Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Press

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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derek4 wrote:
“What I realized was quite stunning. According to Websters Dictionary online (2012), one of the definitions of ‘religion’ is:“a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith”
[see definition #4, here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rel... ]
"This definition can apply to the organization Freedom from Religion! The Faith that a group like Freedom from Religion practices is the cause, principle or system of beliefs that there is no God. Think about this a moment. A group with a common belief system that there is no God! Talk about hypocrisy! In their quest to secularize America, they haven’t figured out at Freedom from Religion that they are in essence a religion itself. Unfortunately, without historical references to any religion, this secular group probably has no clue on why radical Islam practices the hatred of infidels, in other words, terrorism.”
http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/...
Atheists hold to a cause (their position of atheism), principle, or system of beliefs with ardor (which means enthusiasm or passion)... and they hold to a faith in the scientific evidence which they believe proves evolution, rather than holding to faith in God. Therefore, the atheist position lines up with the definition of religion, regardless of their claims to the contrary.
God isn't real and lying about atheists isn't going to make it real.

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Hedonist wrote:
“Theists claim that there is a god; atheists do not. Religionists often challenge atheists to prove that there is no god; but this misses the point. Atheists claim god is unproved, not disproved.”~ Dan Barker
The quote falls flat, just like you, and your target audience isn't interested in anything Mr. Barker has to say.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Today the news came out and it seems a large amount of Americans age 30 and under are now completely non religious wanting nothing to do with it. 30% I believe. The highest ever in the US.
and the point is?

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Chess Jurist wrote:
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But it wasn't "gramatically" incorrect, though your spelling of grammatically was incorrect.
As many style guides point out, fragments are fine in the hands of seasoned writers:
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http://blog.writeathome.com/index.php/2012/04...
And to that I say, "Bam!"
Fool.
”fragments are fine in the hands of seasoned writers”--- right – not half-wit fools like you – so you better leave grammatical liberties to the seasoned writers, lol.

Also, it's still not a complete sentence, regardless. I also wrote you about one of your incomplete sentences from another of your posts yesterday, but you conveniently "missed" my post, I suppose. Maybe it has something to do with your dishonesty.

Also, this was found within your own source (about fragments)-“don't force it.”(Did you miss that part?)

You know, the only reason I enjoy pointing out your downfalls in grammar is because you think all your writings are perfect - but you're full of sh*t about that – so it's a pleasure showing you all your errors.

Yes, I did misspell a word. I'll probably get in a hurry again in the future, as I often do, and misspell another one - so be on the look out and keep me informed, lol.

I didn't ever claim to be perfect in grammar. Like I told you once before, I'm more into weightier issues of researching fake science and the pitfalls of atheism, while your focus is on grammar trivia.

I bet you like to watch Homer Simpson. You probably think he's a genius - and compared to you, he probably is, lol.

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Just Think wrote:
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Does that mean I'm also a Unicornian and a Leprechauniast too - because I don't think they are real either...
No, I don't think that's what he meant. I doubt there's anything that complicated about you. You're probably just a run-of-the-mill, garden variety atheists – so don't flatter yourself.

If you act nice, Ole Santy Claws might come see you in a couple of months. Put out cookies.

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Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color.
Atheism is a religion which places it's faith in science instead of God (or "gods").

How atheists hate the word FAITH - but faith (in the evidence of science) is one of their strong points. Science is really all they have to support their godless religion.

From: Yahoo News:

Study: Fraud growing in scientific research papers
Oct 1, 2012

Fraud in scientific research, while still rare, is growing at a troubling pace, a new study finds.

A review of retractions in medical and biological peer-reviewed journals finds the percentage of studies withdrawn because of fraud or suspected fraud has jumped substantially since the mid-1970s. In 1976, there were fewer than 10 fraud retractions for every 1 million studies published, compared with 96 retractions per million in 2007.

The study authors aren't quite sure why this is happening. But they and outside experts point to pressure to hit it big in science, both for funding and attention, and to what seems to be a subtle increase in deception in overall society that science may simply be mirroring.

Fraud in life sciences research is still minuscule and committed by only a few dozen scientific scofflaws. However, it causes big problems, said Arturo Casadevall, a professor of microbiology at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York. Casadevall is the lead author of the study which looked at the reasons for 2,047 retractions among many millions of studies published in journals and kept in a government database for medically focused research.

Fraud was the No. 1 cause of retractions, accounting for 43 percent of them. When fraud was combined with other areas of misconduct, such as plagiarism, it explained about 2 out of 3 retractions, the study found.

"Very few people are doing it, but when they do it, they are doing it in areas that are very important," Casadevall said. "And when these things come out, society loses faith in science."
http://news.yahoo.com/study-fraud-growing-sci...

