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No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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#2864 Oct 11, 2012
From FOX News:

Scientists face four years in prison for failing to predict earthquake

Six Italian scientists and one government official could see four-year prison terms for manslaughter for allegedly downplaying the risk of an earthquake in the town of L'Aquila, Italy, in 2009.

According to prosecutors, the six researchers and the Department of Civil Protection downplayed the likelihood that a series of tremors that hit the city in early 2009 were foreshadowing a larger quake. On April 6, 2009, a magnitude-6.3 earthquake killed 309 city residents.

The trial, which began about a year ago, has worried scientists, who point out that earthquake prediction is not possible. But prosecutors insist that the trial is not about predicting the unpredictable, according to Nature News. During closing arguments on Monday and Tuesday (Sept. 24-25), the prosecution assistant told the courtroom that instead, The prosecution is asking for four-year prison terms for the accused.

Earthquake swarms are notoriously unreliable predictors of future quakes, say seismologists. In 1988, researchers found that about half of large quakes in seismically active areas of Italy were preceded by foreshocks, but only 2 percent of small earthquake clusters predicted a big temblor.

At the controversial March 31 meeting in L'Aquila, earth scientist Enzo Boschi, now a defendant in the case, acknowledged the uncertainty, calling a large earthquake "unlikely," but saying that the possibility could not be excluded. In a post-meeting press conference, however, Department of Civil Protection official Bernardo De Bernardinis, also a defendant, told citizens there was "no danger."

“The trial, which began about a year ago, has worried scientists, who point out that earthquake prediction is not possible.”
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/09/26/ita...

“... the scientists and officials had inadequately assessed the risk of a quake and given deceptive information to the public.”

[Lol - what else is new? They do it all the time.]

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#2865 Oct 11, 2012
From NBC News:

Renowned scientist faces 16-year prison term

Dutch scientist Marc van Roosmalen’s success at combing the Amazon for new monkey species has earned him international acclaim and recognition as one of the world’s leading biologists. Time magazine named him one of its “Heroes for the Planet.”

Now his work has earned him a more troubling distinction: a nearly 16-year prison sentence. He was jailed in June for nearly two months before a panel of judges freed him on bail Tuesday while he appeals.

Van Roosmalen was convicted of holding an Internet auction for the naming rights of two monkey species he discovered. He planned to use the proceeds to help preserve their habitats. But the court ruled the auction was illegal because van Roosmalen was working at Brazil’s National Institute for Amazon Research at the time of the discoveries and said the naming rights belonged to the government.

Van Roosmalen blames the state’s powerful logging interests and overzealous environmental regulators for orchestrating his conviction and accuses them of trying to discourage scientific investigation.

“They are criminalizing science,” van Roosmalen told The Associated Press in a telephone interview this week from the Amazon city of Manaus.

Scientists have rallied around van Roosmalen, saying the case highlights a growing conflict between scientific research and Brazil’s efforts to protect the Amazon with some of the world’s toughest environmental laws.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20219392/ns/techn...

“Scientists have rallied around van Roosmalen.”

[Yes, they stick up for their own, even when they know he's wrong. We see that a lot among atheists, who are much like fraudulent scientists in the way they think.]

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#2866 Oct 11, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Being the children of theist, they will be indoctrinated to whatever invisible magic friend mind fantasy their parents play at.
So if they are the children of atheists, they will be indoctrinated (by their parents) to the mind fantasy of evolution and godlessness. Right, but, thank God, that indoctrination doesn't always stick. Not all children follow what their godless parents taught them.

William J. Murray is the chairman of the Religious Freedom Coalition, a non-profit organization in Washington, D.C., active on issues related to aiding Christians in Islamic and Communist countries.

William Murray is the son of Madalyn Murray O'Hair,[1] a United States atheist activist who came to national attention in Baltimore, Maryland when she filed a lawsuit with the Supreme Court of the United States, claiming that compulsory prayer and reading of the Bible in public schools was unconstitutional.

