Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11178 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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KJV

Brooklyn, NY

#546 Sep 16, 2012
The serpent was right wrote:
That should be "their myth is real", not "there myth is real"
Oh my word, you committed the Topix unforgivable sin.:)
KJV

Brooklyn, NY

#547 Sep 16, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Especially his being a so called childish atheist who grew up into believing in talking snakes and zombie Jews from Jerusalem! Lol nobody is buying that right?
Givemeliberty: So is this really you?

" I bet you think you even look like that!

You're 48 years old who wears a moo moo and slippers all day. You have big thick glasses, you have no clue what makeup is, you have more gray hair each day, you had it dyed once but now it has grown out about 8 inches. Your breast are down to your belly and are as flat as a skunk run over by a convoy.
You've not shaved you legs or arm pits in years. Yes you're living in a dream land. Except I know you."

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#548 Sep 16, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Well that is also true, just like there are different levels of skyscrapers and different levels in credit cards. But one has nothing to do with the other. As in your statement vs my post.
Thank you for your reply. I disagree you posted,

"Some interpret this as indicating that there are three different levels of heaven, a level for “super-committed Christians” or Christians who have obtained a high level of spirituality, a level for “ordinary” Christians, and a level for Christians who did not serve God faithfully."

That would be different levels of delusion. Of course believers do not feel they are deluded and neither do mental patients.
KJV

Brooklyn, NY

#549 Sep 16, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Hedonist, what do you thing about "nihilist" compared to atheist? Just wondering nothing meant by the question, just curious about your opinion.
one who believes existence has no objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value, see nihilism

Is this really any different then Atheist?
Other then it not saying anything about deities.
KJV

Brooklyn, NY

#550 Sep 16, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>I can not understand how someone can go from atheist to believer.
"Atheists who converted to Hinduism

Annie Besant – Theosophist, orator and feminist

John Dobson became a believer in Vedanta – astronomer and telescope designer

Sita Ram Goel – Indian commentator, writer and Hindu activist

Gabrielle Carey - Australian author of Puberty Blues who was raised atheist but converted to Catholicism and then explored other theologies.

Antony Flew - Philosopher and one of the most respected atheist thinkers of the 20th century, became a deist.

Moses Hess - Socialist philosopher and Left Hegelian who first influenced Karl Marx in his criticism of religion, but who later tried to combine the pantheism of Baruch Spinoza with Hegelianism.

J. Neil Schulman - Libertarian science fiction writer who states he met, or experienced, God and that this ended his atheism. The first such experience would have occurred when he was 35. That stated he remains skeptical of "the church" and does not belong to any religion.
Dave Sim - Comics writer and anti-feminist. He converted to, or created, his own mixture of Abrahamic religions.

Ted Turner - Media mogul who stated that he is no longer an atheist or an agnostic. He has not embraced any specific religion."

Wiki

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#551 Sep 16, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
one who believes existence has no objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value, see nihilism
Is this really any different then Atheist?
Other then it not saying anything about deities.
Thanks, I know the meaning, was just wonderin what Hedonist opinion was on the two, once again thank you for your input.
KJV

Brooklyn, NY

#552 Sep 16, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for your reply. I disagree you posted,

"Some interpret this as indicating that there are three different levels of heaven, a level for “super-committed Christians” or Christians who have obtained a high level of spirituality, a level for “ordinary” Christians, and a level for Christians who did not serve God faithfully."

That would be different levels of delusion. Of course believers do not feel they are deluded and neither do mental patients.
Christians are not like mental patients or delusional. Many scientist and famous people were or are Christians.
JFK, Churchill, Caption Kirk, Spock.
Just to name a few.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#553 Sep 16, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
one who believes existence has no objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value, see nihilism
Is this really any different then Atheist?
Other then it not saying anything about deities.
Sorry I did not answer your question, "Is this really any different then Atheist?"
That is the purpose of my question to Hedonist, I am trying to answer that question myself, just getting some opinions from other posters. I kinda think you are right, but there is still some difference. Thanks.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#554 Sep 16, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"Atheists who converted to Hinduism
Annie Besant – Theosophist, orator and feminist
John Dobson became a believer in Vedanta – astronomer and telescope designer
Sita Ram Goel – Indian commentator, writer and Hindu activist
Gabrielle Carey - Australian author of Puberty Blues who was raised atheist but converted to Catholicism and then explored other theologies.
Antony Flew - Philosopher and one of the most respected atheist thinkers of the 20th century, became a deist.
Moses Hess - Socialist philosopher and Left Hegelian who first influenced Karl Marx in his criticism of religion, but who later tried to combine the pantheism of Baruch Spinoza with Hegelianism.
J. Neil Schulman - Libertarian science fiction writer who states he met, or experienced, God and that this ended his atheism. The first such experience would have occurred when he was 35. That stated he remains skeptical of "the church" and does not belong to any religion.
Dave Sim - Comics writer and anti-feminist. He converted to, or created, his own mixture of Abrahamic religions.
Ted Turner - Media mogul who stated that he is no longer an atheist or an agnostic. He has not embraced any specific religion."
Wiki
You have misunderstood my reply, I did not say no atheist has converted, I said I do not understand it. Thanks for your post.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#555 Sep 16, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians are not like mental patients or delusional. Many scientist and famous people were or are Christians.
JFK, Churchill, Caption Kirk, Spock.
Just to name a few.
Thank you for your reply, we disagree on the delusional issue, I think christians are delusional, what someone does for a living or how famous they are, does not make one delusion free.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#556 Sep 16, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Hedonist, what do you thing about "nihilist" compared to atheist? Just wondering nothing meant by the question, just curious about your opinion.
Which flavor of nihilism?