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Note key sentence:
"Very few people are doing it, but when they do it, they are doing it in areas that are very important," Casadevall said. "And when these things come out, society loses faith in science."

Other key words to note:“faith in science”
[The public has “FAITH” in science; atheists have “FAITH” in science. Atheists have “FAITH”, whether they like to admit it or not.]

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-Skeptic- wrote:
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"Every Creationist has no valid evidence for their hallucinations and love to lie about science and atheists in an effort to further their failed cult".
Go have a cup of coffee, then sit down....place your hands on your forehead and massage it. Maybe that will help stimulate you so that you can think of something new to post instead of the garden variety rhetoric you always write, lmao. Your silly, spontaneous erruptions are like this annoying bird that chirps incessantly outside my bedroom window.

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Oct 10, 2012
 
From NBC News:

October 1, 2012

“Can you trust what biomedical researchers have to say about your health?

There are plenty of people out there who say no, including anti-vaccinators, mega vitamin proponents, lovers of non-Western medicine and those who see a pharmaceutical company plot behind every drug, device or genetically altered seed. Few of these skeptics have any sound evidence to offer on behalf of their distrust. Often their opposition is based more on ideology or politics than it is solid evidence for doubt.

But, that does not mean that biomedical science should ignore problems that do undermine public trust in what they have to say. One of the most important and disturbing is fraud.

A study published Monday in the very trustworthy journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences shows that fraud is a real problem in scientific publications. This study is both a reason for concern and, ironically, a reason to trust what scientists and doctors say.

The study reviewed 2,047 retracted biomedical and life-science research articles dating back to 1973 and found that the biggest reason for their retraction wasn't honest error but fraud. More than 40 percent of the retractions were due to the discovery of outright fraud and another 23 percent to plagiarism. The rate of retractions of published articles, while a tiny percentage of all papers published in biomedical journals — 2,000 out of tens of millions published in the past four decades -- is growing. The rate has jumped 10 fold in the past 37 years.”
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/01/14...

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Note this key point from the text:“The study reviewed 2,047 retracted biomedical and life-science research articles dating back to 1973 and found that the biggest reason for their retraction wasn't honest error but fraud.”

The key word there is “fraud.”

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-Skeptic- wrote:
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God isn't real and lying about atheists isn't going to make it real.
LOL.

LMAO.

(see below):

My response to you was as original as your comment to me.

See if you can rent out the vacant square footage in your head. You could make a fortune!

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Oct 10, 2012
 
From Global Post (10/01/12):

“Scientific journals plagued by fraud cases, says new study”

“The study found that over two thirds of the journal articles retracted over the last four decades were due to various transgressions rather than simple mistakes.”

Fraud is the main reason for retractions in scientific journals says a new study.

The study found that over two thirds of the journal articles retracted over the last four decades were due to various transgressions rather than simple mistakes.

"We found something that is very disturbing," said study co-author Arturo Casadevall, of New York's Albert Einstein College of Medicine, reported NPR.

continued:
“The findings were published by Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.”

continued:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/scien...

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Don't miss this key point:
“Fraud is the main reason for retractions in scientific journals says a new study.”

Other key point that was made:“ scientific journals plagued by fraud”

How disturbing these facts must be to atheistic faith, even though they are the last to admit it!

And if corrupt scientists get away with it today, with all the “peer groups” they have to “review” their work (which really isn't working)- just imagine how much fraud they got away with in the days of Darwin and Haeckel!

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Oct 10, 2012
 
From Wikipedia:

Andrew Jeremy Wakefield (born 1957) is a British former surgeon and medical researcher, known for his fraudulent 1998 research paper in support of the now-discredited claim that there is a link between the administration of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine and the appearance of autism and bowel disease.

story here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

COMMENT: KEY WORD - "FRAUDULENT". It wasn't a mistake, it was fraud.

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The Religion Of Atheism

“A person's religion is the sum total of his beliefs about God and the supernatural. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are the three largest "monotheistic" religions, with belief one God, Creator Of The Universe.

Some religions are "polytheistic," with belief in many gods, each with different functions.

Atheism is the religion whose belief about God is that there is no God.

Some Atheists, for their own political reasons, assert that Atheism is not a religion but instead is the total absence of religion. This allows them to spread their Atheistic beliefs freely in societies which insist on "separation of church and state."

But this is like saying that "black," (which physicists define as the total absence of color) is not a color. A few years ago, the car I drove was a big, old Chevrolet, whose color was black. In common practice throughout the world, "black" is understood to be a color, despite the technical definition of the physicists. Likewise, "Atheism" is a religion, despite any technical definitions to the contrary.

If black is a color, then Atheism is a religion.”