Murray converted to Baptist Christianity in 1980. Learning of his conversion, his atheist mother commented: "One could call this a postnatal abortion on the part of a mother, I guess; I repudiate him entirely and completely for now and all times ... he is beyond human forgiveness." He expressed similarly negative feelings toward his mother in his first book, My Life Without God, in which he wrote: "She was just evil … She misused the trust of people. She cheated children out of their parents' inheritance." Murray also repudiated his mother after her death, saying "I used to ask people to pray for my mother's salvation. I don't do that anymore…. My mother was an evil person." He also blamed her for the death of his daughter and his half-brother, who were murdered at the same time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Murra...

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#2867 Oct 11, 2012
derek4 the failed Creationist trying desperately to spam his religious bullsh*t in the forums.

Prove your god or f*ck off it's been that simple since the dawn of time.

You liars are getting boring this century.

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#2868 Oct 11, 2012
Just Think wrote:
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There was a time when people, as their religion, worshipped Zeus and Mars and Athena and so on.
That was their religion.
According to you, religion is not a myth.
So, according to you, the ancient gods Zeus and Mars and Athena are real?
Did you and the laughable atheist come from the same momma? Your lack of common sense, and your manner of expression is about the same - and neither of you contribute anything to the forum except to make jokes of yourselves.

If you're stuck back in time, and you want to worship Zeus and Mars and Athena, feel free to do so – or just keep holding on to your godless faith in science with all it's frauds and misconduct, and embrace your atheistic religion – the choice is all yours, lol.

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#2869 Oct 11, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
derek4 the failed Creationist trying desperately to spam his religious bullsh*t in the forums.
Prove your god or f*ck off it's been that simple since the dawn of time.
You liars are getting boring this century.
What an enlightening, informative, and contributory post, lol. You have indeed made some wonderful points that would persuade the most serious Christian believer to convert to your godless religion: atheism and evolution.

I would also like to thank you for brightening our day with your cheery attitude and juvenile language.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#2870 Oct 11, 2012
The laughing atheist wrote:
I see why you [a Christian apologist] would want to call atheism a religion, but it simply is not a religion. Period. That's it.
They call atheism a religion, and evidence based trust "faith," in an attempt to level the playing field by demeaning them both, which is remarkable in itself.
The laughing atheist wrote:
No thinking person considers it a religion. The fact that you do, simply takes away from any credibility that you might hope to enjoy in a debate on the subject.
That ship has long since sailed.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#2871 Oct 11, 2012
The laughing atheist wrote:
It appears that you do not like the idea that your religion is not allowed to be taught in public schools. That's too bad for you. The US Constitution is very clear on the matter, but you can always send your kids to a religious school that is not funded with taxpayer money.
The Christian church has no respect for Americanisms such as church-state separation. Their church only gives lip service to such ideas. Their first four Commandments command religious observance, and exclusively to the Christian god.

Christian philosophy is anti-American in spirit. The models of government are authoritarian: the god over man, and the man of the house over his wife and children. There is no voting in heaven, and their god doesn't take surveys or count hands.

And there are no rights or freedoms in the bible - just the right to obey or burn.

Does anybody really doubt that if the church had the power to enforce its theocratic model that it wouldn't?

Even more so, has that church ever had the authority to burn witches at the stake or impale heretics in the iron maiden and said, "No, that is cruel and barbaric. We refuse to exercise that power"? Of course not.

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#2872 Oct 11, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Did you and the laughable atheist come from the same momma? Your lack of common sense, and your manner of expression is about the same - and neither of you contribute anything to the forum except to make jokes of yourselves.
If you're stuck back in time, and you want to worship Zeus and Mars and Athena, feel free to do so – or just keep holding on to your godless faith in science with all it's frauds and misconduct, and embrace your atheistic religion – the choice is all yours, lol.
That wasn't the point of my post or the person I was speaking to, Spam Boy.

The wheels really come off your posts when you have to use your own words instead of cutting and pasting spam...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#2874 Oct 11, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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I don't backtrack to explain why I am here to the late bloomers. Nor do I owe you any explanation as to why I am here.
If, like most lazy atheists, you don't want to familiarize yourself with what's been going on to date in the forum, you can remain in the dark, or go back and catch up, or disappear off the planet, lol. The choice is all yours – I couldn't care less what you do. LMAO
What a beautiful example you are of the failure of Christian ethics in practice. You are a devout Christian, proud and fervent in your faith.

Yet, you are not half the person of any of the humanists that you post to.

