Don't dictate beliefs

[The serpent was right]

derek4 wrote:

Many atheists ignorant of Christianity
Over the last few years I have encountered more atheists than I can shake a stick at.
Whether they are young atheists at the Auraria campus in downtown Denver or in an interview with a leader in Boulder, they all have one thing in common: ignorance...
...of Christian doctrine and practice.
Now, in one sense that is to be expected since poll after poll has demonstrated a widespread ignorance of Christianity among Americans as a whole--and Denver is no exception.
On the other hand, this is not to be expected since most atheists are atheists by choice. And many more likely chose atheism instead of Christianity. At the least, atheists by definition reject Christianity.
And to reject something one must have a substantial understanding of what is being rejected--else one rejects a position out of ignorance.
continued:
http://www.examiner.com/article/many-atheists...

Get educated dummy...
the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, found atheists and agnostics know more basic facts about the Bible than either Protestants or Catholics.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2010/092...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/09/2...

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2010/...

Here is one from the examiner... http://www.examiner.com/article/survey-reveal...

Seriously, do you think you know anything about the bible? LMAO!!! Based on your posts, I forgot more about what is in that rag than you will ever know!!

This is why you are Wimp Lo!! LOL!!!

[derek4]

The serpent was right wrote:

<quoted text>
Get educated dummy...
the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, found atheists and agnostics know more basic facts about the Bible than either Protestants or Catholics.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2010/092...
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/09/2...
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2010/...
Here is one from the examiner... http://www.examiner.com/article/survey-reveal...
Seriously, do you think you know anything about the bible? LMAO!!! Based on your posts, I forgot more about what is in that rag than you will ever know!!
This is why you are Wimp Lo!! LOL!!!

How nice to see you again, even though you lied and said you were leaving us. I knew you'd be back and rear your ugly head again.

Why I Left Atheism
“I guess the reason that I was an atheist is the same reason that many of you are believers in God if you are. That was because I had been indoctrinated in that particular persuasion. My background, the variables that were exposed to me as a child, led me very strongly in that direction. Just as many of you believe in God because your parents believe in God and because they instilled this belief in you, I also questioned, challenged, and rejected God because that was the kind of indoctrination that I received as a child. I can remember my mother saying to me as a child something like, "Do you really believe there is an old man, floating around in the sky, blasting things into existence here upon the earth? Do you really believe that crummy looking structure on the corner could be something beautiful called 'the church?' Do you really believe that there is a hole in the ground that I am going to be thrown into and burned eternally if I do not live just the way some preacher thinks I ought to?" Of course, I could not conceive of these things as a child and did not know enough to realize they are not what the Bible teaches.”
http://www.doesgodexist.org/AboutClayton/Past...

“I could not conceive of these things as a child and did not know enough to realize they are not what the Bible teaches."

[derek4]

The serpent was right wrote:

<quoted text>
Not surprisingly, you misunderstood his point.
And just in case you missed it before, or are so slow that things need to be repeated to you, atheism is not a religion. Atheists are way to smart to be involved in religion.

Atheists are deeply religious and faithful to their religion. Catch up, lol!

Shocking photo of atheist god captured:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“If you take their god away they cry like babies.”
[No Santa Claus or pink unicorns were harmed in the making of this video.]

[derek4]

Why do atheists hate God?

Recently, I have had a lot of conversations with atheists. Many express a strong hatred of God. I have been at a loss to explain this. How can you hate someone you don’t believe in? Why the hostility? If God does not exist, shouldn’t atheists just relax and seek a good time before they become plant food? Why should it matter if people believe in God? Nothing matters if atheism is true.
http://creation.com/atheist-god-hate

“If God does not exist, shouldn’t atheists just relax and seek a good time before they become plant food?”

[SEEK A GOOD TIME? Naahhh.....they'd rather waste their time hating.]

[derek4]

The serpent was right wrote:

<quoted text>
Not surprisingly, you misunderstood his point.
And just in case you missed it before, or are so slow that things need to be repeated to you, atheism is not a religion. Atheists are way to smart to be involved in religion.

Say a prayer when you do your yard work and breathe in the air God gave you. He probably won't listen, but you just never know, lol.

I'll have some more science misconduct and science fraud posts for you soon - might be tomorrow - hang in there - you know you can always count on me to post the news stories fer 'ya, lol.

I think I'll focus on bogus peer review next time. Gosh, there is a lot of material on that - I can probably harvest 3 pages in 3 minutes.

Oh, yes, and I've been meaning to tell you - "Givemeliberty" has indicated to the forum that his (or her) grandma needs some attention - head over to her house and see if a fling with the old gal will make you more cheery, lol.

LMAO

[derek4]

The serpent was right wrote:

<quoted text>
Not surprisingly, you misunderstood his point.
And just in case you missed it before, or are so slow that things need to be repeated to you, atheism is not a religion. Atheists are way to smart to be involved in religion.

