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[AmericasBestChri stian]

Langoliers wrote:

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And most human confuse atheist with Satanic worshipers. Oh never mind, I guess their correct with that one.

I thought all you Mormons had died in Waco. Fake Christians like you are closer to the Devil than the atheists. It's easier to convert an atheist to the ONE TRUE God who inseminated Bethlehem's jizz rag, Mary, when she opened her legs to a glorious impregnation, than it is to get a MORMON to take off his occult MORMON magic underwear or as they call it: temple undergarments.

FAKE Christians like you believe all sorts of heresy. If you read the King James PROTESTANT Bible, you'll see that salvation isn't about believing in "GOD", it's about believing in the RIGHT GOD: Yahwehjesuspigeon. Yahwehjesuspigeon, the triune God, has NOTHING to do with filthy sects like the Mormons/Morons, Cathylicks, E-piss-co-pay-lians or other pseudo-religions. Hell, Josy Smith gave you the Other Testament of Jesus Christ. We sure did need that, didn't we? I guess it's mentioned somewhere in the Gospel of John where Jesus says,“Oh, and by the way, you'll be really excited to know that I've got another Testament to give you all!” And all his followers were like,“Great news, Jesus, can you tell us what it is?” And Jesus said,“Well, that's the thing, it's not going to be made available to you’all for another two-thousand years.” And they all were like,“Two-thousand more years? What good is that gonna do us?” And Jesus said something like,“You know? You're right, it's not gonna do you any good. In fact, I’ll be seein’ ya, I got better things to do till then.” And the followers said,“But, what about us?” And Jesus shrugged his shoulders and said,“Well, tough luck, I guess.”

Abandon your heresy, believe in the RIGHT GOD and be SAVED!

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[It aint necessarily so]

KJV wrote:

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You have failed to show me your claim of me stealing someone else's work.
So I must file that in the super huge file labeled atheist lies.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t0...
"Fulfilled Prophecies
The remarkable evidence of fulfilled prophecy is just one case in point. Hundreds of Bible prophecies have been fulfilled, specifically and meticulously, often long after the prophetic writer had passed away.
For example, Daniel the prophet predicted in about 538 BC (Daniel 9:24-27) that Christ would come as Israel's promised Savior and Prince 483 years after the Persian emperor would give the Jews authority to rebuild Jerusalem, which was then in ruins.

This was clearly and definitely fulfilled, hundreds of years later.

I don't think so. Biblical prophecy is very unimpressive, especially compared to scientific prophecy. The characteristics of prophecy that would convince a skeptic :

It would need to be specific - that is, detailed and unambiguous. The highest quality prophecy specifies the time and place.

It needs to prophecy something surprising, something unlikely or unique, something that could not have been contrived, and was not self-fulfilling.

And the prophecies need to be verified, fulfilled completely, predict something that definitely occurred subsequently, and unaccompanied by failed prophecies.

Scientific prophecy is the only known prophecy to meet these exacting standards. Do you know the story of Eddington and the eclipse? Einstein's theory predicted that gravity would bend light, a previously unsuspected truth. He predicted that starlight grazing close to the edge of the sun on the way from its star to the earth would be bent by the sun as it passed close to it, making the star appear to be a little out of position. That is, it would appear to be a little further from the sun than it was known to be.

But you cant see stars right beside the sun in broad daylight - unless the sun is eclipsed and darkness appears midday. Eddington arranged to photograph a total solar eclipse, and a star that was known to be in a position that should cause it appear to be right beside the sun, to see if its apparent position was altered by gravity.

From Wiki : "Einstein became the first to calculate the correct value for light bending. The first observation of light deflection was performed by noting the change in position of stars as they passed near the Sun on the celestial sphere. "The observations were performed in 1919 by Arthur Eddington and his collaborators during a total solar eclipse, so that the stars near the Sun could be observed.

"Observations were made simultaneously in the cities of Sobral, Ceará, Brazil and in São Tomé and Príncipe on the west coast of Africa. The result was considered spectacular news ... It made Einstein and his theory of general relativity world famous.

"When asked by his assistant what his reaction would have been if general relativity had not been confirmed ... Einstein said "Then I would feel sorry for the dear Lord. The theory is correct anyway."

