Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11178 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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#5925 Nov 14, 2012
From esciencenews:

Fraud and the Decline of Science

“... Alok Jha published a fascinating article on fraud and misconduct in scientific research, suggesting that "bad practice ... is rife" and that its scale is becoming ever-more apparent through the use of software and statistical analyses that flag up suspicious results. These bad practices, which vary in seriousness, are itemised. They include fraud, massaged results, plagiarism, fabrication, falsification, sloppiness, selective publishing, incorrect attribution of work and nondisclosure of conflicts of interest.”
http://esciencenews.com/sources/the.guardian....

[What a great description of the decline of science:“...fraud, massaged results, plagiarism, fabrication, falsification, sloppiness, selective publishing, incorrect attribution of work and nondisclosure of conflicts of interest.”- well put. It should have mentioned how many scientists commit fraud to get government grants and compensation from the big drug companies.]

[I noted it also said it's “ever-more apparent through the use of software and statistical analyses that flag up suspicious results”- how embarrassing it would have been for poor Darwin if all that was available in his day, lmao.]

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#5926 Nov 14, 2012
[More about losing atheists:]

“Atheists Lose Another 'God' in Pledge Battle”

“The U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit upheld the constitutionality of the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in New Hampshire's public schools.

The decision ... by the three-judge panel dealt another blow to atheists who have made several attempts to strike down the pledge and the inclusion of the words "under God" as unconstitutional.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation filed a lawsuit in 2007 on behalf of two parents whose three children were attending public schools. The parents are atheist and agnostic.

They challenged the New Hampshire School Patriot Act which requires that the state's public schools authorize a period during the school day for students to voluntarily participate in the recitation of the national pledge. The act allows students who choose not to participate to stand silently or remain seated and to respect the rights of those pupils electing to participate.

After a court dismissed the atheists' lawsuit, FFRF filed an amended complaint the following year, arguing that the state act violates the Establishment Clause, despite the voluntary nature of student participation in the pledge.”

[But they still lost.......]
http://www.christianpost.com/news/atheists-lo...

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#5927 Nov 14, 2012
“Atheists win a battle but may lose the war.”

“Religion has been invigorated by those who came to bury God.”

“One of the biggest drivers of growth is China; by 2050 it could be the biggest Muslim nation, and the biggest Christian one. What numerous countries are now demonstrating, from the US to Asia, from Africa to the Middle East and Latin America, is that modernisation, far from entailing secularisation, is actually leading to increased and intensified forms of religiosity.”
http://www.etymology.com.au/etymology-article...

[Right – I've posted many sources previously, showing the growth of theism in China, Asia, Africa. Atheism is on the way out. I wouldn't want any part of the failing atheist religion.]

[Atheists are losing ... no, not really losing, just lost, lost, lost, LMAO]

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#5928 Nov 14, 2012
‘A Significant Victory’: Atheists Lose Battle Over Jesus Statue Atop Montana Mountain

Last October, we reported about atheists’ attempts to have a Jesus statue removed from government-owned land on a Montana mountain. Now, months later, it seems non-believers have lost their battle to have the religious symbol banished. In a press release delivered this afternoon, the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) announced:

…today’s decision by the federal government to renew a lease that keeps in place a World War II memorial on a Montana mountain — a statue of Jesus — is a “significant victory” and represents a sound defeat for an atheist organization that challenged the memorial.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/a-significant...

[Maybe the atheists should have prayed to their science god to help them win before going to court, LMAO]

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5929 Nov 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Trying to analyze others doesn't become you, Khatru - you're unstable. Your brain has enough trouble ploughing through your comic books.
You shouldn't project, that's the lowest form of trollery.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#5930 Nov 14, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
is the main objective to logically disprove the existence of a god?
No. That is neither possible nor necessary.

It is possible, however, to rule out a few named gods - any of the ones with self-contradictory bibles allegedly authored by a perfect god can be rejected, for example.

Plus, any bible with creation myths that vary from the scientific facts, or one with errors of historical fact.

And finally, we can rule out those gods that allegedly possess self-contradictory attributes, such as being omniscient and granting free will at the same time, or said to be perfect, yet making mistakes.

But that still leaves a few gods. I think that Dreamtime Snake, for example, cannot be ruled out.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#5931 Nov 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“Atheists who envision a world without religion may have a while to wait."
Who envisions that? How would that help?

I envision an America with a disempowered Christian church and a Christian minority. How long do we have to wait for that? Current projections are about twenty-five barring accelerating apostasy due to increasing social acceptability of irreligiosity. That's all that matters.

But feel free to continue shaking your scary chicken on the stick at the full moon if that's what gives you a moral foundation and gives your life meaning.