I understood his point. He missed my sarcasm due to his stupidity, and you did the same, lol. I am well aware he does not worship the three little gods he named off. He (and you) worship the god of atheism, and you have faith in the religion of atheism.

The Religion Of Atheism

“A person's religion is the sum total of his beliefs about God and the supernatural. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are the three largest "monotheistic" religions, with belief one God, Creator Of The Universe.

Some religions are "polytheistic," with belief in many gods, each with different functions.

Atheism is the religion whose belief about God is that there is no God.

Some Atheists, for their own political reasons, assert that Atheism is not a religion but instead is the total absence of religion. This allows them to spread their Atheistic beliefs freely in societies which insist on "separation of church and state."

But this is like saying that "black," (which physicists define as the total absence of color) is not a color. A few years ago, the car I drove was a big, old Chevrolet, whose color was black. In common practice throughout the world, "black" is understood to be a color, despite the technical definition of the physicists. Likewise, "Atheism" is a religion, despite any technical definitions to the contrary.

If black is a color, then Atheism is a religion.”

[Poster's insert: Court rules atheism a religion
http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/ ]

If Atheism is a religion, then it must be subject to the same legal restrictions imposed by governments on all other religions. In particular, in the United States, the teaching of Atheism must be prohibited wherever the teaching of Christianity is prohibited.

But where is Atheism being taught? Atheism is being taught, by default, in all places where other religions cannot be taught, particularly in the public schools.”

[Poster's insert: This means atheists are dictating their religious beliefs in our schools.]

“When the State mandates that the Theory of Evolution be taught as fact, that is establishing the religion of Atheism, because the Theory of Evolution asserts that all life forms are created not by God, but by pre-existing natural processes. This is pure Atheism! If we are not created by God, then there might as well be no God, for all the difference He makes.

The mere fact that many scientists are Atheists does not entitle them to establish Atheism as our State Religion!

When the State prohibits free discussion of God in the classroom, that is establishing the religion of Atheism. Wherever the State permits Atheistic ideas to be spread but prohibits Theistic ideas, that is establishing the religion of Atheism.

Therefore I urge you to understand clearly in your mind that Atheism is a religion, just as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are religions. And any restrictions placed on Christianity, Judaism, or Islam must also be placed on Atheism. Atheism must not be allowed to slip through its little loophole any longer, by pretending it is not a religion.”
http://patriot.net/~bmcgin/atheismisareligion...

Atheism is a religion.

Atheism is a statement of faith in science and the theory of evolution.

Object again if you wish, and my reply the second time will be to ignore you or copy and paste all the above right back to you, since there is nothing you can say that will change the facts as I've presented them, lol.

[Langoliers]

Reason Personified wrote:

<quoted text>Rabbi Jewsus loves you, huh? Lucky you, you give up your humanity now, for ..... ugh, umm, nothing, nada. You won't even get to be god's hemorrhoid collector, because .... if there was a god it wouldn't be the thing in the bible that is called a god.

But you will be remembered for being a condescending inhumane jerk, so goody for you.

Nobody collects a damned thing after they are dead, except fungus maybe.

Ya you dictate your rules about what a God must be!

If it doesn't fit you rules then he can't be GOD. LOL!

Are you the woman that keeps calling the highway patrol and telling them to move the deer crossing signs because too many deer are getting killed trying to cross where the signs are currently?

LOL. Nut Job.

[Langoliers]

Saint Augustine wrote:

<quoted text>Which religion, dolt?

All religions?

Or just yours?

Wikipedia :
"Religion is a collection of belief systems, cultural systems, and worldviews that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. According to some estimates, there are roughly 4,200 religions in the world.[1]"

Now see if you can follow, religion is not a myth. It's real million and millions of people are involved in religion.

A deity might or might not be a myth.

Not religion, religion exist. FACT

[The serpent was right]

derek4 wrote:

<quoted text>
How nice to see you again, even though you lied and said you were leaving us. I knew you'd be back and rear your ugly head again.
Why I Left Atheism
“I guess the reason that I was an atheist is the same reason that many of you are believers in God if you are. That was because I had been indoctrinated in that particular persuasion. My background, the variables that were exposed to me as a child, led me very strongly in that direction. Just as many of you believe in God because your parents believe in God and because they instilled this belief in you, I also questioned, challenged, and rejected God because that was the kind of indoctrination that I received as a child. I can remember my mother saying to me as a child something like, "Do you really believe there is an old man, floating around in the sky, blasting things into existence here upon the earth? Do you really believe that crummy looking structure on the corner could be something beautiful called 'the church?' Do you really believe that there is a hole in the ground that I am going to be thrown into and burned eternally if I do not live just the way some preacher thinks I ought to?" Of course, I could not conceive of these things as a child and did not know enough to realize they are not what the Bible teaches.”
http://www.doesgodexist.org/AboutClayton/Past...
“I could not conceive of these things as a child and did not know enough to realize they are not what the Bible teaches."

