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No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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KJV

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#2411 Oct 6, 2012
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>Christians often confuse themselves with their deity.

Odd, huh?

Hey, you still stealing bad apologetics?
Not at all, your group is calling us 3 the same person! That would make us kind of special, being in 3 places at the same time and all that goes with that claim.
KJV

United States

#2412 Oct 6, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>So a future fiction writer reads previous vaguely worded fiction and makes up similar sounding vaguely worded crap.

Hey check this out! I say in the next five ears bad things will happen! People will suffer greatly and die! Famine will spread like wildfire across under developed countries! Anger and rage will boil over causing innocents blood to be spilled! A mighty leader will be shamed and lose power. Earthquakes and mighty storms from the ocean will obliterate life and destroy homes. Disease will ravage millions killing them as insects. Wealth seekers shall wail and mourn as their fortunes evaporate. A talented musician will commit suicide and others will die by overdose.

Let's see how many of these come true. If a majority do come true I guess I am a prophet yes?
And if not we get to stone you!

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#2413 Oct 6, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought you were going to ignore me.
Why do xtians always lie so much?
It's clear that to the xtian, intellectual dishonesty are close bedfellows.
I guess you were just as irresistible as a little peach and I couldn't resist, lol.

Since: Nov 11

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#2415 Oct 6, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha ha ha!
We all know what sort of things your information consists of.
Information like:
Talking snakes and donkeys, Pi = 3, bats are birds, rabbits chew the cud, genocide is good, dragons and cockatrices are real, subjugation of women is good, killing homosexuals is good, killing people for exercising freedom of religion is good, slavery is good, etc.
Neither do I want to read any information about the 2000 year old zombie that you're in telepathic contact with.
In other words, you don't trust Wikipedia, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Discover Magazine, Scientific American, rsm journals, The Chicago Tribune, etc (those are where most of my posts come from).

What sources support YOU? "Khatru", "Khatru", and "Khatru" ? Yee? LOl - that's what I thought. In other words, you have nothing.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#2416 Oct 6, 2012
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hitler's non-Christian staus has already been addressed daily. No additional whining and twisting from you will change the facts, so you're wasting your time replying to me. False claims that Hitler was a Christian will only produce the same standard response (below). It's not open to dispute.
Was Hitler a Christian?
"Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.'"
[further down, within the text:]
“... atheists looking for a quick cheap-shot may claim Hitler was a Christian; similarly, Christians looking for a quick shot may claim he was an atheist. Know what? Hitler was a vegetarian! Oooh, those evil vegetarians! He also recommended that parents give their children milk to drink instead of beer and started the first anti-smoking campaign.(So by the "reasoning" used in these types of arguments, if you are truly anti-Hitler, you should smoke heavily and only give your baby beer!) Better watch out, though he was an oxygen-breather, too! In other words, does it really matter whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian or whatever? Just because somebody may hold a particular worldview (along with other views) doesn't make him a spokesman for that view, or even remotely representative of others who hold that view.”
continued:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699...
Hitler was an imposter, not a Christian.... a deceiver, and not even a good one.
Did Stalin kill more people than Hitler?
Answer:
Yes, Stalin killed more, although neither ordered killing directly. They often just hinted at it.
Hitler hinted at the killling of 17 million.
Stalin has estimated murders of between 3 and 60 million people - it is currently generally said that he killed over 20 million people during his leadership.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_Stalin_kill_mor...
Was Hitler a Christian?

Yes, he was. You can't dispute that. He considered himself Christain, and it doesn't matter what anybody says more than half a century later. Adolph Hitler was Christain.

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#2417 Oct 6, 2012
This is a re-post for everyone in the forum except Khatru, who wants to remain uninformed about science in the news:

From the Chicago Tribune:

Alzheimer's research fraud case set for trial
May 11, 2012
“Two Harvard teaching hospitals and a prominent Alzheimer's disease researcher accused of using falsified data to obtain a government research grant are set to stand trial after a federal appeals court said this week that a lower court erred when it dismissed the case.

The lawsuit accuses Marilyn Albert, a former professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, and Massachusetts General Hospital (MGH), where she was conducting research, of submitting a grant application based on manipulated data.”
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-11...

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#2418 Oct 6, 2012
This is a re-post for everyone in the forum except Khatru, who wants to remain uninformed about science in the news:

From The New York Times:

A Sharp Rise in Retractions Prompts Calls for Reform
In the fall of 2010, Dr. Ferric C. Fang made an unsettling discovery. Dr. Fang, who is editor in chief of the journal Infection and Immunity, found that one of his authors had doctored several papers.

