Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Press

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Oct 9, 2012
 
derek4 wrote:
Spirituality May Help People Live Longer
As a Christian, you know nothing about spirituality, which has nothing to do with spirits or ghosts. Spirituality is a psychological experience, and a way of looking at nature. It's cardinal features are a sense of mystery, of awe, of gratitude, and of connectivity with man, life and the world.

There is nothing spiritual in Christian dogma, which is antithetical to that. Christianity teaches that man is horribly flawed, as is all matter. It teaches that man is wretched, and should feel grateful that his creator will even stomach his presence and not torture him for eternity. You call that love. You sneer when you use the phrases "of the flesh" and "worldly," as if we man is filth and so is his world.

A mature sense of spirituality, a gift of evolution, is a rich and robust experience. It is a wonderful feeling, and its expression and experience should be nurtured for its own sake.

With authentic spirituality, one understands that he is only experiencing one's own mind, as we do when we experience lust, humor, beauty, goodness, or value in something. This is my world, my planet, and my species. None are the garbage that your religion teaches that they are. As usual, your priests have mangled this matter, and sucked the life out of this for you in order to control you.

Your dogma blights mankind. It extinguishges authentic spirituality. We have better ideas - a better vision. We always have.

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Oct 9, 2012
 
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Go to Church, Live Longer
It just feels longer.

Besides, when you subtract out the thousands of hours reading ancient goatherd fairy tales, muttering at the ceiling fan, and listening to mind numbing sermons every Sunday morning, your useful life is dramatically reduced.

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It was interesting in 2001, how many folks who had sort of "let go" of their faith suddenly called on God after the twin towers fell. That was 11 years ago
And you've been praying "God bless America" from your car bumpers ever since. How's that working out?

Christianity teaches a slave's philosophy that feeds on fear and suffering. That's why you do so much better on Skid Row and Death Row than Restaurant Row. You do better with losers than winners. Your cockroach spokesmen like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell thrive in despair like that. Here's what those vermin said on television after 9/11:

[1] "And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the Pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way - all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.' " - Jerry Falwell

[2] Robertson responded: "Well, I totally concur ... We have insulted God at the highest level of our government. Then, we say,'Why does this happen?' It is happening because God Almighty is lifting His protection from us. Once that protection is gone, we are vulnerable because we are a free society." - Pat Robertson Robertson

Are you proud of that? Do you agree with it? I'll bet you do.

America will be a better nation when we can teach enough Americans to rise above such fear mongering and demagoguery, and reject filth like that.

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"There are many hypotheses in science which are wrong. That's perfectly all right; they're the aperture to finding out what's right. Science is a self-correcting process. To be accepted, new ideas must survive the most rigorous standards of evidence and scrutiny." ~ Carl Sagan

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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It just feels longer.
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LOL. What a hoot.

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derek4 wrote:
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Let me ask you, since you rambled on without any real focus -....
You're lying.

Why do Christians lie?

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I often wonder, when I see meaningless posts like post 2686 (above) what the point to them is? Obviously, they are just someone's fat mouth “shooting off”. They are flat – they go nowhere – they have no substance – they are simply elementary grade level opinions, expressed in a childish manner. They are garbage fillers in the forum that just need to be thrown out with the dirty bathwater.
With all of today's technology in place to catch frauds and misconduct, science still fails us every day – how much more so over 100 years ago when the Darwin gang perpetrated their many frauds and myths of how our world began, lol.
No. They point out the dishonesty of posters like you.

Do we need to go over this again?

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We applaud....
"We"?

You got a mouse in your pocket, fool?

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Hedonist wrote:
"There are many hypotheses in science which are wrong. That's perfectly all right; they're the aperture to finding out what's right. Science is a self-correcting process. To be accepted, new ideas must survive the most rigorous standards of evidence and scrutiny." ~ Carl Sagan
Bam!

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<quoted text>Actually, atheists don't believe in a god.

As for scientific accuracy, I'm sure there are as many different viewpoints as there are atheists.
Athiest is a Religion.

You must believe with out proof that God does not exist.

Believe with out proof is faith.

The dictionary says the word Religion can be substituted for the word Faith.

So you are here Preaching your religion.

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Just Think wrote:
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And yet you obviously don't understand it. How sad for you.
The sadness all belongs on your back for being a simpleton atheist who thinks there is anything profound to understand about your idiotic comment that atheists don't believe in a god. It's just typical of your brain dead thinking.

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derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>We applaud you for your valuable contribution to the forum, and your enlightening observation informing us that “atheists don't believe in a god.” We had never heard that before.
Wow really? They don't believe in God?

Atheist claim all humans are born atheist. "Links can be provided"
This would mean that atheist have at one time 100% of the human population

So atheist start by default at 100%
Wikipedia states that the percent of the current world population that is Atheist is 2.3%. That would mean atheist have lost 97.7% of their congregation.

Now Theist start out at 0% of the population. And is currently at 97.7% of the world population.

Note to Atheist: you're losing your flock!
There not walking away they are running from you. 97.7%

Ouch!!!!!