[Poster's insert: Court rules atheism a religion
http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/ ]

If Atheism is a religion, then it must be subject to the same legal restrictions imposed by governments on all other religions. In particular, in the United States, the teaching of Atheism must be prohibited wherever the teaching of Christianity is prohibited.

But where is Atheism being taught? Atheism is being taught, by default, in all places where other religions cannot be taught, particularly in the public schools.”

[Poster's insert: This means atheists are dictating their religious beliefs in our schools.]

“When the State mandates that the Theory of Evolution be taught as fact, that is establishing the religion of Atheism, because the Theory of Evolution asserts that all life forms are created not by God, but by pre-existing natural processes. This is pure Atheism! If we are not created by God, then there might as well be no God, for all the difference He makes.

The mere fact that many scientists are Atheists does not entitle them to establish Atheism as our State Religion!

When the State prohibits free discussion of God in the classroom, that is establishing the religion of Atheism. Wherever the State permits Atheistic ideas to be spread but prohibits Theistic ideas, that is establishing the religion of Atheism.

Therefore I urge you to understand clearly in your mind that Atheism is a religion, just as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are religions. And any restrictions placed on Christianity, Judaism, or Islam must also be placed on Atheism. Atheism must not be allowed to slip through its little loophole any longer, by pretending it is not a religion.”
http://patriot.net/~bmcgin/atheismisareligion...

“ecrasez l'infame”

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derek4 wrote:
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Atheism is a religion which places it's faith in science instead of God (or "gods").
How atheists hate the word FAITH - but faith (in the evidence of science) is one of their strong points. Science is really all they have to support their godless religion.
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Not true. Atheism is simply "not theism", nothing more. You can rant and whine all you want, but it doesn't change anything.

Atheists may or MAY NOT trust in science, but you are attempting the fallacy of equivocation when you erroneously substitute one definition of "faith" for another.

Scientists NEVER have "faith" in science. Scientists have varying levels of confidence in the results of science in direct proportion to the preponderance of evidence available.

Your fear of science is simply and obviously a fear born of ignorance of science. It's pitiful to see a person such as you who has been so horribly uneducated that you fear knowledge so much.

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derek4 wrote:
The Religion Of Atheism
“A person's religion is the sum total of his beliefs about God and the supernatural. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are the three largest "monotheistic" religions, with belief one God, Creator Of The Universe.
Some religions are "polytheistic," with belief in many gods, each with different functions.
Atheism is the religion whose belief about God is that there is no God.
Some Atheists, for their own political reasons, assert that Atheism is not a religion but instead is the total absence of religion. This allows them to spread their Atheistic beliefs freely in societies which insist on "separation of church and state."
But this is like saying that "black," (which physicists define as the total absence of color) is not a color. A few years ago, the car I drove was a big, old Chevrolet, whose color was black. In common practice throughout the world, "black" is understood to be a color, despite the technical definition of the physicists. Likewise, "Atheism" is a religion, despite any technical definitions to the contrary.
If black is a color, then Atheism is a religion.”
[Poster's insert: Court rules atheism a religion
http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/ ]
If Atheism is a religion, then it must be subject to the same legal restrictions imposed by governments on all other religions. In particular, in the United States, the teaching of Atheism must be prohibited wherever the teaching of Christianity is prohibited.
But where is Atheism being taught? Atheism is being taught, by default, in all places where other religions cannot be taught, particularly in the public schools.”
[Poster's insert: This means atheists are dictating their religious beliefs in our schools.]
“When the State mandates that the Theory of Evolution be taught as fact, that is establishing the religion of Atheism, because the Theory of Evolution asserts that all life forms are created not by God, but by pre-existing natural processes. This is pure Atheism! If we are not created by God, then there might as well be no God, for all the difference He makes.
The mere fact that many scientists are Atheists does not entitle them to establish Atheism as our State Religion!
When the State prohibits free discussion of God in the classroom, that is establishing the religion of Atheism. Wherever the State permits Atheistic ideas to be spread but prohibits Theistic ideas, that is establishing the religion of Atheism.
Therefore I urge you to understand clearly in your mind that Atheism is a religion, just as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are religions. And any restrictions placed on Christianity, Judaism, or Islam must also be placed on Atheism. Atheism must not be allowed to slip through its little loophole any longer, by pretending it is not a religion.”
1. Religion: "(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance". In spite of you lame attempt to make up your own definition.

2. Black is the ABSENCE OF COLORS OF LIGHT. Again it's basic science, which is obviously beyond you.

3. SECULARISM is the absence of religion, atheism is the absence of belief in deities.

4. The biological theory of evolution is our only working model of how biology on this planet functions. It is NOT taught as "fact" nor does it in any way insinuate that there is or is not any deities. Every major religion has accepted our current understanding of how biology works, it is just those that are to simple minded to understand basic science that have an irrational fear of biological evolution.