It was a new experience for him.“Prior to that time,” he said in an interview,“Infection and Immunity had only retracted nine articles over a 40-year period.”

The journal wound up retracting six of the papers from the author, Naoki Mori of the University of the Ryukyus in Japan. And it soon became clear that Infection and Immunity was hardly the only victim of Dr. Mori’s misconduct. Since then, other scientific journals have retracted two dozen of his papers, according to the watchdog blog Retraction Watch.

“Nobody had noticed the whole thing was rotten,” said Dr. Fang, who is a professor at the University of Washington School of Medicine.

Dr. Fang became curious how far the rot extended. To find out, he teamed up with a fellow editor at the journal, Dr. Arturo Casadevall of the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York. And before long they reached a troubling conclusion: not only that retractions were rising at an alarming rate, but that retractions were just a manifestation of a much more profound problem —“a symptom of a dysfunctional scientific climate,” as Dr. Fang put it.

Dr. Casadevall, now editor in chief of the journal mBio, said he feared that science had turned into a winner-take-all game with perverse incentives that lead scientists to cut corners and, in some cases, commit acts of misconduct.

“This is a tremendous threat,” he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/science/ris...

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#2419 Oct 6, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Adolph Hitler was Christain.
Hitler wasn't a Christian.

And there is no such thing as "Christain" (your word)

Was Hitler a Christian?

October 30, 1999

Dear Straight Dope:

In my numerous online debates in various chatrooms, I have learned the following: many Christians seem to think that Adolf Hitler was an atheist (or at least wasn't "Christian"). Of course I and my fellow atheists know better, as Hitler mentions his devotion to Christianity numerous times in his writings. Can you clear this up for me? Was Hitler an "honest to God" Christian, or was he simply using religion as a means of control?- Carl Stieger

The short answer is a definite "maybe" or, more precisely, "probably neither." The looooong answer is somewhat more complicated.

You are right that Hitler did mention Christianity many times in his writings. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he claimed to be a Christian. But Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.

First, let's look at what he said that seems to put him on the anti-Christian side:

According to a press release from Catholic League President, William A. Donohue (2/4/99): "Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.'"

[further down, within the text:]

“... atheists looking for a quick cheap-shot may claim Hitler was a Christian; similarly, Christians looking for a quick shot may claim he was an atheist. Know what? Hitler was a vegetarian! Oooh, those evil vegetarians! He also recommended that parents give their children milk to drink instead of beer and started the first anti-smoking campaign.(So by the "reasoning" used in these types of arguments, if you are truly anti-Hitler, you should smoke heavily and only give your baby beer!) Better watch out, though he was an oxygen-breather, too! In other words, does it really matter whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian or whatever? Just because somebody may hold a particular worldview (along with other views) doesn't make him a spokesman for that view, or even remotely representative of others who hold that view.”

continued:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699...

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#2420 Oct 6, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Was Hitler a Christian?
Yes, he was. You can't dispute that. He considered himself Christain, and it doesn't matter what anybody says more than half a century later. Adolph Hitler was Christain.
No, Hitler wasn't a Christain. He wasn't a Christian either.

On the other hand, your buddy, Stalin, was an atheist. He killed even more people than Hitler. Cry about it.

Stalin closed some 48,000 churches, promoted atheism, special atheist education in schools, so on and so on – it's all in Wikipedia (below) from a previous post:

Although raised in the Georgian Orthodox faith, Stalin was an atheist. Stalin followed the position adopted by Lenin that religion was an opiate that needed to be removed in order to construct the ideal communist society. His government promoted atheism through special atheistic education in schools, anti-religious propaganda, the antireligious work of public institutions (Society of the Godless), discriminatory laws, and a terror campaign against religious believers. By the late 1930s it had become dangerous to be publicly associated with religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

Your atheist friend is the most prolific mass murderer in history.
KJV

United States

#2421 Oct 6, 2012
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>belongs - belongs on
I thought you were the English professor of this thread?

How dare you make a typo!
KJV

United States

#2422 Oct 6, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>I often ask local godbots who want to quote me scripture before they get going, so why should anyone care what the bible says?

90% it cuts them to the quick so fast they walk away stammering and muttering to themselves. If they curse me to hell I smile and say, Then I might as well get my money's worth. And stare at them with a wicked smile.

Actually had a Christhole start crying when I did that!
They were crying for your soul!

But it really made you feel like THE MAN.