No lie. I did leave.
Now I'm back.
I know you missed me.

As for the tripe above... He was not indoctrinated into atheism. Atheism is the default state. YOU were born an atheist, just as everyone else is.

As for the rest, he doesn't give any reason he became a godbot.

[Langoliers]

Hedonist wrote:

<quoted text>Actually bald is the absence of hair just like atheism is the absence of theism. Or to put it in words you might be able to understand - atheism is the absence of BELIEF in deities.

Langoliers wrote, "<quoted text>
Religion is faith, you believe with out proof that there is no God that is faith / Religion
"

Actually I just don't believe YOU when you make your unsubstantiated claims about gods.

Langoliers wrote, "<quoted text>
Believe with out proof is faith.
"

Actually belief without proof is what you do. I am waiting on some sort of evidence for you claim that your (or any other) god exists.

Langoliers wrote, "<quoted text>
You are a Preacher of the first church of Apes R Us. It's a small congregation, really small there are 4 time the number of Gays then there are Atheist. The Theist church has about 49 time more people then your church but stay with it you might hold you own and stop losing you congregation.
2.3%. Wow that's pretty low!
On Second thought give it up, you'll never amount to anything. "

Thank you for once again showing everybody the hate that is so common among Christians. You are a fine example of what it means to be a Christian.

(And you are wrong about your numbers - "http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1618445... ;)

"Actually belief without proof is what you do. I am waiting on some sort of evidence for you claim that your (or any other) god exists"

You believe that no God or Gods exist.
Yet you have no proof for that believe.
Therefore it's faith and faith is a religion.
Maybe not in the first one or second definition but its in the dictionary so like it or not it's a religion. Don't like it being a religion? Then show Proof of no God!
Other wise it's a religion.

[The serpent was right]

derek4 wrote:

<quoted text>
Atheists are deeply religious and faithful to their religion. Catch up, lol!
Shocking photo of atheist god captured:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
“If you take their god away they cry like babies.”
[No Santa Claus or pink unicorns were harmed in the making of this video.]

Atheism is not a religion.

You lose again.

[The serpent was right]

derek4 wrote:

Why do atheists hate God?
Recently, I have had a lot of conversations with atheists. Many express a strong hatred of God. I have been at a loss to explain this. How can you hate someone you don’t believe in? Why the hostility? If God does not exist, shouldn’t atheists just relax and seek a good time before they become plant food? Why should it matter if people believe in God? Nothing matters if atheism is true.
http://creation.com/atheist-god-hate
“If God does not exist, shouldn’t atheists just relax and seek a good time before they become plant food?”
[SEEK A GOOD TIME? Naahhh.....they'd rather waste their time hating.]

Why do atheists hate god?

They don't. They simply don't believe in it.

Do you hate Santa?

[The serpent was right]

derek4 wrote:

<quoted text>
I understood his point. He missed my sarcasm due to his stupidity, and you did the same, lol. I am well aware he does not worship the three little gods he named off. He (and you) worship the god of atheism, and you have faith in the religion of atheism.
The Religion Of Atheism
“A person's religion is the sum total of his beliefs about God and the supernatural. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are the three largest "monotheistic" religions, with belief one God, Creator Of The Universe.
Some religions are "polytheistic," with belief in many gods, each with different functions.
Atheism is the religion whose belief about God is that there is no God.
Some Atheists, for their own political reasons, assert that Atheism is not a religion but instead is the total absence of religion. This allows them to spread their Atheistic beliefs freely in societies which insist on "separation of church and state."
But this is like saying that "black," (which physicists define as the total absence of color) is not a color. A few years ago, the car I drove was a big, old Chevrolet, whose color was black. In common practice throughout the world, "black" is understood to be a color, despite the technical definition of the physicists. Likewise, "Atheism" is a religion, despite any technical definitions to the contrary.
If black is a color, then Atheism is a religion.”
[Poster's insert: Court rules atheism a religion
http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/ ]
If Atheism is a religion, then it must be subject to the same legal restrictions imposed by governments on all other religions. In particular, in the United States, the teaching of Atheism must be prohibited wherever the teaching of Christianity is prohibited.
But where is Atheism being taught? Atheism is being taught, by default, in all places where other religions cannot be taught, particularly in the public schools.”
[Poster's insert: This means atheists are dictating their religious beliefs in our schools.]
“When the State mandates that the Theory of Evolution be taught as fact, that is establishing the religion of Atheism, because the Theory of Evolution asserts that all life forms are created not by God, but by pre-existing natural processes. This is pure Atheism! If we are not created by God, then there might as well be no God, for all the difference He makes.
The mere fact that many scientists are Atheists does not entitle them to establish Atheism as our State Religion!
When the State prohibits free discussion of God in the classroom, that is establishing the religion of Atheism. Wherever the State permits Atheistic ideas to be spread but prohibits Theistic ideas, that is establishing the religion of Atheism.
Therefore I urge you to understand clearly in your mind that Atheism is a religion, just as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are religions. And any restrictions placed on Christianity, Judaism, or Islam must also be placed on Atheism. Atheism must not be allowed to slip through its little loophole any longer, by pretending it is not a religion.”
http://patriot.net/~bmcgin/atheismisareligion...
Atheism is a religion.
Atheism is a statement of faith in science and the theory of evolution.
Object again if you wish, and my reply the second time will be to ignore you or copy and paste all the above right back to you, since there is nothing you can say that will change the facts as I've presented them, lol.