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Khatru wrote:
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Saying evolution is a fraud is the best you people can do.
Unfortunately for you, there is no scientific evidence you have for your abracadbra alternative. Contrast that with the wealth of evidence that exists for evolution.
This leaves you in the sad and unenviable position of trying to cheapen science by attempting to get it down to the gutter-level of your religion.
What good is a wealth of fraudulent scientific evidence, lol?

And there we go,“sad” again.

Funny how many times atheists use the word sad, which says a lot about how they feel most of the time.

Like I told you once before, science has done a beautiful job of cheapening itself with no help from me.

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Nope
The problem is that the god of the Bible is a terrible communicator.
The CEO of any company needs to communicate effectively with his people. If a company is in a mess and people aren't getting the message then the buck stops with the CEO.
Why should an omniscient god be wholly exonerated of blame when he fails to ensure that his message is clearly understood? You've only got to look at the numerous different bibles that are out there to see that whatever the god of the Christians thinks, he doesn't seem too perturbed about the confused message he's sending out. Factor that in with thousands of different Christian denominations, sects and cults, all sure that their particular interpretation of whatever bible they choose to read is the true belief and you have a recipe for confusion.
Sorry you can't comprehend the Bible. You should get someone who is informed to help you. Try a minister.

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Khatru wrote:
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Those terrorists where anything but godless.
No doubt they prayed to Allah to ensure the success of their mission and secure their martyrdom.
Looks like Allah answered their prayers.
Perhaps you people are right - maybe prayer does work after all.
Did Allah answer your prayers too, as you probably rejoiced along with the terrorists over the godless killings? The God I serve did not answer the prayers of the terrorists. That's why I don't believe in false gods (i.e., Allah). To believe in a false god is to be godless. Actually the spelling should be Godless in this case.

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Actually the origin is from Dr. Richard Dawkins -- "Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings" But I was just working on the idea and not on a specific quote, I did not know about others who have also paraphrased this idea.
And I do NOT disrespect any Americans. I served my country in the USAF during Nam. But I do disrespect religious faith. It is far too often used to incite people to violence that they would not otherwise do.
You did not use the Dawkins quote in your original post I replied to. Your original post said,“Faith may not move mountains, but we have all seen what it can do to skyscrapers”, which is different from the quote you posted the second time around. You deceitfully imply both quotes are synonymous.

We will never know if you were aware someone else had already beat you to your original quote.

Altough I have no respect for Richard Dawkins, I don't really think I have any problem with the quote you are attributing to him, "Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings", since the Dawkins quote (if he really said that – I haven't verified it) has a completely different meaning from the quote in your original post.

Scientists contributed greatly to developing the means to go to the moon, and religion inspired terrorists to fly planes into the twin towers. It was the wrong religion. Religion is a word that encompasses many beliefs - many of which are false beliefs that do not represent the God of the Bible whom is served by Christians. Christians did not blow up the twin towers. The verse in the Bible which is implied by the first post was inappropriate and does not apply to the situation or the God of the Bible. Your respect or lack of respect for religious faith isn't relevant to the objection.

Your service in the military is appreciated, as would be your respect for the thousands of innocents who died in the twin towers, many of whom hold different beliefs than yours. You are obviously lacking in that respect when you post a quote which is a sick joke with black comic overtones against one of the greatest tragedies our nation has ever experienced. Your post was disgusting.

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Faith may not move mountains, but we have all seen what it can do to skyscrapers.
Note the failed attempt to link Christians to 911.

What jerk. But if course we all know how low atheist will go.

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Hedonist wrote:
"There are many hypotheses in science which are wrong. That's perfectly all right; they're the aperture to finding out what's right. Science is a self-correcting process. To be accepted, new ideas must survive the most rigorous standards of evidence and scrutiny." ~ Carl Sagan
There are many quotes attributed to Mr. Sagan which are worthy. This isn't one of them, since it's based on a huge misconception of his, which you share.

The self-correcting (peer review) system has failed us. I have made many posts about this which you willfully ignore. One of them says,“the self-regulating peer review system suffers from serious underlying defects.”

“Retractions from journals are not routine occurrences--journal editors are extremely reluctant to retract articles, a tacit acknowledgment of their own gate-keeping failure--and fear of reprisals from the sponsors of those retracted trial reports. Many journals don’t even have retraction policies, and the ones that do publish critical notices of retraction long after the original paper appeared—without providing explicit information as to why they are being retracted.

Judging by analyses showing that the number of retractions during the past ten years has skyrocketed, it is reasonable to conclude that the self-regulating peer review system suffers from serious underlying defects.”
http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/846/94/

And this from:

“Deception and Fraud in the Publication of Scientific Research: Are There Solutions?”
found within the text:
“... existing peer review systems probably cannot detect anything but the most obvious fraud.”
http://scholarworks.umass.edu/intljssw/vol1/i...

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Langoliers wrote:
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Note the failed attempt to link Christians to 911.
What jerk. But if course we all know how low atheist will go.
Yes, that's atheist "honesty" for you, lol.

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Why do Christians lie?
I wouldn't know. Find one who lied and ask them.

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