4. We are a multi-cultural country. If we allow a discussion of religion in our classrooms, we have to allow for ALL religions to be heard. Each family has their homes and their religious edifices to instruct their children on their particular faith.

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Not true. Atheism is simply "not theism", nothing more. You can rant and whine all you want, but it doesn't change anything.
Atheists may or MAY NOT trust in science, but you are attempting the fallacy of equivocation when you erroneously substitute one definition of "faith" for another.
Scientists NEVER have "faith" in science. Scientists have varying levels of confidence in the results of science in direct proportion to the preponderance of evidence available.
Your fear of science is simply and obviously a fear born of ignorance of science. It's pitiful to see a person such as you who has been so horribly uneducated that you fear knowledge so much.
Atheists trust in science and believe the theory of evolution is fact. Point to one who doesn't.

Ranting and whining is your expertise.

Did you really think before you wrote this (?):“Scientists NEVER have "faith" in science.”

So they don't believe in their own field of work and knowledge? So they know, as I do, that science and / or the “evidence” is not worthy of faith, confidence, or trust, yet they continue to participate in something which isn't credible? I see. If they have been reading the news stories I've seen, it's little wonder they see it as deeply flawed, therefore not worthy of confidence. Maybe they are catching on.

You have expressed extravagant faith in science. You have expressed your faith that the peer review system catches the errors, in spite of the hundreds, if not thousands of scientific articles which say it does not. I've posted maybe a hundred on this very forum which prove my point.

“Judging by analyses showing that the number of retractions during the past ten years has skyrocketed, it is reasonable to conclude that the self-regulating peer review system suffers from serious underlying defects.”
http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/846/94/

I have no “fear” of science (unless I was taking some of the new medications on the market produced by fraudulent scientists – in which case I might indeed be afraid) because I do not place my faith and confidence in science, as you do.

Yes, you are indeed pitiful and transparent, as you lamely try and fail to defend your faith.

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Nice to see the new report showing the huge spike in non religious people age 30 and younger here in the US. No wonder the religious crowd are freaking out!

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Hedonist wrote:
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1. Religion: "(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance". In spite of you lame attempt to make up your own definition.
2. Black is the ABSENCE OF COLORS OF LIGHT. Again it's basic science, which is obviously beyond you.
3. SECULARISM is the absence of religion, atheism is the absence of belief in deities.
4. The biological theory of evolution is our only working model of how biology on this planet functions. It is NOT taught as "fact" nor does it in any way insinuate that there is or is not any deities. Every major religion has accepted our current understanding of how biology works, it is just those that are to simple minded to understand basic science that have an irrational fear of biological evolution.
4. We are a multi-cultural country. If we allow a discussion of religion in our classrooms, we have to allow for ALL religions to be heard. Each family has their homes and their religious edifices to instruct their children on their particular faith.
To #1 on your list, you omitted and stopped short of definition #4 of religion in the Merriam-Webster link I provided for you:“According to Websters Dictionary online (2012), one of the definitions of ‘religion’ is:“a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith”: see #4, here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rel...

Further elaboration was included with my original post where the definition appeared.

There is no need for me to readdress your other points since they were already covered with my original post, which you didn't comprehend.

Enjoy your godless, atheistic religion, but stop trying to dictate your religion -“The Religion Of Atheism.”

As previously posted,“A person's religion is the sum total of his beliefs about God and the supernatural. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are the three largest "monotheistic" religions, with belief one God, Creator Of The Universe. Some religions are "polytheistic," with belief in many gods, each with different functions. Atheism is the religion whose belief about God is that there is no God.”[link for quotes was provided in original post]

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We are a multi-cultural country. If we allow a discussion of religion in our classrooms, we have to allow for ALL religions to be heard.
The religion of atheism as it relates to the flawed theory of evolution is already being taught in our classrooms. As you say, we are a multi-cultural country, but your beliefs are being dictated to our students.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Nice to see the new report showing the huge spike in non religious people age 30 and younger here in the US. No wonder the religious crowd are freaking out!
Bible prophesy in the making confirms my faith, and the faith of your grandma.

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There are several cases of scientific misconduct that has hit the media since the 1980’s that has shed some light on the reality of the situation, but to say that scientific misconduct has only really been around since the 1980’s would be false. It is estimated that some of the greatest minds in science have either fabricated results, or skewed data to support their theories.
Take a look at these examples:
"Isaac Newton may have adjusted calculations to fit observations."
"Gregor Mendel's results with pea plants were cleaner than what is observed experimentally, indicating that he might have changed the data."
"Robert Millikan, in a research paper describing the charge of an electron, failed to mention that he eliminated some data points."
[Citations: Columbia University]
If these folks would have published today their research may have been pulled and they would have lost all credibility.
http://www.experiment-resources.com/scientifi...

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