Nobody will even notice once your religion has shrunken down to a size that can be drowned in a bathtub. Just don't bother anybody else with what you think that the chicken wants. We don't care.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#5932 Nov 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“by a wide margin”- ATHEISTS not acceptable.....
We're going to reverse that for you. The day is not far off when people who believe in angels rather than evolution will be as unpopular as pedophile priests.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#5933 Nov 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
American sentiment against the repulsiveness of atheists is growing.
You may have noticed that we have started a little campaign of our own that has begun to gain traction. You people are already a laughing stock in the entertainment media and in universities. How many television shows or movies depict a priest as a respected person? Priests are as despised as investment bankers now. And we've only just begun. How many people want to grow up to become clergy? Not quite bupkis.

Can you feel it coming? Dead religion walking.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#5934 Nov 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Explain what "atheism plus" means to you.
Never heard of it.

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#5935 Nov 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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So, you have to buy their junk before you can see their magic.
I didn't say anything about buying. You should test drive before you buy.

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#5936 Nov 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Jebus sits on his right hand.
Some people think its figurative.

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#5937 Nov 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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jebus' baby daddy.
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It indicates the proper degree of respect.
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Really? I thought that it was the ones who took it seriously that were discredited.
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Yeah. They killed him, too.
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Christians.
I consider myself a Christian, but I don't think there is any biblical evidence that Jehovah had a son. Aleast I haven't seen any. Jehovah is Jesus Christ. Jehovah who is Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and the Jews in the Old Testament. In other words: Jesus Christ speaks in the place of God to the Jews in the Old Testament. The Jews tried to stone Jesus Christ because Christ proclaimed that he was the Jehovah of the old testament on several occasions.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#5938 Nov 14, 2012
Ya the Bible is wacky like that, people take some parts as literal other parts as figurative. One can do that with a work of fiction :)
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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Some people think its figurative.

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#5939 Nov 14, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Ya the Bible is wacky like that, people take some parts as literal other parts as figurative. One can do that with a work of fiction :)
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OR there could be dual meaning
OR it speaks differently to different people
OR experts respectfully disagree

That doesn't mean its a work of fiction. Some people have different understandings of the codification issued by the FASB, that doesn't mean it is a work of fiction or that the principles don't apply to the real world.

By the way, the FASB is the Financial Accounting Standards Board.
(I thought it was an appropriate comparison; a lot of people think that the principles of accounting are black and white, cut and dry but they are not. The same can be said about the Bible)

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#5940 Nov 14, 2012
Yes the bible is maybe the most famous piece of semi historical fiction out there.

I love how Jesus tells children around him that some of them will never taste death because the end of the world is that close at hand.

Woohoo did he screw that one up!:))
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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OR there could be dual meaning
OR it speaks differently to different people
OR experts respectfully disagree
That doesn't mean its a work of fiction. Some people have different understandings of the codification issued by the FASB, that doesn't mean it is a work of fiction or that the principles don't apply to the real world.
By the way, the FASB is the Financial Accounting Standards Board.
(I thought it was an appropriate comparison; a lot of people think that the principles of accounting are black and white, cut and dry but they are not. The same can be said about the Bible)

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Since: Feb 11

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#5941 Nov 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Who envisions that? How would that help?
I envision an America with a disempowered Christian church and a Christian minority. How long do we have to wait for that? Current projections are about twenty-five barring accelerating apostasy due to increasing social acceptability of irreligiosity. That's all that matters.
But feel free to continue shaking your scary chicken on the stick at the full moon if that's what gives you a moral foundation and gives your life meaning.
Nobody will even notice once your religion has shrunken down to a size that can be drowned in a bathtub. Just don't bother anybody else with what you think that the chicken wants. We don't care.
It may already be starting. Hopefully!

An 'Evangelical Disaster': What Happened to the Religious Vote?

http://news.yahoo.com/evangelical-disaster-ha...

“I Am No One Else”

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Seattle

#5942 Nov 14, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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I didn't say anything about buying. You should test drive before you buy.
Then you certainly didn't pay much attention if you bought into the religious nonsense.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5943 Nov 14, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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OR there could be dual meaning
OR it speaks differently to different people
OR experts respectfully disagree
That doesn't mean its a work of fiction. Some people have different understandings of the codification issued by the FASB, that doesn't mean it is a work of fiction or that the principles don't apply to the real world.
By the way, the FASB is the Financial Accounting Standards Board.
(I thought it was an appropriate comparison; a lot of people think that the principles of accounting are black and white, cut and dry but they are not. The same can be said about the Bible)
Dual meanings are not honest, nor reliable. They do not offer knowledge or understanding, they only offer pretty things to read and that is it.

An "expert" in your bible is nothing more than a poet who has tricked you into thinking they know something you don't. Everyone like to know secrets, it's in our nature, that's why conspiracy nuttery and mysticism are so appealing in spite of it all being nothing more than wishful thinking and dreams.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#5944 Nov 14, 2012
You find people doing the same thing with Nostradamus.
KittenKoder wrote:
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Dual meanings are not honest, nor reliable. They do not offer knowledge or understanding, they only offer pretty things to read and that is it.
An "expert" in your bible is nothing more than a poet who has tricked you into thinking they know something you don't. Everyone like to know secrets, it's in our nature, that's why conspiracy nuttery and mysticism are so appealing in spite of it all being nothing more than wishful thinking and dreams.

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