Then there's the Higgs boson. The prophets said that if one looked at a specific energy level in a specific way, that one would find it there. So well respected were these prophets that several billion Euros were allocated to building the LHC. And lo and behold, a new particle was born unto us.

The church would be shouting to high heaven over fulfilled prophecy of that quality if it had any. Scientists don't. It was just another day.

“Think of how many religions attempt to validate themselves with prophecy. Think of how many people rely on these prophecies, however vague, however unfulfilled, to support or prop up their beliefs. Yet has there ever been a religion with the prophetic accuracy and reliability of science?”- Carl Sagan

[It aint necessarily so]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Speaking of Noah could you imagine the happy day when his granddaughter gave birth to an Eskimo?

That's pretty funny.

[Chess Jurist]

derek4 wrote:

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You failed again.
The Darwin quote I posted is a stand alone quote exactly as I posted it on links all over the internet....
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Repeating your dishonesty just makes you more dishonest, child.

The actual Darwin quote is here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

Lying for Jesus is just lying. Lying for Jesus repeatedly may require professional intervention.

[Chess Jurist]

derek4 wrote:

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This is a re-post:
All idiots like yourself who post the same tired objection to something I've already addressed will receive the same answer I originally gave, since nothing has changed since my original post. So here it is:
Lol – No dishonesty from me. The Darwin quotation you are objecting to was found here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6086650/EVOLUTION-C...
It was also found on other web pages. In fact, it's all over the internet, exactly as I copied and pasted it:“Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy.”
Should you wish to dispute the quotation or the authenticity of it, you need to contact the web pages, not me. You have your work cut out for you, since there are many, many web pages which publish the quote just as I posted it, but I'm sure they will all be delighted to hear from you. I have no interest in your post, but maybe one of the web page publishers will offer you a position on their editorial staff; lmao.

Let's translate: If Christians repeat the lie enough, it must be true.

The actual text:

Darwin wrote:

<quoted text>You seemed to have worked admirably on the species question; there could not have been a better plan than reading up on the opposite side. I rejoice profoundly that you intend admitting the doctrine of modification in your new edition;* nothing, I am convinced, could be more important for its success. I honour you most sincerely. To have maintained in the position of a master, one side of a question for thirty years, and then deliberately give it up, is a fact to which I much doubt whether the records of science offer a parallel. For myself, also, I rejoice profoundly; for, thinking of so many cases of men pursuing an illusion for years, often and often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may not have devoted my life to a phantasy. Now I look at it as morally impossible that investigators of truth, like you and Hooker, can be wholly wrong, and therefore I rest in peace. Thank you for criticisms, which, if there be a second edition, I will attend to. I have been thinking that if I am much execrated as an atheist, etc., whether the admission of the doctrine of natural selection could injure your works; but I hope and think not, for as far as I can remember, the virulence of bigotry is expended on the first offender, and those who adopt his views are only pitied as deluded, by the wise and cheerful bigots.

Darwin, Charles, Darwin, Francis, ed., Selected Letters on Evolution and Origin of Species (Courier Dover Publications' 1958 edition), pp. 224-5.

Why do Christians lie?

[Chess Jurist]

derek4 wrote:

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I will try to help you with your grammar, which will undoubtedly be a pointless exercise....

It is pointless because you don't know the difference between an en and an em dash.

derek4 wrote:

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The dash is used as a separation mark in a sentence. It is unnecessary to use two dashes, nor were any examples found where two dashes were used TOGETHER (consecutively) to serve their purpose in a sentence. You used two dashes together in the sentence which we posted back and forth to each other about. Here is your sentence which you continue to defend:“And, yes, your fascination with -- and reliance on -- dishonesty has already been noted.”[You used two dashes after the word with and two dashes after the word on.]
Why would you put two dashes together? Do you feel more comfortable going against the grain of standard grammatical use of the dash? Do you feel two dashes were necessary instead of one? Why? How do two dashes and then two more in the same sentence accomplish anything more than if you had just used one dash in each place?
This from Wiki:
“How to Use a Dash in an English Sentence”
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Dash-in-an-Engli...
This from Harvard:
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~wricntr/documents...
The burden of providing a link authorizing two dashes as you used them is up to you. Since no link has been found stating it is acceptable to use them as you did, it is assumed to be incorrect.
If you can find a reputable grammar source which supports your use of double dashes, you are welcome to post it and I will extend my apology. Until and unless you do, then your sentence is wrong, since the grammar links I see do not show any examples authorizing the use of double dashes together.
If you wish to continue rephrasing your dispute, but you have no link to support your misuse of the dash, I will not address this with you again. Expect no further reply from me on this issue.

