Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Star Press.

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#5908 Nov 14, 2012
From The Washington Post:

Christian charity its own campaign against atheism

“Atheist actor and writer Ricky Gervais is working on a new show, Afterlife , which features 'an atheist who dies and goes to heaven.' If Gervais hopes to bring cultural acceptance of non-belief to mainstream America, he faces an uphill battle. Polls show that many Americans distrust atheists and nearly half say they would not vote for one.”

[American sentiment against the repulsiveness of atheists is growing.]

continued:

“... what truly distinguishes atheists from religious people has to do with charitable work. Sure, plenty of atheists donate time and money to charities and there are probably many working at big charitable organizations. But, atheists do not organize together to build hospitals and schools in the developing world. There is no atheist equivalent of Samaritan’s Purse, Operation Blessing or Catholic Charities and we do not see atheist organizations providing relief when disaster strikes.

Why are atheists not doing this work? It has nothing to do with a lack of available resources. There are two main reasons and both greatly hamper an aspiring atheist politician. First, atheists do not have a God-given responsibility to help those in need. Religious people are required to do charity. The basic human rights that the free world has adopted as universal stem from Scripture.”

continued:

Second, atheists believe that humans are animals rather than specifically created by God to have dominion over the earth. If you truly believe there is no God and accept the evolutionary theory, mankind descend meaninglessly from the same random molecules as plants. Why spend resources on human-animals who will not survive natural selection without assistance when they are no more important than a tree or a chicken?

[Atheists believe humans are animals, and live like animals. They are devoid of human feelings.]

Organized atheism only exists to promote a single belief. Religious organizations promote a single belief and an important worldview including the duty to help the poor and persecuted even if they do not share our religious belief or happen to be atheists themselves.

Who would you rather vote for?”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/...

[When there are national disasters, the news shows the Red Cross and Salvation Army helping, while atheists are nowhere to be found. That's because they are busy in forums writing comedy posts about worms crawling in and out of their dead relatives' eye sockets.]

[Oh, yes, and I meant to remind you atheists - don't forget to leave a donation at the churches where you go to sing Christmas carols this year.]

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#5909 Nov 14, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Resorting to Urban dictionary?!
Wow!
Your desperation is exceeded only by your ignorance.
Nope, I picked it at random. Provide your own dictionary source for atheism plus, and I'll accept it as well. Show us your vast bank of intelligence (lol) and make a post that's meaningful, since your comment above is invalid, says nothing, and has been rejected. Do your research. Learn about your atheist religion. Make us PROUD of you, lol. Or don't do it - and prove to us you have no value, which we already know anyway.

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#5910 Nov 14, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Resorting to Urban dictionary?!
Wow!
Your desperation is exceeded only by your ignorance.
Explain what "atheism plus" means to you. You will be our star (dead rotting tree) expert of the day.

In the meantime, I won't hold my breath waiting for any gems of wisdom coming from you, lol.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#5911 Nov 14, 2012
Derek, instead of these attempted attacks on Atheism.

Why not tell us about your own beliefs. Which denomination you are in, and why you became a christian.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#5912 Nov 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, I picked it at random. Provide your own dictionary source for atheism plus, and I'll accept it as well. Show us your vast bank of intelligence (lol) and make a post that's meaningful, since your comment above is invalid, says nothing, and has been rejected. Do your research. Learn about your atheist religion. Make us PROUD of you, lol. Or don't do it - and prove to us you have no value, which we already know anyway.
Never heard of "atheist plus".

Don't much care about it, or your opinion of me.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#5913 Nov 14, 2012
Adam wrote:
Derek, instead of these attempted attacks on Atheism.
Why not tell us about your own beliefs. Which denomination you are in, and why you became a christian.
Don't hold your breath. He only knows how to spam.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#5914 Nov 14, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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I imagine your family looks forward to your funeral. They will send each other party invitations.
I can see right through you and your sense of what constitutes good ethics.

After all, you're the whackjob who thinks that a father who plots to have his son killed is worthy of love and respect.

So you see, your phoney ethics belie your outward appearance of affront.

You're a dummy - just like all Christians.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#5915 Nov 14, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Resorting to Urban dictionary?!
Wow!
Your desperation is exceeded only by your ignorance.
He's desperate alright.

He knows that the rotting corpse of his religion is rapidly decaying and it scares him a lot.