Atheism is not a religion. All your sad wishful thinking will not change that.

My kids are atheists, and the youngest doesn't even know what evolution is.

So much for that stupid idea huh?

As for the idiotic comparision of the absence of color(As when refering to light), and the color of your old car.... It just shows how utterly ignorant you are. LMAO!!!!

[The serpent was right]

Langoliers wrote:

<quoted text>
"Actually belief without proof is what you do. I am waiting on some sort of evidence for you claim that your (or any other) god exists"
You believe that no God or Gods exist.
Yet you have no proof for that believe.
Therefore it's faith and faith is a religion.
Maybe not in the first one or second definition but its in the dictionary so like it or not it's a religion. Don't like it being a religion? Then show Proof of no God!
Other wise it's a religion.

You are so ignorant it hurts to read your drivel.

Do you believe bigfoot exists?
How about wizards?
How about flying unicorns?

Do you have any proof that those thing do not exist?
Than I guess you have quite a few religions you follow!!!!

Does it hurt to be that stupid?

[Langoliers]

derek4 wrote:

<quoted text>Notice how they re-write dictionaries? Discredit stories on CBS NEWS, etc.?

Then they accuse Christians of dishonesty. They prove how their godlessness is full of lies and deceit, but they aren't even convincing deceivers.

Jokes!!!

LMAO

That's why they have lost 98.7% of there flock!

Lol

A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."

Wikipedia:

"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"

Wikipedia :

"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"

Wikipedia :

"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"

[Langoliers]

Just Think wrote:

<quoted text>There was a time when people, as their religion, worshipped Zeus and Mars and Athena and so on.

That was their religion.

According to you, religion is not a myth.

So, according to you, the ancient gods Zeus and Mars and Athena are real?

Nope

Swing and a miss!

Religion is a Fact, deities may or may not be myths, no proof either way. Religion is the act of worshiping those deities. If just on person worshipped just one deity then religion would be a fact.
97.7% of the world population are Theist so can you connect the dots?

[Langoliers]

Just Think wrote:

<quoted text>So, again - according to you - anyone who believes without proof that there are no Unicorns has formed their own little religion (well, a pretty big one in this case...)

Where's the nearest "there aren't any Unicorns" church?

Swing and another miss!
Count is 0 and 2.

[Langoliers]

Reason Personified wrote:

<quoted text>100% of babies born to theist parents, are atheist.

100%.... we didn't lose them, we never had them, they are atheist at birth. That means without theism, it does not mean non believer, even those infants are non believers too.

Being the children of theist, they will be indoctrinated to whatever invisible magic friend mind fantasy their parents play at.

There are many thousands of theistic bents, that the theist parents could be indoctrinating their children into. You go ahead and claim them all for the loon side, the worship of any and every god from Achelois to Zeus, from Kali to Beelzebub, they all make up that ever shrinking percentage, they are the vanishing theist.

Once upon a time, all these gods were believed in, and now it's only a tiny percentage, that are left, with even a few believers. >>> godchecker.com

A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."

Wikipedia:

"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"

Wikipedia :

"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"

Wikipedia :

"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"

[Langoliers]

The laughing atheist wrote:

<quoted text>I have read some of your posts....
Not very impressive. You apppear to be a less intelligent version of Derek(not that he would be considered intelligent by any standard). Is every believer on this thread so incompetent that they can't even hold up their end of a conversation without resorting to purposely misdefining words, and demanding proof that something does NOT exist? I see you have added an appeal to the majority, which of course is a logical fallacy.

If this is the best that the theist world has to offer, atheism should be universally accepted in no time.

Well you not universally accepted.

A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."

Wikipedia:

"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"

Wikipedia :

"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"

Wikipedia :

"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"

[Langoliers]

-Skeptic- wrote:

derek4 the failed Creationist trying desperately to spam his religious bullsh*t in the forums.

Prove your god or f*ck off it's been that simple since the dawn of time.

You liars are getting boring this century.

Go away Skippy