Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Press

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Oct 6, 2012
 
Scientific journals publish 20,000 fraudulent papers every year
Annalee Newitz
Writing in Nature, science journalist Colin Macilwain exposes a little-known fact about articles published in reputable scientific journals. Every year, 20,000 of them are fraudulent. Scientists fudge their work in these papers about 1% of the time, and it adds up. But now, science institutions are starting to be more skeptical about what their researchers publish, and many countries are pushing for better scientific misconduct investigations.
http://io9.com/5931011/scientific-journals-pu...

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Oct 6, 2012
 
God teleported people all over the earth changing their skills, nationalities and belief in him? Something later he would damn them for?

Rotflmfao!
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God did it at the tower of Babble!
Done!
How was that?

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Oct 6, 2012
 
I think you meant to say you're a joke. Again I am about progress and loving peacefully something you don't agree with.
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In case you didn't understand me, I more or less said you're joke! Frighting? No not even close.

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Oct 6, 2012
 
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"Evolution's Fatal Fruit: How Darwin's Tree of Life Brought Death to Millions"
by Tom DeRosa
(Coral Ridge Ministries, 2006).
Tom DeRosa is a former atheist and evolutionist who now serves as Executive Director of the Creation Studies Instute, a creation outreach affiliated with Coral Ridge Ministries (D. James Kennedy).
Here are some quotes about evolution from "Evolution's Fatal Fruit: How Darwin's Tree of Life Brought Death to Millions" by Tom DeRosa (Coral Ridge Ministries, 2006).
The following quotes are from the Foreword:
"Evolution 'liberates' man to do as he wishes -- and to whom he chooses. Charles Darwin understood this. He wrote in his "Autobiography" that one who rejects God 'can have for his rule of life, as far as I can see, only to follow those impulses and instincts which are the strongest or which seem to him the best ones." (p. 7)
"It was Darwin's theory -- carried to its logical conclusion -- that led to the dead of some 11 million people at the hands of German Nazis. Hitler was a devout evolutionist. He instructed his troops in evolution and had them provided with books by Darwin and Friedrich Nietzsche." (p. 8) "Hitler tried to speed up evolution -- to help it along.'The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist,'
British evolutionist Sir Arthur Keith wrote in the 1940s.'He has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.' And millions suffered and died in unspeakable manners because of it. Keith also said in his book,'Evolution and Ethics,' that 'The leader of Germany is an evolutionist not only in theory, but, as millions know to their cost, in the rigor of its practice.'" (pp. 8-9)
Marx, the founder of communism, found in evolution exactly what he needed: a pseudo-scientific foundation for his godless worldview. Marx wrote Friedrich Engels that Darwin's 'Origin'β€œis the book which contains the basis in natural history for our view." (p. 9)
"Communist henchman Josef Stalin became an atheist as a young man, while reading Darwin in seminary." (p. 9)"
And that has what bearing, on Hitler being a Christain?

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Oct 6, 2012
 
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Hitler was not a Christain or a Christian. I have zero interest in your spelling problems or your other problems, but as for Hitler, you will get the same answer any and every time in one form or another any time you want to say Hitler was a Christian. This is not open to dispute, since Hitler was not a Christian.
Was Hitler a Christian?
October 30, 1999
Dear Straight Dope:
In my numerous online debates in various chatrooms, I have learned the following: many Christians seem to think that Adolf Hitler was an atheist (or at least wasn't "Christian"). Of course I and my fellow atheists know better, as Hitler mentions his devotion to Christianity numerous times in his writings. Can you clear this up for me? Was Hitler an "honest to God" Christian, or was he simply using religion as a means of control?- Carl Stieger
The short answer is a definite "maybe" or, more precisely, "probably neither." The looooong answer is somewhat more complicated.
You are right that Hitler did mention Christianity many times in his writings. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he claimed to be a Christian. But Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.
First, let's look at what he said that seems to put him on the anti-Christian side:
According to a press release from Catholic League President, William A. Donohue (2/4/99): "Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.'"
[further down, within the text:]
“... atheists looking for a quick cheap-shot may claim Hitler was a Christian; similarly, Christians looking for a quick shot may claim he was an atheist. Know what? Hitler was a vegetarian! Oooh, those evil vegetarians! He also recommended that parents give their children milk to drink instead of beer and started the first anti-smoking campaign.(So by the "reasoning" used in these types of arguments, if you are truly anti-Hitler, you should smoke heavily and only give your baby beer!) Better watch out, though he was an oxygen-breather, too! In other words, does it really matter whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian or whatever? Just because somebody may hold a particular worldview (along with other views) doesn't make him a spokesman for that view, or even remotely representative of others who hold that view.”
continued:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699...
It most definitely is not in dispute. No mater how you or anyone else tries to spin it, the man himself, said all that needs to be said.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" -- Adolf Hitler