See what I mean? Now, I recommend you learn the difference between an en and an em dash, for which the "double hyphen (--) is sometimes used" according to Dummies.com , which seems most apropos for someone who doesn't know the difference:

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/using-e...

Dummy.

[Chess Jurist]

derek4 wrote:

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By the way,I've been meaning to ask you something. Since you enjoy using two dashes side by side, why don't you put two commas side by side in your sentences, and two periods at the end of your sentences? You could start your own style, and teach Harvard a few things!(lol)
I'm telling you, it would be a great idea for you to apply for a job as editor of a scientific journal where fraudulent scientists post material. You're a joke, just like they are.

I appreciate you repeating your ignorance. After all, it is your ignorance that fuels your belief in an ancient myth.

Now, go learn the difference between an en and an em dash, goofy.

Christians. You can't take them anywhere.

[Chess Jurist]

Langoliers wrote:

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And most human confuse atheist with Satanic worshipers. Oh never mind, I guess their correct with that one.

A fool's prattle.

[It aint necessarily so]

Doctor Who Two wrote:

"It was Darwin's theory -- carried to its logical conclusion -- that led to the dead of some 11 million people at the hands of German Nazis."

Nonsense. Nobody is motivated to kill by Darwin's theory. I believe it, and have zero desire to kill, just like the millions of scientists on others educated in science who feel the same way.

What doomed those Jews was living in a Christian nation controlled by a psychopath. Hitler demagogued a culture in a way made possible by Christian culture - he convinced the Germans that exterminating the Jews was god's their will, which is easy to do.

Here's what really matters, and why we can say that Christianity failed the world again: If you were a Jew in Nazi Germany, and the only thing standing between you and the gas chambers was the quality of Christian morality, you didn't have much chance.

If you were waiting for these tens of millions of church trained Christians to stand up and say, "This is wrong! Stop, Herr Hitler!" you were a dead Jew. So what difference does it make what Hitler believed? What matters is what the German people believed, and they believed in Jesus.

If a demagogue needs to manufacture consent to perpetrate horrors, he can't do better than to have a Christian nation to work with. You just indicate that your goals are also the god's will, and you're good to go.

[Langoliers]

Amused wrote:

<quoted text>Why, yes, it is true, scientists are indeed human. In any large group of human beings, there will be a range of qualities. Some folks will be honest, some not. Just like in a large sample of priests, there will be some child molesters, or among preachers there will be the occasional Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, etc. The important message from the stories you re-posted is that due to the rigor of the scientific method, people who falsify data or otherwise use bad science GET CAUGHT. The use of peer review and other fact checking mechanisms which are an inherent part of the scientific method protect the integrity of the research. In contrast to religion, which uses no method to fact check claims of invisible men in the sky.

His exact point.
Don't just buy into it because science hangs it's flag on it. Make science earn it's spots.

[Langoliers]

Khatru wrote:

<quoted text>I was wondering whether you frequent a website called "Answers in Genesis"

I know that many believers do.

Here's what it has to say about the length of a day...

"Some creationists (especially progressive creationists) believe that the days listed in Genesis 1 are not ordinary 24-hour days, but are periods of varying length (depending on the practitioner). This allows them to make the creation account fit with secular ideas about the age of the universe. After all, the word day has several meanings even in English (as it does in the original Hebrew).

However, the account in Genesis is emphatic that the creation week consisted of six consecutive 24-hour periods, qualifying this with “morning/evening” and ordinal numbers (first, second, etc.). In fact, this was the general understanding of the account until recent times, when anti-biblical ideas crept into the church."

The Bible is unambiguous when it gives the ratio of the circumference of the circle to its diameter as 3.

All these explanations do is to try and convince the reader that the plain meaning of the text is not the obvious one.

If the Bible doesn't really mean what it says in this scripture then it can be just as misleading in other scriptures.