Humanists have a better value system, and we embody those values better. Why don't you take a peak: http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php... Here are a couple that spit in your god's eye:

Whereas your religion describes man as abject filth worthy of eternal torment, "we deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, to seek to explain the world in supernatural terms, and to look outside nature for salvation."

Whereas you pot repeatedly against the science, "we believe that scientific discovery and technology can contribute to the betterment of human life."

"We are committed to the principle of the separation of church and state."

Whereas you people scapegoat, demean, dehumanize and marginalize gays and atheists, among others, "we are concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and with eliminating discrimination and intolerance."

Just look at you. We can do better than your church. We always have.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#2875 Oct 11, 2012
derek4 wrote:
“The Supreme Court has held that what makes a belief religious is "whether it is a sincere and meaningful belief occupying in the life of its possessor a place parallel to that filled by the God."
In Dred Scott v Sandford (1857), the US Supreme Court also affirmed that black people were only 3/5th of a person, not citizens, had no rights, and were considered property. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h2933.html

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#2876 Oct 11, 2012
derek4 wrote:
Most Americans do not accept the theory of evolution. Instead, 51 percent of Americans say God created humans in their present form, and another three in 10 say that while humans evolved, God guided the process. Just 15 percent say humans evolved, and that God was not involved.
Christianity is endemic in America. It makes her a laughing stock in the West.

We are fixing that. As the ARIS data I just posted attests, your church is hemorrhaging adherents and social clout in America as we speak.

And that is a good thing. Your legacy will be Christian atheophobia, homophobia, sexual constipation, guilt and shame, misanthropic self-loathing, antiscientism, crusades, inquisitions, and a history of strife, division and death.

Your church's cultural hegemony just can't die fast enough.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#2877 Oct 11, 2012
The laughing atheist wrote:
I have read some of your [Langoliers] posts....
Not very impressive. You apppear to be a less intelligent version of Derek(not that he would be considered intelligent by any standard). Is every believer on this thread so incompetent that they can't even hold up their end of a conversation without resorting to purposely misdefining words, and demanding proof that something does NOT exist? I see you have added an appeal to the majority, which of course is a logical fallacy.

If this is the best that the theist world has to offer, atheism should be universally accepted in no time.
Yes.

That is part of the value of this exercise. We don't teach the Dereks or Langoliers a thing. Nor do we need to be taught that they are incorrect.

But I think that most skeptics that have not spent time in an environment like this have no idea how damaging their religion really is, or the importance of diminishing its influence from public life.

Just look at the arguments of the Christians posting in this thread, and compare them with those forged from humanist values. Christian philosophy severely deforms psyches, both intellectually and morally, in direct proportion to the degree that informs the individual Christian.

You seem a little surprised by this. The regulars here are not. We are accustomed to it.

Don't we owe it posterity to help diminish this church in any way we can? I don't mean to persecute individual Christians, who are mostly victims of their church as well, but rather, to emphasize the sickness of Christian philosophy, and facilitate its rejection in best sellers, billboards, and message boards like these? Does that matter?

As I mentioned to Derek a few weeks a go, we are posting to people like him, even when we reply to his posts and address him. If Derek and I were the only two people on this thread, he would be alone. Posting to him is a waste of time. We post to one another. I am posting to you, even when I answer him. And my message is that his church is more pernicious than I think you knew.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#2878 Oct 11, 2012
derek4 wrote:
You know, I've been wondering if all your thoughts are copy and pastes ... Have you no original ideas / opinions of your own? You aren't able to think for yourself?
Seriously? Are you really this insight-free? I haven't seen an original idea from you yet, and about 80-90% of the words that you have posted in this thread are preformatted Christian apologetics.

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#2879 Oct 11, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Do we throw out the Constitution because there are people who have difficulties understanding it, many of them arriving at different interpretations that must be decided by our courts?
[Being as you're in the UK, you may not know what our Constitution is – if not, ask someone and they will explain it to you.]
“What happened to Nietzsche? What went wrong? When did this all begin? The aim of this inquiry is notwhat caused Nietzsche's madness; it is when his madness began. This is a significant question for philosophy, for if his street collapse was the culmination of a serious mental illness that had been underway for even a few weeks before this event, at least one or two of his six 1888 books must have been written under the spell of madness. If this were indeed the case, the difficult question is precisely how many of these books have been infected by his illness.”
http://www.bu.edu/paideia/existenz/volumes/Vo...
Oh I know what the US constitution is.

