that change.
derek4 wrote:
In fact, I thought that whole line of thinking was unscientific, and more than a little intellectually dishonest.
It has nothing to do with science. It's philosophy - logical fallacies. What is intellectually dishonest is saying that man is "just" chemicals. So is a star. So is a mountain.[CONT]

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Fennario

#6046 Nov 17, 2012
derek4 wrote:
If everything that we call heroism and glory, and all the significance of all great human achievements, can be reduced to some neurons firing in the human brain ...
Here we go again, but at the cellular scale rather than at the scale of biochemistry. Care to try at the tissue level, or the organ level? "Man is nothing but a sack of organs. There is no meaning in a gall bladder, a spleen or a pancreas, so how could there be value in a human being?"

We could also argue at smaller scales - man is nothing but a collection of quarks and leptons.

If you can't think better than this, then you probably need to shake the scary chicken on the stick to give your life purpose: "Chicken arise! Arise chicken! Arise!"
[5 second video of Billy Witchdoctor DOT com giving his life a moral foundation by shaking the scary chicken on a stick]
derek4 wrote:
then it's all destined to be extinguished at death.
That appears to be the case. If that's too much for you to bear without a crutch, consider Jesus.

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Fennario

#6047 Nov 17, 2012
derek4 wrote:
And considering that the entire span of homo sapiens' existence on earth wouldn't even amount to a blip on the radar screen of a 5-billion-year-old universe, it seemed silly to pretend like the 60-odd-year life of some random organism on one of trillions of planets was something special.
And here's the fallacy of scale again. We've only addressed the reductionist version of the fallacy - the microscopic scale - so far. That's only half of it.

We don't live on the scale of the entire universe over all time. At that scale, life itself is meaningless. Another form of the fallacy is that in five generations or less, our lives will be forgotten. That's true in most cases. But that's not the scale or address of our existence. We don't exist at the level of the grand scheme of things - just a few square miles of the surface of one planet for a few decades.

Why should my influence be expected to extend so far into time and space, or its failure to do so constitute the basis of an argument against it having meaning? It shouldn't and it doesn't. Yet there the argument is, like a huge pit in the earth, covered in thatching, waiting for the philosophically unsophisticated to fall into it.
derek4 wrote:
What a depressing, miserable, hopeless existence – the life of an atheist.
No, Derek. You're wrong. Now go shake your scarey chicken and get you some meaning to what you consider a meaningless existence without it.

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