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No need, you twist the bible words to try and make it look as if God doesn't know what Pi is. I know better.
He doesn't know what insects are, and he doesn't know that bats have mammary glands.

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KJV wrote:
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"The Bible gives the ratio for Pi as three.
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Where?
Right here...

"And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about."

1 Kings, 7:23

Your comical cut and paste apologetics do nothing to change what the Bible says.

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You choose to use measurement to try and prove you worthless point.
A cubit it a non fixed measurement.
"The first explanation concerns the accuracy of biblical measurements. My dictionary defines a "cubit" as "an ancient linear unit based on the length of the forearm, varying in extent, but usually from 17 to 21 inches." This is the elbow to the end of the middle finger. Even taking the midpoint as 19 inches, a diameter of 10 cubits equals 190 inches, which equals nearly 16 feet; the circumference is over 45 feet. This is a big bowl!
I measured my own cubit - with difficulty - and it is about 18 1/2 inches.
But certainly each of our cubits is not identical. Further, measuring a bowl of that size using armlengths is not likely to be precise, especially with circular measurements. Finally, it is not clear that the Biblical text required an exact measurement; a measurement that is rounded to the nearest cubit might have been fine for the purpose. We provide rounded measurements in everyday life all the time: if I ask how old you are, you probably reply with a number rounded to the nearest year, or at best to the nearest half year. And that's fine - I don't need your answer to the second. It is also not clear that the Hebrews knew about fractions. So maybe 30 and 10 and pi = 3 was just fine for the purpose at the time."
http://jerry.praxisiimath.com/pi.html
Just think - if the supreme creator being had been more specific, you wouldn't have to tie yourself up in knots with ridiculous copy and paste apologetics.

You try and draw a shape where the perimeter is three times the diameter and you won't get a circle - you'll get a regular hexagon.

I guess this basic geometry was too much for the god of the Bible to grasp.

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You really are clueless to the Christian faith.
"Hang on a minute. You're referring to the Old Testament and by your own admission, you don't follow it's rules."
What a dolt.
The Christian faith?

Which faith of the thousands of denominations, sects and cults that make up Christianity are you referring to?

For all I know, you may be a Mormon.

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KJV wrote:
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"The books that make up the Old Testament belong to the Jews, not the Christians. Those OT *prophecies*(I use the term loosely) were made by the Jews. It's their religion, not yours."
You choose to be this. Stupid.
You can't make this stuff up!
What a idiot!
LOL
In other words....

"Uh-oh! Khatru has posted something that I can't find any copy and paste apologetics for. This means that in order to refute him I'll need to try and think for myself which I can't possibly do.

I know, I'll completely ignore the points he raises and respond by calling him names. That's the Christian way."

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KJV wrote:
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No need
You're a fool, idiot, moron, Clodhopper.
You are also very entertaining. It's not everyday you find somebody this stupid that can still type. Keep up the good work.
You really shouldn't assess people the same way you assess yourself, otherwise everyone you meet is going to be a huge disappointment.

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Proof of a Dolt ----> "Of course Hitler was a Christian"
I'm surprised you're smart enough to breath.
Can't help but notice you don't disagree that Christianity has a history of anti-semitism.

Quite simply, Christians believe that Jews murdered Jesus, It's no wonder that the Jews have been the subject of intolerance, hatred and murder since the early years of the Christian Church. This led to anti-semitism becoming an integral part of Christian doctrine.