The idea that life is without objective meaning or purpose. That's okay unless it becomes defeatist. The Humanistic view is that life can be full of whatever meaning or purpose you choose and "purpose" is best when it benefits the larger society.

Or maybe moral nihilism which states that there are no objective morals beyond what society defines. Again, not a problem as it sure beats any religiously defined moral edicts. The idea that there can be no universal morals without religion is wrong, but that doesn't mean we can't have universal morals. What I would want is a set of morals that is arrived at by a consensus of reasoning, sober discussion, argument, legal theory, political and secular moral philosophy.

Or some other nihilism?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#557 Sep 16, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks, I know the meaning, was just wonderin what Hedonist opinion was on the two, once again thank you for your input.
What people don't seem to get is that atheism is a category, just like theism. And just like theism, there are lots of flavors within the category.

Theists believe in the existence of 1 or more deities. Atheists are everybody who is not in the category theists. That is the only general statement you can maqke about either category.

Atheism includes Jainists, Buddhists, Humanists, some agnostics, nihilists, etc.

To try and make any all encompassing statement about atheists is by definition wrong.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#558 Sep 16, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
Which flavor of nihilism?
The idea that life is without objective meaning or purpose. That's okay unless it becomes defeatist. The Humanistic view is that life can be full of whatever meaning or purpose you choose and "purpose" is best when it benefits the larger society.
Or maybe moral nihilism which states that there are no objective morals beyond what society defines. Again, not a problem as it sure beats any religiously defined moral edicts. The idea that there can be no universal morals without religion is wrong, but that doesn't mean we can't have universal morals. What I would want is a set of morals that is arrived at by a consensus of reasoning, sober discussion, argument, legal theory, political and secular moral philosophy.
Or some other nihilism?
Just the basic def, I am atheist and was kinda looking at the similarity. Thanks for your reply.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#559 Sep 16, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
What people don't seem to get is that atheism is a category, just like theism. And just like theism, there are lots of flavors within the category.
Theists believe in the existence of 1 or more deities. Atheists are everybody who is not in the category theists. That is the only general statement you can maqke about either category.
Atheism includes Jainists, Buddhists, Humanists, some agnostics, nihilists, etc.
To try and make any all encompassing statement about atheists is by definition wrong.
I agree to a point but I do not feel agnostic is atheist, and sometimes I do not think atheist fits what I think, may be that is why I am looking into other types. Thanks.

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#560 Sep 16, 2012
Kirk and Spock are Jews even as sung by Adam Sandler lol!

Are both are certainly huge proponents and advocates of science and reason.
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians are not like mental patients or delusional. Many scientist and famous people were or are Christians.
JFK, Churchill, Caption Kirk, Spock.
Just to name a few.

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#561 Sep 16, 2012
Just when you think they can't get any dumber.

::shakes head::
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Givemeliberty: So is this really you?
" I bet you think you even look like that!
You're 48 years old who wears a moo moo and slippers all day. You have big thick glasses, you have no clue what makeup is, you have more gray hair each day, you had it dyed once but now it has grown out about 8 inches. Your breast are down to your belly and are as flat as a skunk run over by a convoy.
You've not shaved you legs or arm pits in years. Yes you're living in a dream land. Except I know you."

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#562 Sep 16, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text> I agree to a point but I do not feel agnostic is atheist, and sometimes I do not think atheist fits what I think, may be that is why I am looking into other types. Thanks.
Well, if a-theist is literally not-theist, that covers 100% of the possibilities.

Gnistic / agnostic deals with knowledge. A different but related
question.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#563 Sep 16, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
Naw, I lump all theists together. There's no difference between Christians and Muslims other than the century you think you're living in.
And my opinion of Christians is based on the actions of people like you, which must mean that they are all hateful bigots.
It takes you 2 posts (536, 537) to reply to my one post? Then in your post 538, you're wanting to do a third? What's wrong, Hedonist, can't get it together over there? And, then to top it all off, none of your posts went anywhere – just like you, round and round, going nowhere. LOL

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#564 Sep 16, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>I can not understand how someone can go from atheist to believer.
Just goes to show, God's miracles still happen every day.

Since: Nov 11

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#565 Sep 16, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
You should spend more time thinking of your insults. They are much better if it's original and not aped.
I just throw those out with the dirty dishwater. Sometimes I fire something back, but it's rarely worth the time.

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