Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Press

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Nov 16, 2012
 
derek4 wrote:
Atheist hypocrisy

I often hear the lament from anti-theists about Christian hypocrisy as the impetus behind their rejection of God, but rarely is atheist hypocrisy ever mentioned.”

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“I recall a time a few years ago when I posted a gospel tract on the community bulletin board of a local coffee shop.


Shortly thereafter, as I sat sipping my hot beverage, a woman in her thirties entered the shop and made her way over to the bulletin board. Upon seeing the tract, she quickly removed it and promptly found a table where she sat and thumbed through the little booklet. Her behavior led me to speculate that she was familiar with what she held in her hands, and I watched from a distance.

Then this woman took out a pen and began to write on the tract (both the front and rear covers). This greatly piqued my interest of course, and I continued to observe.

A short while later another woman entered the establishment and approached the table where the first woman sat. The second woman greeted the first and the first woman gleefully showed the second woman the cover of the tract. The second woman gave a smirk while the first had a grin ear to ear. She then promptly returned the tract to the bulletin board.

My party and I left at the same time as the two women did but my curiosity got the best of me so I returned to the bulletin board inside the business and retrieved the tract. And there I read what the woman in all her giddy-like-a-school-girl excitement had written on the tract.

On the front:“There is no God!”

On the back:“Shame on God!”

There you have it ... classic anti-theist hypocrisy:“Shame on the very thing I believe doesn’t exist.”

How can someone say on one hand,“There is no God!” then on the other hand say,“Shame on God!”? That is either blatant hypocrisy or a mild case of schizophrenia.

You can’t claim that someone or something doesn’t exist, then offer an opinion on that someone or something. Let me offer an example.

If I said that the Loch Ness Monster does not exist, but then warned you that you should be careful while swimming in Loch Ness because the Monster might get you, would you not be justified in questioning the truthfulness of my original claim that Nessie doesn’t exist?

So I came to the realization that most self-proclaimed atheists aren’t atheists because they disbelieve the existence of God, but it’s simply because they hate Him. They don’t want to be limited or prohibited in their lifestyle choices, nor be confronted with their sin, so they self-inflict a seared conscience upon themselves.

I would prefer if these professing atheists would be upfront and honest about their beliefs and come to terms with the fact that they simply hate God and His laws, instead of hiding behind a pretentious facade of pseudo-intellectualism in their declaration that the very thing they hate does not exist.”
http://defendingcontending.com/2012/01/09/ath...
Oh the irony.

Probably escapes you, doesn't it.

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Nov 16, 2012
 
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We always need to remember fraudulent science, lol
No, laughing boy. We need to remember what a fraud your church is.

With its myriad self-contradictions, failed prophecies and errors of historical and scientific fact, your bible is refutes its own claim of being divinely authored.

Being inauthentic makes its contents mythology, and the characters in it fictitious, including the god.

As a result, the religion based on your bible is false, and the church that exploits it all is fraudulent.

This is separate from the personal you commit individually, the fraud inherent in faith. Faith begins with a lie to the self, and then generalizes it to become a state of comprehensive and continual lying, still to the self about what is believable, but then also to other Christians that you glad hand once a week with as you flash them a forced smile, and finally, to the non-Christian world. You recently told us how you emulate Christ, a bald-faced lie even to those of us who know very little about you. As a Christian, you also claim to have an inner peace and joy that also has clearly eluded you.

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We always need to remember fraudulent science, lol
Yes, it is you and your church that are frauds, not science.

While screech and jump up and down about it, science marches on, revealing this amazing universe to us in ways that not only allow us to understand it, but to predict much of its behavior, and to control and exploit parts of it.

Your representation of science as being the output of individual researchers is a bald-faced lie as well - more Christian fraud. Yes, scientists sometimes cheat or err, and produce invalid results. But you know damned well that its not science until the science community vets it as science. That means that the results have been subjected to peer review and critique, that they have been confirmed by independent investigations, and that no contradictory results have arisen after a protracted period of time. Only then it is science.

By this reckoning, science is never wrong. Additional evidence for the veracity of any scientific proclamation occurs whenever the science works, meaning, allows us to predict outcomes in way not possible before the science was elucidated.

This is how we know that the central tenets of evolutionary theory are correct, having run the gauntlet for over 150 years. The test of time coupled its explanatory power and with the confirmed predictions of the theory assure us that the theory is correct.

Incidentally, science is validated by every one of those exposures of fraud. Who do you think does that? Priests? Science always questions itself. That's what makes it so powerful. It questions nature, and it questions the results of those inquiries.

Science humbly asks questions that may never be answered. Religion arrogantly offers answers that may never be questioned.~ anonymous

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IANS, another series of great posts. Enjoyable reading. Cheers
Thank you.

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Nov 16, 2012
 
Good morning everyone,

Just checking in I keep you busy with posts you skip and don't read, lol another lie from your hypocritical lips, lol......

All that work you do, composing, and typing your little fingers away.

Be careful - you'll wear your godless fingers clear down to the bone --- ha don't want to defraud the worms of some good meat to chew on, lol.

