Atheist Schism?

Sep 20, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Religion Dispatched

Atheism has taken its lumps lately. Here on RD, in the wake of the murder of six Sikhs in Wisconsin, humanist chaplain Chris Stedman critiqued atheist bigotry and silence in the face of violence directed at religious minorities. Meanwhile, at least since last summer’s “elevatorgate”, outspoken atheist feminists describe continued, aggressive harassment from men in the atheist community.

In response some atheists have broken off and created “Atheism Plus” which aims to make space for women, people of color, and other marginalized groups within an atheist movement that's historically white and male.
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The only ones who are foolish enough to expect any degree of unity within atheism are the mostly fundamentalist religious apologists who insist on writing about it as if they actually knew something about it. But the level of healthy individualism that runs through the atheist population guarantees schism as a permanent attribute. Rejecting the deities that the rest of society worships does not bring automatic agreement on any of the many other issues that our societies face. Nor does it necessarily change the way that we relate to the believers around us.

So here we see yet another clueless article crowing about atheist schisms when the real wonder is finding enough of us who agree on a set of principles enough to enlist 1500 members for a common purpose.

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"Religion Dispatched"?

Religious dipshits is more like it. The idiot writer and the moron she quotes are falsely claiming atheists didn't speak out against the violence in Wisconsin. The dipshit speaks as if atheists supported it. Atheists spoke out, but liars like her want to pretend otherwise.

And just as stupidly, she deliberately avoids mentioning the christianity of the shooter, avoids mentioning that it was a religion-on-religion crime. Religion CAUSED the shooting. Atheism is not a religion.
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P_Smith wrote:
"Religion Dispatched"?
Religious dipshits is more like it. The idiot writer and the moron she quotes are falsely claiming atheists didn't speak out against the violence in Wisconsin. The dipshit speaks as if atheists supported it. Atheists spoke out, but liars like her want to pretend otherwise.
And just as stupidly, she deliberately avoids mentioning the christianity of the shooter, avoids mentioning that it was a religion-on-religion crime. Religion CAUSED the shooting. Atheism is not a religion.
Atheism represents common sense/logic, wheras religion stands for tribalism/devision. Religion,(man invented nonsense) is the root of most the evil on this tiny speck in the universe.

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Atheism is a simple nonbelief in god/s. Of course there is going to be diversity, in the same way that people who don't believe in leprechauns vary greatly in their thoughts and philosophies.
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A schism is a divide over dogma. Since atheists don't, by definition, subscribe to any common belief, and are only united by a disbelief in the gods proposed by the various religions, it is impossible for there to be a true 'schism'. There is no official body of atheism for the 'Atheist Plus' folks to break off from. There's no agreement among atheists on any idea other than a belief that the concept of 'god' is not proven. Ayn Rand and Karl Marx were both atheists, which ought to be just about conclusive evidence that there is no set of core beliefs shared by all atheists.

The article really demonstrates little more than the lack of critical thinking skills of the author. Atheists didn't speak out on the murders? Well, none of us are official spokespersons for atheism. So, no, no one came out and issued a press release saying, "On behalf of atheists everywhere, we deplore..." This is because in large part, we are not defined by our atheism, any more than we are defined by our lack of belief in fairies or Santa Claus. I didn't hear anyone take to the public stage to say that on behalf of all people who don't believe in fairies, they condemned the killings.

As for 'elevatorgate' being some kind of great atheist divide, is the author really so naive as to believe that there exists ANY large group of people that is so unrepresentative of humanity as a whole that within that group there are no bigots, no sexists, no criminals, etc? Are we to believe that, in contrast, churches are full of inclusion, with nary a sexist thought or deed? Sure, that's why there are no female catholic priests. That's why one of the central themese of all three desert religions is the inferiority of women.

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Amused has an excellent point. The author of the article simply makes no sense at all, but he doesn't need to because his audience doesn't want truth or sense. They want their assumptions to be confirmed in print and they want published works to upset their perceived enemies. Too bad for them on both counts.

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