Mind you, I guess it doesn't scare him as much as his imaginary god does: The Bible tells its readers to fear the god of the old and new testaments.

It works on the gullible and ignorant who are quite clearly, terrified of their god.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#5916 Nov 14, 2012
Adam wrote:
Derek, instead of these attempted attacks on Atheism.
Why not tell us about your own beliefs. Which denomination you are in, and why you became a christian.
I can tell you why he became a Christiam - that one's easy.

Quite simply, it's because he was born into a culture, society that was predominantly Christian.

If Derek had been born in Saudi Arabia, he'd be quoting from the Quran, raging at people who draw cartoons of Mohammed and checking his scriptures to see what hand the supreme creator being wants him to wipe his arse with.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#5917 Nov 14, 2012
Naturally if he had been born in the Middle East he'd be strapping a bomb to his chest and running into a daycare.
Khatru wrote:
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I can tell you why he became a Christiam - that one's easy.
Quite simply, it's because he was born into a culture, society that was predominantly Christian.
If Derek had been born in Saudi Arabia, he'd be quoting from the Quran, raging at people who draw cartoons of Mohammed and checking his scriptures to see what hand the supreme creator being wants him to wipe his arse with.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5918 Nov 14, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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Me specifically or in general?
Generally speaking one can reflect on how one comes to know anything about anything and follow the same pattern to know if there is a god. If all truth really is divine, it really shouldn't be that hard to figure out. If God wants us to be "saved" and if he wants us to know about him, you would think it shouldn't be that hard to know if he is there.
On this matter, I think that a lot of people over complicate seeking a knowledge of a god with their own "flash bang" experiences that may stir up a great deal of zeal among believers, but provide little insight or direction for those who may be seeking for such a knowledge for themselves.
So, how do you know there is a god? Well, its pretty much the same way you figure out most other subject matters. You do some research, find a trusted teacher or mentor (some one who is knowledgeable in the area), do your best to learn about it, and then try to apply your new found knowledge.
Below is an explanatory section for each step:
1. Research: If you want to learn about a god, go to the source material, read it, analyze it in its entirety, and ask questions.
2. Find a trusted teacher or mentor (some one knowledgeable in the area): You aren't going to go to a Ford dealership to ask about a Honda's reliability, warranty information, and pricing are you? Ask someone who is very knowledgeable in the field in which you are questions. Ask for their advice, check your understanding of the research you have completed, and don't be afraid to question your chosen expert's opinions.
3. Do your best to learn about it: If you really want to learn if there is a god and you are considering some lifestyle changes REALLY do your homework on it before you commit in either direction. See what people have to say on both sides of the fence, attend a church a few times to get a feeling for the culture, expectations and doctrine, look at the history, and consider the implications of implementing a new lifestyle. Don't just look at the specifications on paper, go out and audit the tangible benefits of a belief in God.
4. Apply your knowledge: Once you have done your research, talked to experts about it, and you have done your best to learn about it, apply it and see if you like the results. This is the "test drive" phase of believing in a god. For many people this means "living like you believe" for a time even though you may not buy into it. During this phase many people:
1. Read scripture daily
2. Pray several times a day to God the Father in the name of Jesus Christ
3. Attend church weekly and ask lots of questions
4. Change their lifestyle and try living the way they think God would want them to.
5. Avoid substances that can cloud judgement during this crucial period in their lives.
Those who take these steps can find out for themselves if there is a God.
Like I said, its similar to learning about just about any other thing in life. If you'd like I can provide a secular parallel example to demonstrate.
So, you have to buy their junk before you can see their magic.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5919 Nov 14, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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We do have his words on this forum, thats pretty good proof for me. I don't know where else those words could be coming from. When you question whether some one exists when you have their words in front of you, you bring upon yourself the burden of explaining where those words did come from.
For example: Some one claiming that there is "no God" or that the God of Abraham and Isaac does not exist brings upon themselves the burden of explaining the origin of the words found in scripture, the burden of disproving the numerous eye witness accounts compiled in scripture, and the burden of discrediting the integrity of the people who recorded the scripture.
Given that all of the people who wrote scripture are presently unavailable for cross examination or questioning, adequately shouldering that burden of proof described above is nearly impossible.:)
That's like saying that Romeo and Juliet wasn't written by Shakespeare.