And how are all our atheist hypocrites today who spend hours writing about the God they don't believe in? LOL

NOW: Get busy and read those fraudulent science books!!!! Look at those Haeckel drawings!!!!

Practice singing those Chistmas carols - get informed, lol.........no time to waste - you're lagging way behind.

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Atheists and Hypocrisy

Atheists, at least the ones Ive read and argued with, love to point out hypocrisy when they see religious people especially Christians guilty of it. Fair enough. In fact, not just fair. We need the scrutiny of skeptics. It reminds us that Christ has called us not to be the judges and condemners of the world, but the salt and light.

That being said, the honest truth is that sometimes the hypocrisy of some atheists makes Ted Haggard look downright pristine. For instance, an atheist group in Michigan called the Center for Inquiry recently had a venue cancel their reservation. It seems that the privately-owned Wyngate Country Club discovered that the group was indeed atheist and that the event featured a nationally known atheist speaker, Richard Dawkins.

So the atheist group is you guessed it: suing. Why? On the basis of religious discrimination. Heres the legalese they cite:

Privately-owned companies are not exempt from laws against discrimination. If a privately-owned Michigan business offers services to the public (the legal term is public accommodation,) they must abide by both the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Elliott-Larsen Civil Rights Act and cannot discriminate against people based on religion.

Let me get this straight. Atheists famously get their collective panties in a wad when a religious display is allowed on public property property we ALL pay for. But now they go bat-crap crazy when a PRIVATE organization that THEY DIDNT pay for reserves the right to host who they please? Really?

AND Ive never had an argument with an atheist who didnt indignantly demand that atheism IS NOT a religion. But now its okay to hide behind laws that protect religion? That volume of hypocrisy is breath-taking!
http://kevinchilds.com/2011/10/14/atheists-an...

[Therein lies their double talk / hypocrisy. Atheism is a religion. The religion of infidels.]
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You recently told us how you emulate Christ, a bald-faced lie even to those of us who know very little about you.
Christians are notorious for cherry picking their beliefs. If any of them took their "saviour" seriously they would obey his commands, and sell all of their possessions. Not just their house and car but everything, and give it to the poor. To emulate "Christ" would mean to live in abject poverty and filth. So christians, let us know when you list 100% of your stuff at knock down prices on eBay! lmao

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An atheist said, "If there is a God, may he prove himself by striking me dead right now." Nothing happened. "You see, there is not God." Another responded, "You've only proved that He is a gracious God."

George Bernard Shaw is perhaps most renowned as a free thinker and liberal philosopher. In his last writings we read, "The science to which I pinned my faith is bankrupt. Its counsels, which should have established the millennium, led, instead, directly to the suicide of Europe. I believed them once. In their name I helped to destroy the faith of millions of worshippers in the temples of a thousand creeds. And now they look at me and witness the great tragedy of an atheist who has lost his faith." Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God.
http://www.sermonillustrations.com/a-z/a/athe...

[Love this part:Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God.

[Atheists put on their little mitts every day and and bat feebly against God -]

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Nov 16, 2012
 
Gotta love those online sermons from the atheist religion.

I listened to the first 30 seconds of one of those, then discarded the rest since it wasn't worth my time. But some of the faithful atheists in the forum may want to hear it so just for you, here it is:

http://www.doubtcast.org/podcast/atheists_ser...

[Who knows, maybe near the end he will tell you where there's a great atheist church in your area.]

[Do you pledge 10%, or just put into the plate what your science god tells you to?]

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Adam wrote:
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Christians are notorious for cherry picking their beliefs. If any of them took their "saviour" seriously they would obey his commands, and sell all of their possessions. Not just their house and car but everything, and give it to the poor. To emulate "Christ" would mean to live in abject poverty and filth. So christians, let us know when you list 100% of your stuff at knock down prices on eBay! lmao
Wrong.

Get informed.

"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

1 Timothy 5:8

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Nov 16, 2012
 
Here's another link promoting atheist sermons:

http://thebentangle.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/...

Enjoy!

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<quoted text>Pretty funny!

But we must translate the ancient Hebrew and Aramaic for "rock" and "biggest" properly in order to fully understand the question. To God, a rock is like a thousand rocks - a stoning. Also, in the Kingdom of Heaven, the biggest will be the smallest, and the smallest the biggest.

Did you hear about the Zen master who asked the hot dog vendor to make him one with everything?

When he asked for his change, the hot dog vendor told the Zen master that change must come from within.
Ever see this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Nov 16, 2012
 
Video in attached link is excerpt from an atheist sermon at the First Atheist Church of True Science:

http://yourhappyplace.yuku.com/topic/54211/At...

[Atheism is a religion- he says it several times in his rambling rant, lol. So, there you have it from the very mouth of an atheist.]

[I bet they sing Christmas carols at the FART church --- oops, I mean FACT church; lmao]

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Good questions, but my opinions there would be uniformed. I'm not very informed on the topic at that level. We're just trying to do our part, and it's been easy. Like I said, it required only a willingness to relocate, to change bulbs, and spring for the solar technology, and we profited from every change as much as the environment.

I am pessimistic about the climate situation. I expect disaster before the problem is taken seriously.