I don't know about Doctor who II but that is a very good point that a lot Christian agree with you on. I don't. I believe a day is a day and not a era.

"The top Hebrew scholars all agree that the writer of Genesis 1 intended the word day to mean 24 hours. If they all agree ... then why can’t we?"

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v...

[Chess Jurist]

Langoliers wrote:

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"The top Hebrew scholars all agree that the writer of Genesis 1 intended the word day to mean 24 hours. If they all agree ... then why can’t we?"
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v...

Because you're lying.

[Langoliers]

Khatru wrote:

<quoted text>In other words....

"Uh-oh! Khatru has posted something that I can't find any copy and paste apologetics for. This means that in order to refute him I'll need to try and think for myself which I can't possibly do.

I know, I'll completely ignore the points he raises and respond by calling him names. That's the Christian way."

"KJV wrote:
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"The books that make up the Old Testament belong to the Jews"

Puppet boy, do even have a clue how stupid your statement is?

The Christian faith is the only faith with the Old Testament! Jews don't call those books the Old Testament.

Now you might want to write this down and bring it to your professor. One can not steal a religion. It's impossible!

Your statements are nothing more then Satan's puppet lies!

[Langoliers]

Khatru wrote:

<quoted text>You really shouldn't assess people the same way you assess yourself, otherwise everyone you meet is going to be a huge disappointment.

He is correct in his assessment of you. You are a Dolt, Clodhopper, idiot, moron, and a fool. You post lie after lie you claim God is a murderer and cruel parent then claim there is no God. You claim Christian stole the Old Testament, these claims are so childish they really don't deserve a response, and provide plenty of proof to KJV assessment of you.

You are a fumbling bumbling fool and a disgrace to your clan. You have a wooden head filled of termites.

It's time to go get more help on this thread because your AZZ has been handed to you and all your buddy.

You are not up to the task!

[Langoliers]

Khatru wrote:

<quoted text>Zombies come back from the dead.

The Jesus zombie came back from the dead approximately 2000 years ago.

Jesus is a 2000 year old zombie who is sitting around in some alternative dimension.

Tell me, are you in telepathic communication with him?

10 year old level debate. Grow up or get out.

[Langoliers]

Khatru wrote:

<quoted text>If you're a Christian you don't just get to drink the blood of your god - you get to eat him too!

That's batshit crazy!

Lost another year you're now down to 9 year old level.

[Chess Jurist]

Langoliers wrote:

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"KJV wrote:
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"The books that make up the Old Testament belong to the Jews"
Puppet boy, do even have a clue how stupid your statement is?
The Christian faith is the only faith with the Old Testament! Jews don't call those books the Old Testament.
Now you might want to write this down and bring it to your professor. One can not steal a religion. It's impossible!
Your statements are nothing more then Satan's puppet lies!

Take a deep breath, back away from the keyboard slowly, and ask forgiveness for stealing the Jewish god.

Personally, I don't blame you; I blame Paul.

[Chess Jurist]

Langoliers wrote:

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Lost another year you're now down to 9 year old level.

A 9 year old just for noticing the Eucharist?

Catholic priest, eh?

[Langoliers]

Givemeliberty wrote:

<quoted text>In a desperate attempt to get more followers Jesus now has to resort to appearing in a Dog's butthole!

http://christwire.org/2012/07/jesus-christ-ap...

How many Christians are lining up on pilgrimages to eat that version of their savior? Lmfao!!

The owner could charge believers to kiss the dog's butthole or pray to it saying it could only help them get to heaven!

"Khatru wrote:
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If you're a Christian you don't just get to drink the blood of your god - you get to eat him too!
That's batshit crazy!"

Yet another uninformed lie out of the mouth of atheist. Puppet boy is completely clue less about Christians!

Not all Christian faiths have communion

What an idiot!

[Langoliers]

Khatru wrote:

<quoted text>Ah, I see.

You're one of those people who believe that everything was just magicked into existence?

What I sometimes refer to as the abracadbra method of creation.

Well he beats you! You appear not to think at all.
Your attempt to respond to each and every post has shown us all just how true the statement ( keep your mouth shut and hide your ignorance or open your mouth and show everyone just how stupid you are ). We can all see the latter in your case.