The demonising of the Jews can be seen in the Gospel of John.

The Church passed various laws and enactments which stripped away any rights that the Jews had. Christians accused the Jews of the most vile and evil crimes, leading to the insane idea of the "blood libel" - something so evil and twisted it could only have come from the Christian Church.

Try looking up "Host Desecration" if you want a laugh at further Christian stupidity and ignorance. We all know the cannibalistic side to those Christians who genuinely believed that the crackers they would eat transformed into the body of Jesus. Such was the level of Christian insanity that they believed the Jews would want to torture these crackers in an attempt to hurt the body of Christ.

Both the Blood Libel and the Host Desecration led to the deaths of thousands of Jews.

Didn't the Catholic Church charge the entire Jewish people with deicide? I'm sure that would have fired up even greater levels of hatred in those christian heads.

No wonder Hitler targeted the Jews. He was simply taking the hatred and murderous intolerance of the Christian Church to new levels of insanity.

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That's not very accurate. He said he didn't like reading about 2000 year old zombies.
But of course you knew that. You just try and slant the truth because you can't win with the truth the truth eats at your hardened heart like termites eating at your wooden head.
Zombies come back from the dead.

The Jesus zombie came back from the dead approximately 2000 years ago.

Jesus is a 2000 year old zombie who is sitting around in some alternative dimension.

Tell me, are you in telepathic communication with him?

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Givemeliberty wrote:
A sheep being led to the slaughter is what he is.
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Lol

He certainly bleats like a sheep.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes now we see the blood thirsty violent heart of a Christhole!
Tell you what I will take you up on OT of we can line up Christholes and they commit suicide for each bible prophecy that is wrong. You being first.
Jesus told young children around him that some of them would not experience death before the end came. Are there any 2000 year old people around?
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If you're a Christian you don't just get to drink the blood of your god - you get to eat him too!

That's batshit crazy!

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KJV wrote:
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No need, you twist the bible words to try and make it look as if God doesn't know what Pi is. I know better.
Who's twisting anything?

"And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about."

1 Kings, 7:23

That's exactly what the Bible (King James Version) says.

You try and make an object that's "round all about" and has a ratio of three to one for circumference:diameter

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Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know a Stalin, nor did I know Hitler. I do know that Hitler's history, was written, before you Christains got embarrassed about him, being one of your number. Adolph Hitler was a bonafide Christain.
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" -- Adolf Hitler
You're absolutely right.

Furthermore, Hitler wasn't the only Christian in Germany. In those days the vast majority of the German population were Christians. Those Christians with their mortals and ethics were all that stood between the Jews and annihilation.

When the chips were down, Christianity failed the Jews.

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Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text> Christ Stain!
I think it has been a little over a year, since I started posting "Christain", instead of Christian, and twice on this thread, and in the last 24 hours, it has been noticed.
I'm starting to think there may be hope for you lot yet, because up until now, it has only been noticed once in my 2,470 topix postings. LOL!
http://www.google.com/search...
Lol!

CHRISTAIN

It's catching on!

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Doctor Who Two wrote:
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Not sure about other but you are no more frighting then a single ant to me.
Your no prophet and the bible is not frictional.
The Bible is not frictional?

It certainly rubs a lot of people up the wrong way.

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Oct 7, 2012
 
derek4 wrote:
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Like I've informed some of your fellow dingbats, when you post a comment to me that changes nothing about my previous post and fails to negate it in any way, you get the previous post right back, so here you go:
“In other words, you don't trust Wikipedia, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Discover Magazine, Scientific American, rsm journals, The Chicago Tribune, etc (those are where most of my posts come from).
What sources support YOU? "Khatru", "Khatru", and "Khatru" ? Yee? LOl - that's what I thought. In other words, you have nothing.”
I don't believe I've ever disagreed with your posts.

They serve to highlight the fact that science is self-correcting and that it will always weed out the frauds and charlatans.

Unlike religion, which opens its arms and embraces deceit and chicanery and continually fails to correct its errors.

Religion always claims an absolute truth at the beginning and then insists that anyone who believes otherwise is evil. By doing that, religion becomes evil itself and thus abandons the path of knowledge that science still treads.

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