These are the things that I can contribute to this discussion, which are actually pretty interesting even if not answers to your questions:

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

The second one ends with, "Why do you suppose that the Pentagon, the CEO of Exxon-Mobil, and USCAP all say that global warming is a real threat?"

That's an excellent question. If they - the DOD and the energy industry - are not the ones funding and promoting the Manufactured Doubt in this arena, who is, and why? I believe those are key questions regarding understanding this entire situation. My answer sounds conspiratorial, so I seldom share it given the way people respond to such things.

I'm interested in any serious opinion. Why do we have these statements from these people? Is it a deception, or are they not the problem?
Did you mean " global warming is NOT a real threat" above?
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Wrong.
Get informed.
A predictable response. Cherry pick from Paul and ignore Jesus teaching. According to your mythology Jesus is supposed to be God ie. perfect, so you better get busy selling all your stuff.
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atheist hypocrites today who spend hours writing about the God they don't believe in?
You are an idiot. We know exactly what you are doing which is trying to divert attention away from the real problem, which is your religion is BS. This is why you try to attack Atheists and rarely if ever discuss your own beliefs. And in this forum a range of issues is discusserd and debated besides the non existance of gods. You may actually learn something if you read the posts properly and engage your brain.

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Nov 16, 2012
 
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Good morning everyone,
Just checking in I keep you busy with posts you skip and don't read, lol another lie from your hypocritical lips, lol......
Not me. I read several of your posts. How else could I colonoscope you with them?
derek4 wrote:
don't want to defraud the worms of some good meat to chew on, lol.
You really have no idea what some of the words you use mean. Clue: you can't defraud a worm.
derek4 wrote:
And how are all our atheist hypocrites today who spend hours writing about the God they don't believe in? LOL
You must mean me, since most of the recent posting is from me. I wrote very little about your god apart from calling it a mythological character and a metonym for Christianity.

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Nov 16, 2012
 
Exactly. Not to mention Paul never met Jesus and many if his so called books are indeed forgeries not even written by the so called Paul.

I also find it interesting that Paul knows very little of the life of Jesus and instead just barks at people what Jesus would want! Apparently Paul knew what Jesus would want better than Matthew Mark and John.

Sorry Luke you admit you never met Jesus but are just such a darn good historian :))
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A predictable response. Cherry pick from Paul and ignore Jesus teaching. According to your mythology Jesus is supposed to be God ie. perfect, so you better get busy selling all your stuff.

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derek4 wrote:
"the hypocrisy of some atheists makes Ted Haggard look downright pristine. "
Look at dishonest you are. What won't you say?

What could possibly be more hypocritical that a preacher that promotes the persecution of gays between clandestine dates snorting illicit powders off of the nut sack of his man-whore in a seedy motel? What is more hypocritical that that. Let's see what behavior from atheists you think makes that level of hypocrisy look pristine by comparison:
derek4 wrote:
"For instance, an atheist group in Michigan called the Center for Inquiry recently had a venue cancel their reservation. It seems that the privately-owned Wyngate Country Club discovered that the group was indeed atheist and that the event featured a nationally known atheist speaker, Richard Dawkins. So the atheist group is you guessed it: suing. Why? On the basis of religious discrimination."
Unbelievable. have you no shame? Have you no pride?

Your anti-atheist prejudice is so extreme that it blinds you to the point that you call atheists that feel that they have been discriminated against who are suing for that discrimination orders of magnitude more heinous than Haggard's.

That hypocrisy was so egregious, by the way, that the male escort in question outed himself on the national news, and confessed to illicit drug use just to expose his formerly incognito lover for that hypocrisy once he knew who it was.

You are a liar and a fraud. And you are a Christian.
derek4 wrote:
[Therein lies their double talk / hypocrisy. Atheism is a religion. The religion of infidels.]
Therein lies OUR double talk? You are completely over the top. You have been so mismanaged by your handlers that you've lost your sense of proportion and your sense of decency. Your words sound insane to me.

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Adam wrote:
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Christians are notorious for cherry picking their beliefs. If any of them took their "saviour" seriously they would obey his commands, and sell all of their possessions. Not just their house and car but everything, and give it to the poor. To emulate "Christ" would mean to live in abject poverty and filth. So christians, let us know when you list 100% of your stuff at knock down prices on eBay! lmao
Oh yeah. So Christlike.

I don't see how Christians can actually believe that the god is watching them while defying it. The Christians accuse the unbelievers of just that - that we hate their god and are rebelling against it, a very poor plan for a believer.

But then they flout violating their gods commandments, and just mutter a chant for forgiveness on demand at the ceiling fan.

Would you openly and visibly violate the commandments of a human dictator, maybe somebody like the Ayatollah Khomeini? Would you flout them openly? Of course not. Anybody who did would be cured of the practice right quick. But the Ayatollah is real - somebody that you can't help but believe exists. The bible god not so much judging by the behavior of the "believers."

Bull crap. It's not the skeptics who believe in a god they deny, as many Christians claim. It's the Christians, who claim they believe that a god is watching them whenever anybody ass, but who then defy it. You'd have a better chance of getting away with it with the Ayatollah. He's neither omniscient nor omnipresent.

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