It's something that American Christians wished their country didn't have.

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#2880 Oct 11, 2012
Just Think wrote:
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That wasn't the point of my post or the person I was speaking to, Spam Boy.
The wheels really come off your posts when you have to use your own words instead of cutting and pasting spam...
You have no “points”, lmao.

You lose points each time you try to post.

You know why? Because there are no wheels turning in your pointed little head, lol.

There is nothing but a vacant space where your brain should be.

If you want to worship Zeus and Mars and Athena, feel free to do so – or just keep holding on to your godless faith in science with all it's frauds and misconduct, and embrace your atheistic religion – the choice is all yours.

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#2882 Oct 11, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
Religion is not a myth you Dolt!
Nice of you to accept that all the Hindu gods and goddesses are for real.

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#2883 Oct 11, 2012
derek4 wrote:
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Have you checked the news on what the majority of AMERICANS accept?
From CBS NEWS, February 11, 2009:
Poll: Majority Reject Evolution
Most Americans do not accept the theory of evolution. Instead, 51 percent of Americans say God created humans in their present form, and another three in 10 say that while humans evolved, God guided the process. Just 15 percent say humans evolved, and that God was not involved.
These views are similar to what they were in November 2004 shortly after the presidential election.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500160_162-965223...
Also, it was YOU who once posted this comment,“You should know that being in the minority doesn't mean you're wrong. What percentage of the population did Noah and his family make up?“
And I feel sure you remember that the answer you were given is 100%, lol.
I guess there's not much chance of Darwin appearing on American banknotes then.

Never mind, we think Darwin is great and he's on our £10 notes.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/curr...

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#2884 Oct 11, 2012
The atheist's leap of faith

“According to the News Bureau at the University of Illinois, "Life did not begin with one primordial cell. Instead, there were initially at least three simple types of loosely constructed cellular organizations. They swam in a pool of genes, evolving in a communal way that aided one another in bootstrapping into the three distinct types of cells by sharing their evolutionary inventions."

I have some news for the University News Bureau. If you talk about life beginning as a "loosely constructed cellular organizations" that swam "in a pool of genes," then it wasn’t the beginning at all, because loosely constructed cellular organizations swimming in a pool of genes already existed.

Ex-atheist, Lee Strobel said, "Essentially, I realized that to stay an atheist, I would have to believe that nothing produces everything; non-life produces life; randomness produces fine-tuning; chaos produces information; unconsciousness produces consciousness; and non-reason produces reason. Those leaps of faith were simply too big for me to take ..."

For the beginning to be the beginning, there must be nothing. Zilch. If you disagree, in simple language, explain to me where I am going wrong. Tell me what was in the beginning--what was it that began the evolutionary process? Let me guess your answer. You don't know what it was, but you know that it wasn't God.”
http://www.pulltheplugonatheism.com/art09.sht...

“You don't know what it was, but you know that it wasn't God.”

[What a strange religion!]

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#2885 Oct 11, 2012
From: USA Today:

Atheists:'Hate' calls prompt removal of anti-faith signs

“The American Atheists group that posted billboards mocking Mormon and Christian beliefs to greet Democratic National Convention-goers in Charlotte next week have waved the white flag.

The signs slap at the mainline Protestant Christian faith of President Obama, the Mormon faith of GOP candidate Mitt Romney and their running mates' Catholicism.

Now, however, the billboards are down after an onslaught of threats, according to CNN's Belief Blog.

Amanda Knief, American Atheists' managing director, said in a statement quoted by CNN:

No subject, no idea should be above scrutiny -- and this includes religion in all forms.... We are saddened that by choosing to express our rights as atheists through questioning the religious beliefs of the men who want to be our president that our fellow citizens have responded with vitriol, threats and hate speech...

One sign calls God "sadistic" and Jesus "useless" as a savior (his image is shown as toast, literally) and conclude that atheism, by contrast, is "simply reasonable."
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Relig...

“One sign calls God 'sadistic' "
[How can a non-existent God be sadistic? Can a pink unicorn be sadistic, lol?]

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