Pretty good the way you follow Satan's suggestions so venomously. Grandma would be so proud.
KJV

United States

#2424 Oct 6, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks.
NP
KJV

United States

#2425 Oct 6, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Ah. The link!

Lol
KJV

United States

#2426 Oct 6, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>KJV wrote, "Really, you think that's the same?"

Yes. Consistent, anyway.

KJV wrote, "One post 3500 to 4000 churches close down every year. The other says about 4000 new churches open ever year while about 3500 close leaving a GROWTH of 500 churches."

Yes, they do.

KJV wrote, "His post was saying last nights football score was 24 to 9 Raiders! While the finale score was 24 to 30 Packers.
Posting the half time score as if it was the finale score is as miss leading as an all out lie.
"

No. His post was the equivalent of saying that the Raiders scored 24 points. The rebuttal was "No they didn't. The Packers scored thirty. Here's the score: 30-24."
No his post was about the decline in churches, read the whole thing!

There is no decline there is however growth something his post was deliberately misrepresenting.

Going back to the football analogy he was trying to make everyone believe the Raiders won the game. Sorry Charlie they lost.
KJV

United States

#2427 Oct 6, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>You stand pat?

You mean you stand on a cowpat?

I guess the smell of shite is just too enticing for you to resist.

Anyway, it's posts like these that reveal how you're definitely a xtian.

No other religion has such warped and twisted followers.
Looks like you should fit right in!

Oh but first we would have to burn you at the stake to make sure none of Satan's little gruel's come with you.

Oh wait you're made out of wood and string, guess you won't be coming out of the fire ether.

Lol
KJV

United States

#2428 Oct 6, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>It's ok, I now know from the sick hatred of your posts that you're a xtian.

That 2000 year old zombie you worship will be proud of you.
It took you that long to figure out Langoliers? Can you say S L O W D O L T ?
KJV

United States

#2429 Oct 6, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>No, but socks are oh-so-easy to spot.
I know! I'm looking right at one!
KJV

United States

#2430 Oct 6, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Well, according to your god, Pi = 3

"It must be embarrassing for him when his own creation turns out to be smarter than he is."

It's embarrassing that you think you have this right?

Let us look at the truth of the claim you are making.

It must be embarrassing for him when his own creation turns out to be smarter than he is.
"From time to time sceptics have used these verses to ridicule the accuracy of the Bible by claiming that, if one uses the figures stated, the circumference of the vessel divided by its diameter gives 3.0, instead of the value pi π, 3.14159…).1"

"Closer examination shows there are at least two possible explanations.

The first concerns the meaning of the word cubit, and how it would have been used in measuring the vessel. A cubit was the length of a man’s forearm from the elbow to the extended fingertips. The Hebrew cubit was about 45 centimetres (18 inches). It is obvious that a man's forearm does not readily lend itself to the measurement of fractions of a forearm. In the Bible half a cubit is mentioned several times, but there is no mention of a third part of a cubit or a fourth part of a cubit, even though these fractions of ‘a third part’ and ‘a fourth part’ were used in volume and weight measurements.2 It therefore seems highly probable that any measurement of more than half a cubit would have been counted as a full cubit, and any measurement of less than half a cubit would have been rounded down to the nearest full cubit.

From 1 Kings 7:23 (‘a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about’), it appears that the circumference was measured with ‘a line’, i.e. a piece of string or cord on which the distance was marked, and this length would then have been measured off in cubits by the measurer, using his own or someone else’s forearm, or possibly a cubit-long rod. Similarly the diameter would have been marked on a line and ‘cubitized’ in the same way.

If the actual diameter was 9.65 cubits, for example, this would have been reckoned as 10 cubits. The actual circumference would then have been 30.32 cubits. This would have been reckoned as 30 cubits (9.6 cubits diameter gives 30.14 circumference, and so on). The ratio of true circumference to true diameter would then have been 30.32÷ 9.65 = 3.14, the true value for pi, even though the measured value (i.e. to the nearest cubit) was 30 ÷ 10 = 3."
KJV

United States

#2431 Oct 6, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Well, according to your god, Pi = 3

It must be embarrassing for him when his own creation turns out to be smarter than he is.
Now shut your Pi hole!

Sorry couldn't resist.
KJV

United States

#2432 Oct 6, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, I use "xtian" to annoy you.

Looks like it's working or you wouldn't have commented.

I'll just keep right on saying "xtian".

Is that ok with you, xtian?
xtian
Abbreviation of Christian.
Often used by atheist who participate in online debates and can't be bothered to keep writing "Christian". They often have too tough of a time spelling large words.

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