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#5920 Nov 14, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Never heard of "atheist plus".
Don't much care about it, or your opinion of me.
There are many things you haven't heard of because you make no effort to become an informed person. It's that dead tree mentality of yours you like to talk about. You like to type one line comments on subjects you know nothing about. Thank you for being honest enough to admit that to the forum.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#5921 Nov 14, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
Who is jehobah?
jebus' baby daddy.
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
Why all this slang?


It indicates the proper degree of respect.
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
It kinda discredits those who use that inaccurate terminology.


Really? I thought that it was the ones who took it seriously that were discredited.
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
I didn't know Jehovah had a son.


Yeah. They killed him, too.
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
Which faith believes that Jehovah had a son?
Christians.

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#5922 Nov 14, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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I can see right through you and your sense of what constitutes good ethics.
After all, you're the whackjob who thinks that a father who plots to have his son killed is worthy of love and respect.
So you see, your phoney ethics belie your outward appearance of affront.
You're a dummy - just like all Christians.
Your family is counting the days until they can party. They will sing a worm song for you out of respect.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#5923 Nov 14, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
How do you know that God has a body?
Jebus sits on his right hand.

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#5924 Nov 14, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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I can tell you why he became a Christiam - that one's easy.
Quite simply, it's because he was born into a culture, society that was predominantly Christian.
If Derek had been born in Saudi Arabia, he'd be quoting from the Quran, raging at people who draw cartoons of Mohammed and checking his scriptures to see what hand the supreme creator being wants him to wipe his arse with.
Trying to analyze others doesn't become you, Khatru - you're unstable. Your brain has enough trouble ploughing through your comic books.

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#5925 Nov 14, 2012
From esciencenews:

Fraud and the Decline of Science

“... Alok Jha published a fascinating article on fraud and misconduct in scientific research, suggesting that "bad practice ... is rife" and that its scale is becoming ever-more apparent through the use of software and statistical analyses that flag up suspicious results. These bad practices, which vary in seriousness, are itemised. They include fraud, massaged results, plagiarism, fabrication, falsification, sloppiness, selective publishing, incorrect attribution of work and nondisclosure of conflicts of interest.”
http://esciencenews.com/sources/the.guardian....

[What a great description of the decline of science:“...fraud, massaged results, plagiarism, fabrication, falsification, sloppiness, selective publishing, incorrect attribution of work and nondisclosure of conflicts of interest.”- well put. It should have mentioned how many scientists commit fraud to get government grants and compensation from the big drug companies.]

[I noted it also said it's “ever-more apparent through the use of software and statistical analyses that flag up suspicious results”- how embarrassing it would have been for poor Darwin if all that was available in his day, lmao.]

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#5926 Nov 14, 2012
[More about losing atheists:]

“Atheists Lose Another 'God' in Pledge Battle”

“The U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit upheld the constitutionality of the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in New Hampshire's public schools.

The decision ... by the three-judge panel dealt another blow to atheists who have made several attempts to strike down the pledge and the inclusion of the words "under God" as unconstitutional.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation filed a lawsuit in 2007 on behalf of two parents whose three children were attending public schools. The parents are atheist and agnostic.

They challenged the New Hampshire School Patriot Act which requires that the state's public schools authorize a period during the school day for students to voluntarily participate in the recitation of the national pledge. The act allows students who choose not to participate to stand silently or remain seated and to respect the rights of those pupils electing to participate.

After a court dismissed the atheists' lawsuit, FFRF filed an amended complaint the following year, arguing that the state act violates the Establishment Clause, despite the voluntary nature of student participation in the pledge.”

[But they still lost.......]
http://www.christianpost.com/news/atheists-lo...

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#5927 Nov 14, 2012
“Atheists win a battle but may lose the war.”

“Religion has been invigorated by those who came to bury God.”

“One of the biggest drivers of growth is China; by 2050 it could be the biggest Muslim nation, and the biggest Christian one. What numerous countries are now demonstrating, from the US to Asia, from Africa to the Middle East and Latin America, is that modernisation, far from entailing secularisation, is actually leading to increased and intensified forms of religiosity.”
http://www.etymology.com.au/etymology-article...

[Right – I've posted many sources previously, showing the growth of theism in China, Asia, Africa. Atheism is on the way out. I wouldn't want any part of the failing atheist religion.]

[Atheists are losing ... no, not really losing, just lost, lost, lost, LMAO]

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